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It's not only your humble opinion, it's a simple fact since Poles see how many troubles Ukraine is bringing to our country and how much it costs us. And I'm not talking about money costs only, also about how unsafe we feel in our own country. Poles were very prone to help in 2022/2023 but now over the time we're having correct perspective. We let a MILIONS in without ANY control and since then crime rate went much higher, odd things are happening everyday (arsonies, water stations poisoning, murders, cherishing nazi ideology etc.). We don't want to sponsor this situation anymore.

Ukraine attacks Poland with "under the fake flag" diversion again. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gknv8nxlzo After many previous attempts to drag us into their conflict (including sabotage, poisoning water, arsonies, threats in social medias, sending rocket which killed 2 polish people and then claiming it was Russian rocket etc.) this time Banderstate tried to derail polish train by blowing up railways. Luckily someone noticed missing piece of rails before train came and no one get hurt. German/EU representative in Poland Donald Tusk (PM in Poland) claims two Ukrainians involved in this act were recruited by Russian inteligence. LOL

"On demand" stats is another information war element.

Is there anything to be proud about ? I would be really happy if I read something like they built couple of hospitals instead. Or rebuild roads, infrastructure, increased pensions and salaries, invest into the education system, helped small businesses, improved economics by import/export goods, did some diplomatics - you name it. But no - bombs, drones and more people kidnapped from the streets and put into the war meat grinder. You warmongers never learn from history. That's why you keep doing the same mistakes - on and on.

It's always funny when you expressing your opinions without any doubts and critical thinking like you know how it is, while having absolute ZERO knowledge about the subject. For me it doesn't come as a surprise to see you constantly posting things totally opposite from the truth. If you said "Most of politicians in Poland" then I agree. Don't mistake phrase "politicians in Poland" for "polish politicians" because we have a lot of foreign agents and EU/zionists/US butlers in our government. But if it comes to average polish citizens opinions you know sh%^t about that and just spreading lies and Kiev propaganda around because it's probably your job here. We have a lot of problems since Banderstate is repeatedly trying to drag us into this conflict by lies, deceiving public opinion, media coverage manipulation, making a "fake flag" sabotage and running massive psyop not only in my country but all over the world.

I like Orban, he got balls of steel. Actually it's an apt comparision to Banderstate because: - alcoholic usually have problem to admit he failed and blame others for everything - claims he's not intoxicated while heavily under influence - always trying to rationalize his addiction and looking for excuses - doing stupid things and then complain he have to face consequences - there's no amount of alcohol that alcoholic considers as "enough" - disurbed perception of reality - his erratic behaviour affects others around - usually low moral fiber - even if he throw up (corruption scandal) he's ready to drink another shot immediately (Volodymyr "gimme more money" Zelensky) - he likes to share alcohol with his best friends (also alcoholics) - when run out of money starts to beg/borrow from others - don't mind to loose everything to feed his addiction - prone to be violent, sneaky or even dangerous - annoying for sober people Banderstate at its best.

As a Pole who knows history of my country I agree with many polish historians/experts that we could avoid this war if we have smart politicians at that time between 1st and 2nd world war. But - same as Banderstate now, we had only crooks on the other countries payroll, idiots, cowards and scoundrels who took their wealth assets and (with help of UK and France) fled the country immediately after 2nd war started in september 1939. I see so many similarities with nowadays Russia - Banderstate conflict. Villains behind the wheel always gonna bleed their own country without second thoughts by the hands of their homies only because it's a good business for them. Obviously doing it remotely while sitting in their safe, comfy holes far away from the real battlefield. Western media, EU/UK/US politicians and internet warmongering touts have their own share in this cake and are partially guilty of deaths of thousands innocent people and ruining economies of many countries by begging for money/human resources to keep this conflict going on.

I see not only banderites like those methods, Brainwashed zombie halfwits from US, UK, France and Canada took their "democratic values" to Libya, and turn thriving independent country into the total chaos.

At least 30yrs too late.

Only look. He should start from himself.

LOL ! I hope you posting from dirty trenches, under the russian fire, together with rats and dead bodies around. Otherwise you don't even know what you're talking about. No sane person wanna fight for your crooked, corrupted liars like beggar Zelensky with his companions and warmongering criminals from UK, EU and US.

Wołyń ! Pamiętamy !

