SamSpade

Hi, I appreciate this post was from a long time ago but did you ever go down the route of obtaining an NT Tax Code in the UK? I've had an initial chat with my UK Accountant and they think it's doable so just waiting for them to tell me what they need from me to do it, however on other threads I've read that you need a Thai Tax Residency Certificate & for this you need to have paid Tax (I file returns but have always had over paid tax owing to me). Just wondering if you manage to get an NT Code & if so, what did you need to provide from Thailand side? Many Thanks Sam

Hi Guys, promise this isn't about UK Tax Codes or Thai Tax Residency Certs :) I'd like to apply for the WP-LTR this year but my passive income for 2025 was approx £45,000 (approx. $60,000 USD) so I don't qualify on that alone. I had planned on buying a condo and going down the investment route but with the changes to tax rules this means spending this year as a Non Thai Tax Resident which I'm currently 6 weeks into & already sick of it if I'm honest so would like to take a different route if possible, even if it that means not buying a Condo. I did sell some shares & made capital gains (that I've calculated using in a LIFO, Last In First Out approach, UK uses average costs but I can't calculate this for reasons below*) which would put me well over the $80K limit alone but I believe Thailand uses a FIFO (First In First Out) approach (which would actually make my gains even higher). * I've had some of the shares for > 35 years and worked for the company so some are from Profit sharing, Performance Bonuses, Exec Share Options, Scrip dividends etc... and there has been at least 1 stock split that I can remember. I could maybe work out the CGT based on FIFO for approx £19,000 (approx $25K) of the gains on Stocks that I've only owned since 2018 but I've been an active trader in these so even this would be lot of work to do trawling though 8 years of Contract notes. If anybody has used Capital Gains to support their LTR application, can I ask which methodology (FIFO, LIFO, Avg Cost etc...) did you use to calculate it & what proof you used to show BOI the Gains (I don't pay CGT on share sales so cannot use my UK Tax Return). Many Thanks Sam Edit: I appreciate we can't make Capital Gains every year but my pension started this month so next year this added to my passive income should keep me above the $80K income limit for visa renewals etc... I do also have the neccesary health insurance in place already.

Strange at which stage in the process did it fail? I've used them a few times with no problems & did a dummy run all the way to the final payment page.

Sorry Double Post...

Below is more about UK Tax than LTR Visas so please skip if it's of no interest to you... Thanks, I do appreciate your input on this as it's given me cause to do more research & I was wrong to say you can get an NT tax code in a country that doesn't have a DTA with the UK. More from the point that UK Gov has no "Legal Mechanism" to give up the rights to tax the Pension than the content of the individual DTAs. Other than that, the DTA doesn't impact you getting an NT Tax Code (My UK Accountant has told me I can get one as a Tax Resident in Thailand) it just states how the country you're tax resident in will tax the pension. E.g. if you're Tax Resident in the UAE you can still get an NT Tax code (they have a DTA with the UK) but they don't charge Income Tax so my understanding is your pension will be Tax Free in both countries. Thailand will not tax me on the income (initially because I will not be remitting it to Thailand then from later this year will (hopefully) have my LTR) so it's my understanding that I won't pay Tax on my Pension in either country. (I do appreciate that I need to be very mindful about remitting income received before getting the LTR). I also had another thought last night, things might get more complicated as I'm spending this year Non-Tax Resident in Thailand so I can bring over the money to buy a Condo will discuss this with my UK accountant & If it does impact things I'll park the idea of getting an NT Code until 2027/28 when I will be Thai Tax Resident again. Same if I'm unable to get a Thai Tax Resident Certificate because I've never paid any tax here (I have filed returns for the past 4 years but always been owed a refund). I'll leave it here for now & maybe start a new thread on UK NT Codes once I've discussed it with my UK account (If I do, I will make a short post on here linking to the new thread). I will update on here my experience of getting/not getting a Thai Tax Resident Certificate, as discussed this may be of interest to LTR holders who need one for any reason but may struggle if there is a requirement to file a return & pay tax... Hoping to speak to Siam Legal about this when I get back in a couple of weeks. P.S. When travelling around Malaysia during Ramadan, don't book a hotel next to a Mosque! Thanks again...

