parryhandy

Far be it from me to point out that he was a policeman, who by dint of "hard work" rose to the heady heights of wealth he has achieved, with no one questionning his astounding wealth.

Far be it from me also to point out, that he rode a tide of grassroots support saying he was for the poor, and was voted in by those same "smelly masses" at 300 baht per vote.

yes i find it incredible that noone ever mentions this . the fact that in a country like thailand or anywhere for that matter it is impossible to become that wealthy that quickly without a lot of skeletons.

did he really say "smelly masses" ? doesnt suprise me.do the majority of thais like this name given to them ? why is he so "popular"?

as for vote payment it does go on. my wife was paid 40 baht to vote for a candidate in a local election.its hardly suprising when they are treated with contempt afterwards really.

as for the post subject these children will only have access to bias govn controlled media so its not suprising.just look at thai tv.absolute trash.where are the cutting documentries , political debates,interviews etc.. they dont exsist. just soaps with identical storylines and gameshows.oh and the odd bit of sport thrown in.

if me and my friends were the powerful wealthy rulers of a country and we had invested money in the ruthless pursuit of power in that country the only thing on the agenda is getting our return on the investment.so how do we do this ?

we wack up the budget which is spent on industries we own and loan people easy money knowing full well that money will come back to us "clean". everything else is just smoke and mirrors.if the economy goes tits up so what we are still rich and furthermore can have the pick of anything decent left in  the aftermath that we dont already own.win win situation.

as for foreigners you have your uses but this is our playground.

over simplistic but you get my gist.

How about you know you've been in the west too long when:

You sue Mcdonald's for money when the HOT coffee YOU ORDERED scalds your tongue(aren't the thais the only people who extorts money?no?)

You rudely push some asian people away who are in your way in the streets and show that <deleted>... expression on your face

You think that people who don't speak english are stupid

You become so fussy and complain about the poor condition of the pavements in T'land(I didn't realize that it was something until I read these sites.The complainers must have been really old folks)

You say it is racism whenever things are not going your way(it would've been a joke if I told my friends here in HK that white people are being racially discriminated by asians)

You blame the government of an asian country for trying to stop you from disrespectfully fxxking their women(sorry for being rude)

You fantasize yourself being Brat Pitt and do not pay in the morning when the bar girl leaves and shamelessly feel honoured enough to tell everyone(what a bunch of bastards!do you know how it feels to have to ask for the money after selling one's body?ever bothered to think?I hope these money will have to go to somebody else.....the doctors!)

You think of which girl to choose to shag tonight but you get pissed off when the chosen girl is thinking of which customer to choose

You think you are the saviour doing charity while having long term realtionship with a thai bar girl

You think that all thai bar girls are evil spirits and worth nothing when this bar girl does not appreciate your generosity

You become so outspoken and confident enough to tell people; this is wrong! that is wrong! mine is right! mine is correct! in someone else's country(usually asian)

You do not realize how sickening it is to shamelessly go into details on the internet about the bed olympics with a bar girl

You complain about the dual price in thailand

(what's wrong with that?they're not asking just whites, or blacks, or brits or americans to pay more. they're just asking non-thais to pay more.  can you think that you are paying the normal prices and the thais are getting a discount?it is their country!)

You find chunks of meat, burgers and french fries delicious

(I always nearly starve to death when I have holidays in faranglands)

You think who the #### is this guy and how dare you to be critical of us farangs

or maybe this topic should be we know you are from the west when:

cant help myself i will address your remarks.

1. has someone tried this in thailand ? not read about that myself.youll find most people in the west find this ridiculous but we do have trading standards and rights which

sometimes go to far.also  maybe the waitress tripped while serving the coffee thus scalding that person , disfiguring them for life and ensuring huge medical costs. ? without knowing the details one musnt prejudge.

2.rude people everywhere not just westerners.

3.born out of frustration but only applies to some westerners.

4.so thais themselves are quite happy to pay contractors to do shoddy work are they and never complain ? its called freedom of speech. nothing to stop you doing the same in the west.

5.never accused anybody of racisim myself ?

6.somebody said that did they ? regardless up to the women who they <deleted>.