What kind of debate and "facts" are you talking about ? What 'm doing here is delivering the facts and common sense against your lies, warmongering, propaganda, disinformation, manipulation and showing Ukraine as an innocent, almost a "holy" country. I feel like I'm trying to talk with blind about colours, or I wanna play chess but you can offer me a tic tac toe max. Come back when you reach a bit higher, HUMANISTIC level of thinking. If it means people are "infected" with a sober assessment of the situation, critical thinking and developing propaganda proof ability - then (even if I'm just a middle european) we happy to be sick like this. No jab needed here. Shallow minds doesn't understand higher ideas about world peace and balance built on the TRUTH, generosity, diplomacy and understanding. Meaningless and empty values for you, right ? "U" country leaders, politicians and oligarchs doesn't understand this either, this is why Ukraine is so crooked, and rotten since many decades. Cavemans know only argumentum ad baculum and this is how they want to solve all their problems. Fight, crush, kill, destroy, burn, deceive and threat others. Even if it means slow agony and suffering for the average human being in "U" country. Everything with help from mass media and internet puppets slowly injecting poisonous ideas into masses brains. Nope, I'm a Pole. Which also helps me to have a sober, wide perspective about this conflict. How could I not complain ? We took milions of them here. Gave them places to live, welfares, sometimes work, medical care etc. But still some of them are just ordinary criminals and don't know how to behave in civilized country. Drunk driving, using system loopholes to get welfares, waving black/red nazi flags in public places, murders (usually woman are the victims), plotting and organising provocations etc. It's like going to visit someone's home and sh%*t in the middle of living room. My country became "ukrainized" beyond comprehension by antipolish politicians here, who let the millions in without any control. And we - polish people already see how many problems it brings and concerning about our children future. Fictional ? Because of what ? Because you claim/think so ? LOL. Funny thing - I talked to probably 120+ ukrainians during that trip and NOT EVEN ONE of them want to continue this conflict. Heard many stories about TCK and how the men kidnapped from the street are send to the first line of battlefield without ANY preparation. No wonder why "U" country is hiring illegal mercenaries to fight there and kill others for money.

That's true. Even Hollywood in some way was a tool, a cog in rusophobic machine. People don't even realize how they were brainwashed over decades by movies. Look the pic above with Putin holding the earth with tanks and jets around. Pics like this works on people with intellectual deficit. Media told them in the beginning he want to take over Donbas, later next Ukraine, now the"re talking about Europe, pics says the whole world. What next - Pluto ? Whole galaxy maybe ?

LOL, bringing a word "logical" in that case is like trying to tell people that 2x2 is 13. I see 2 types of people here - the people who get paid by the system to spread this rusophobic propaganda and the second type are people who is lacking BASIC background knowledge about Ukraine and whats REALLY going on in this crooked country. Victims of ukrainian psyop who can't think by themselves, with minds already shaped by mass media.

True that. It should never be forgotten what ukrainians did to polish minorities in Volhyn. But nowadays Ukraine is avoiding this subject, trying to hide it and even not teaching ukrainian children about it. As a wise man said “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” True again. Those ukrainian nazi barbarians were even laughing while opening bellies of pregnant woman and then throw a "newborn" into the fire, or while impaling children on the fences. Or when disemboweling people alive. Or ... ok, enough. But still ukrainian streets are often named after creators of this grim events. And still ukrainians using nazi symbols. Still organising marches and carrying pictures od those genocidal beasts. Any of you can answer my question - WHY ?? When I hear "slava ukrainie" I literally wanna throw up because this exclamation comes from the times of violence, mass murders and inhumane behaviour. WAŁA UKRAINIE !

I can't figure out any other reason why some of you here still aggressively pushing this ukrainian, rusophobic propaganda. Even though the whole history of Ukraine and its "achievements" in the last century clearly shows this country and its leaders are not innocent saints. Most of them are nothing more than genocidals, criminals, thieves, warmongers, liars, fraudsters and comedians. Ukraine had many opportunities to make it straight since 1991, like Germans did after 2nd WW. But no. Instead kept tormenting minorities, still cherishing genocidals, choosing crooked criminals to lead country and breaking agreements (Minsk Agreements). And now by lies, erasing historical facts and manipulations trying to drag others into the conflict you created.

Then you don't think. Just keep repeating what you've been told or you've been paid for.

Then good for you. Then yu probably already know the situation with Ukraine and Russia is not that "black/white" as media and some people here are claiming. This was just a simple compilation of videos recorded in Ukraine by UKRAINIAN people. I just came back from Ukraine, I've seen TCC (teritorial recruitment center) vehicles and "officers" hunting for people in the small town outside Kyiv with my own eyes. Nothing to doubt about in this case.

"CyberLegion claims (..)" Ukrainian pro-war groups are claiming a lot of weird stuff you know. Like for example around 3yrs ago ukrainian rocket hit the polish ground and killed 2 people. Within a minutes after Comedian claimed it was a russian attack and Poland should jump in "to action" against Russia. Many people want to drag Poland into this conflict (including political traitors in Poland - because we don't call them "polish politicians" anymore here) but we are more and more aware what is really going on.

Bro, this thread is the same thing as the main mass media news. Just a massive pro ukrainian, warmongering psyop and rusophobic propaganda. Financed by the groups that only want to escalate this "war". I just came back from 8day trip to Lviv, Kyiv and surrondings and what I see (again) and hear from local ukrainian people totally doesn't correspond with narration pushed by politicians and mass media. All of them don't care about ordinary people, they only care about their own profits. Significant thing about this forum - they sit in comfy, safe, distant places and spreading lies about the situation in Ukraine. If they believe in this cause and they are so commited to it, why da hell they don't go to Ukraine to help their homies there ?

Weird question... Are you trying to tell me things like this doesn't happen in Ukraine ?

This is how conscription in "democratic" and "sovereign" Ukraine looks like. It is so sad to see those people dragged out of the streets, kidnapped from their families and daily life. Really disgusting. Everything for ideology and to keep constant money inflow from other countries.

Sounds like classical "blind leading the blind".