Yet again, you are completely missing the point... For the final time, if you get an NT Tax code you can receive your Private Pension (and if working your Salary) Tax free... Google is your friend as I'm tired of trying to explain it to you whilst at the same time being accused (Including by you) of taking this thread of topic... Speak to these guys if you want more information... Who to ContactFor general enquiries about your tax code or if you believe you have been assigned the wrong one while living abroad, you should contact the HMRC Non-Residents Income Tax team. Telephone (from outside the UK): +44 135 535 9022 Telephone (from within the UK): 0300 200 3300 Opening Times: Monday to Friday, 8am to 6pm (UK time). Closed on weekends and UK bank holidays.

Again, the UK:TH DTA has absolutely nothing to do with getting an NT Tax code in the UK... I simply need to be Tax resident somewhere other than the UK & be Non-UK Tax Resident. How hard is that to understand?

As per my post above, you do not understand what an NT tax code is or what it means (Hint, the UK:TH DTA has absolutely nothing to do with it, I could be tax resident anywhere on the planet, including countries that do not have a DTA with the UK & still get an NT Tax Code as long as I'm Tax Resident there)... Maybe stay in your lane...

As you say you do not recieve UK Income so don't understand how it works, I do. But none of the below is of interest to LTR holders (unless maybe if they're from the UK) so please feel free to skip ahead if you're not interested... 1) I do understand the system having been on an NT Tax code whilst working in Singapore where despite working for a UK Bank & being paid in the UK, I didn't pay PAYE (Income) tax on my Salary (More accurately I did pay it but got it refunded) but filed a Tax return in Singapore to pay the tax there (The difference was something like 45% UK tax Vs 12% SG tax at that time). 2) An NT Tax code means you do not pay tax on certain UK Income (Pensions & Salary)... If you'd like to read more the UK Gov site has a wealth of information but the cliff note is... https://www.gov.uk/tax-codes/what-your-tax-code-means NT You’re not paying any tax on this income 3) UK Bank Accounts generally do not withold tax at source but you need to file the income on an SA (Self Assessment) Tax return if it goes over a certain limit, can't remember what this limit is. 4) Not asked for but as we're talking about Tax on UK income, you can file an "NRL1" to get your rental income paid tax free, this income needs to be filed on your SA return. 4) For UK Dividends you need to file the income on your SA returns if you're doing one anyway or you're a higher rate Tax payer where you may need to pay additional Tax... I have to file a return but don't have to pay additional tax as being a "Non UK Tax Resident", my Dividend income is treated as "Disregarded Income" (Google is your friend if you'd like to understand this more). 5) Anybody who sells property in the UK are charged Capital Gains Tax (CGT) on "Non-Main Residence" sales (Which in my case includes my main UK home because I've been away so long and have rented it out) but for anything else Non UK Tax Residents are not charged CGT. 6) Tax on private pensions is always withheld (I got my 1st payment days ago, would you like to see the receipt?) unless you have an NT Tax code where HMRC instructs the pension provider to not withhold tax - This is exactly what I'm trying to do but need a Thailand Tax Residency Certificate to do so. 7) It's a myth that UK State Pensions are not taxed, the reality is they are taxed but at the 0% Tax rate as this is the 1st thing that goes into your "Income Tower". So if you only recieve a State Pension, you pay no tax because the maximum state pension is below your personal allowance, if you recieve a Private pension on top of this you see the tax on your private pension... Give it a couple of years of frozen tax bands coupled with Triple Lock pension increases & without a change to the law, you will see people who only have a State Pension paying tax. 8) UK Government service pensions are always taxable in the UK (having an "NT" tax code would not exempt you from this), I would like to think that every tax agreement the UK Government has would exclude other countries from taxing these & as this covers UK Politician's pensions I expect they do, No Idea what happens with countries where the UK Government doesn't have a tax agreement. 9) The UK Government could not care less where you live or what kind of Visa you are on, the only thing they care about is are you a UK Tax Resident for tax & if not are you a resident elsewhere for Tax (If you're trying to claim an NT Tax Code). Hopefully this clarifies things & again apologies because none of the above has anything to do with LTR visas...

Really looking forward to this one, I can never get enough of Sherlock Holmes

I’’d only gone in to ask about what they needed for a passport renewal & as I had my passport where I always have my TM30 tucked into the cover, they just said I needed 2 passport photos which they took in the shop on an IPhone. I wasn’t even stood with a plain backdrop behind me, it’s amazing what they can do with Phone cameras nowadays. A couple of hours to get a new Passport is great, when I’ve used the express service in Liverpool it uses to take longer than that (used to get an appointment for before 9am & have to wait until after lunch to pick it up). TBH I would have done it in Liverpool again but for some reason the same day service wasn’t available at the time & with it seemingly being so easy (and worked out not much more expensive with Taxi/Train each way) via Thai Visa Express I just went with them.

To each his own... You mention a small (but very impactful) risk of an agent losing your passport, I could counter this with the (potentially much more impactful) risk of having an accident on one of your 2 trips to Bangkok (Or do you trust EMS more than an Agent so only have to go there once, obviously you cannot do it all in a single morning even if you lived in Bangkok). End of the day, we should all decide the risk/reward of our actions, for me I use a trustworthy agent (& pay them) & so minimise the risk of them losing/keeping my passport but you are correct, I can't eliminate the risk completely just like you cannot completely eliminte the risk having an accident whilst travelling to/from Bangkok.

Obviously the horse is working on Thai time :) Joking aside, this was new to me so I thought I'd post it, if it's been discussed before then maybe the Mods could add a link to the previous thread & close this one down.

From the "Horses Mouth" (Thai Gov Public Relations Department)... https://thailand.prd.go.th/en/content/category/detail/id/2078/iid/444048 Thailand's Immigration Bureau has launched four measures to prevent foreigners from entering the Kingdom as tourists but engaging in cybercrime, grey businesses, money laundering, gang activities, or being lured into forced work, as these activities pose serious threats to economic stability, social security, and public welfare. The four measures include: 1. Tightening the screening of 90-day visa-exempt entries repeatedly used as visa runs without returning to one's home country. Foreigners are capped at two visa runs; those with more visa runs without valid reasons will be denied entry at both international airports and border checkpoints. Since early 2025, the Immigration Bureau has refused entry to about 2,900 foreigners with similar patterns. 2. Blocking foreigners on border-area watchlists, such as in Mae Sot, Tak, areas known for scammer activity. Foreigners previously denied entry or pushed back at the Mae Sot–Myawaddy border will be denied entry again if they attempt to re-enter Thailand. 3. Tightening screening for extensions of stay by provincial immigration offices. If a visa-run pattern is detected, the Immigration Bureau will refuse the extension request or cancel the visa, followed by deportation. 4. Cracking down on foreigners who overstay in accordance with overstay regulations. These measures may result in slightly longer screening times for foreigners at international airports during peak hours, but screenings will not exceed 45 seconds per person, and waiting times will not exceed 40 minutes. To ease congestion, immigration offices at all international airports will fully staff all counters, while Thai nationals can use automatic gates for faster processing. #3 sounds worrying (If you're not on a Long Term Visa) as "Deportation" is a lot worse than having a denied extension & leaving the country voluntarily but I can only see this applying to people on an ED Visa or maybe using Back-2-Back Tourist Visas extending each time.

Hi Guys, Before the update there used to be a little arrow in the top right corner of the quoted text that would take you back to the post being quoted. Is it possible to have this reinstated only now you have to manually scroll back to the time of the post being quoted & if that's a quote from another post, you then have to then keep manually scrolling back through quotes until you get back to the original post. I know it's a minor issue but in popular threads like the "What Movies or TV Shows Are You Watching - 2026" it can be a pain scrolling through pages & pages at times... https://aseannow.com/topic/1383422-what-movies-or-tv-shows-are-you-watching-2026/page/11/#findComment-20395277 I'm sure you have other more important things to get on with but would appreciate it if you could look into this. Thx SS

Last episode of what? Joking aside, it's a pain to have to scroll back through the messages to find out what TV Series/Movie somebody was posting about so perhaps it would be good idea if we could all include the name of the Movie/Series we're replying about. [Just a suggestion & certainly not a critisism]. I'll raise it with the forum support desk to see if we can get the "Arrow" back that used to take you to the post that is being quoted.

There's already a thread on this running herehttps://aseannow.com/topic/1388342-upcoming-changes-to-wise-operations-in-thailand/

I haven’t received this msg from Wise, Is your registered address in Thailand? I can’t see the same changes applying to my Wise account (registered in Singapore & now listed as being in the UK). Having said that I might switch to a Thai account as I use Revolut for everything nowadays so might be handy to be able to send THB outside of Thailand.

Thanks for the reply, the NT Code is specifically for Employee or Pensions Income & instructs your Employer/Pension provider not to withhold PAYE tax so wouldn't cover any other UK Income (E.g. Rental Income, which you can file an NRL1 form so your estate agent doesn't withhold tax, but needs to be accounted for on your Self Assessment form). I'm surprised you've had to pay Capital Gains Tax on the sale of shares (Property I can understand), I've never had WHT for that, it's always been settled via Tax Returns (though since becoming Non UK Tax Resident in 2007/2008 I don't pay any CGT on share sales). But, this is the LTR thread so I shouldn't get too deep into that. Thanks again for your input :)

Curious, if he applies for a 30 day extension but gets rejected, would he still get the 7 Day extension like you would if you had a Non-IMM O Visa and would this run from the end of the 30 days giving him the time he would need. Though, as mentioned, his biggest challange is likely to be over eager airline check-in staff.

Only because that link was to the UK Thai Embassy, you can normally get an SETV from the Thai Embassy of the country you're currently in. Perhaps if you mention the country you're currently in somebody can give you country specific Tips/Information about getting an SETV from there. E.g. Here's the info for getting one in Vietnam... Key Details for SETV in Vietnam Method: Apply online at the official Thai E-Visa portal, rather than in person. Location Requirement: You must be physically present in Vietnam when submitting the application to upload your Vietnamese arrival stamp. Jurisdiction: If you enter Vietnam via Ho Chi Minh City (HCMC), you should apply through the HCMC Consulate, which is generally stricter, while the Hanoi Embassy may be faster. Required Documents: Passport (valid for at least 6 months). Vietnamese visa or entry stamp. Flight tickets to Thailand. Proof of accommodation (hotel booking). Financial proof (bank statement showing roughly 10,000-20,000 THB).

Good question, I was assuming some investment income could be used (was thinking more like interest on Bonds than dividends) but it sounds like from your experience it can't. I'm going to go to see Siam Legal (Either in March when I get back from this holiday or in May when I get back from the UK) about assistance with a Condo purchase so will ask them then. I do know you can have rental income on any (or no Visa) which if >30K pa should be reported/taxed so that would count - Maybe rent the condo to a friend for 1 month :)

Both UK State Pensions and UK Private pensions are taxable (Withheld at source in the case of Private Pensions) in the UK & if you remit them to Thailand (& don't have an LTR) you have to declare them but can get credits against tax already paid in the UK (Easier said than done as the current online filing doesn't have anywhere you can claim the credits + you need to mess about calculating split year returns due to the difference in Tax cycles, this is one reason to use an accountant who's versed in doing this). By getting an NT Tax code you can get the Pensions paid to you tax free in the UK & if you have an LTR (Or don't remit the monies) then you won't pay Tax on them in Thailand either, effectively paying no tax on your pensions anywhere. It is related to the LTR as my question was if an LTR Holder doesn't file a Tax Return then how can they get a Tax Residency Certificate (E.g. Is this something the BOI can help with OR is it simply a case of having to file a return). This is a bit worrying as I've always been owed Tax on Withheld interest so have never had to pay anything, might have to rethink plans about investments and generate > 30K Domestic Income to generate a small amount of tax due. Edit: In another thread, BM @alanrchase mentioned that he has a UK NT code so maybe he'd care to comment on whether he receives his UK Pensions Tax Free, certainly my UK accountant (who's handling the application for me) says I will. Sorry, now we really have gone of the subject of LTRs, again my question was purely about getting a TRC as an LTR holder if you don't file a return so will refrain from posting anything more about why I want one or the UK Tax side of things.

Following up from the early posts about Expat Tax Thailand, here's a new video on the LTR exemptions... I've queued it up to where they talk about the implications of not filing...

Check the network setting on your box (I completely switch WIFI off on mine) & make sure the router port you're trying to use is working by plugging a network cable into it & connect your laptop / PC.