7.tossers everywhere. what about the thai policemen who raided chumits place recently and arrested the girls , but had sex with them first. do you think they paid them ? lol

8.cant always get what you want.

9.some people yes most people no.

10.good and bad people everywhere.what do thai men think of bar girls ? after all thai prostitution for thais is far bigger than farang based prostitution.

11.westerners have basic human rights something which thai people do not and cannot fully understand , yet.so it is very hard sometimes to adapt.westerners more so americans are generally outspoken and confident  in their nature.it is very hard to succeed at anything in the west without being .

12.agree it is sickening but if people want to do that it is up to them. obviously it should not be done on public sites like this , but that is for the moderators to stop.

13.as a thai you would not expect to go to the west and be charged more than westerners .anyway it would be illegal in the west.tourism is the one of the main sources of income in thailand and dual pricing is something which alot of westerners will not put up with. up to you if you want to listen or not.

14.my misses always drags me to macdonalds cause she thinks i like it. ok its nice to have some western trashy food now and again but it certainly aint delecious.

15.without being more specific about the guy and  nature of the criticism cannot answer.

all the best  

I just came back to Thailand from the US on Thai Airways and arrived a couple days ago. After many flights with United, China, Korean etc. i decided to try Thai Airways. The crew was 100% courtious and polite.

Flew business class and on the bus from the LAX terminal building to the actual plane I spotted Paradorn with his tennis rackets on his shoulders. He of course was flying first class. After asking if the stewardess could get me an autograph, she came back with 2 for me a few hours later. Very cool.

Then in the airport, there he was waiting for his luggage to come rolling out, so I thanked him for the autographs and got some pictures. Talked for awhile with him as luckily the bags took about 20 minutes to come out, so thank you Thai Airways for being slow in that department. Then after going through customs the press attacked him.

yes he got something like 3 million baht free flying hours with thai airways after his first victory on the tour last season. i really do envy your there he is one guy i would love to meet.a credit to thailand and all tennis players hence not only winning his first tournement last seaon but also collecting the most improved player award and the good sportsman award too.top bloke.

The complaintents are searching for  Nirvava in which to continue with lazy and unproductive lives. Countried that are making real efforts at "advancing" themselves don't need or want you. It's as simple as that and if the truth hurts then too bad.

We won our "negotiation" in California because we ARE productive and we DO offer a lot. But we didn't whine. We just "walked". You should do the same and if they decide to change things to your liking then you'll find you were right. And if not then you'll find you were wrong.

Good idea to get a job in the meantime.

Mr Vietnam  

so what about the waterlilly grower? is he lazy and unproductive? he hes already expressed fears about the new criteria.

and as for the rest well! is it possible for you to post anything without the need to mention your "sucess and wealth"information i find utterly boring . YAWN.

The guy ripping my house apart right now doing renovations is from England. He had to come up with over $100,000.00 in order to get a green card here. Bought a US small business for 100 grand and is now a millionaire here. I can mention quite a few Brits who have done this.

comparing thailand to america is ludicrous

Hahahaha that's a laugh. Someone who doesn't want to be productive enough to earn ( on his own) a thousand bucks a month is going to accuse the Thai Government of creating unnecessary stress for people?

Wrong. That's "your" commitment or should be.

no your wrong when the average legal wage is less than 4000 baht

I think it was uncouth and insulting to talk about foreigners in terms of their 'quality'. Why not just state the financial requirement and explain it in terms of minimising the risk to Thailand of foreigners becoming burdens on the country rather than benefits?

This wasn't the only reason given. The other was that the government was worried foreigners would marry a Thai just to get residence. Foreigners who do such things don't sound like ''quality'' people to me.

Oh you better not start wishful thinking on that one. Vietnam is definitely not interested in a bunch of people trying to live as some falangs are in Thailand.

If someone has something to offer, definitely yes. A backpacker, low budget dreamer, definitely no.

Well put.

Not one poster ever talked of the possibility of any happening to him or his family that might need a little nest egg to carry them through. Maybe the self sustaining  grower can do his own quad bypass.

I agree. I suspect it's because some of the westerners don't have anything saved. They came here to escape reality after their previous lives fell apart, but rather than attempt to build anew they simply opted out.

I recall a poster here saying that working wasn't everything and that some people can leave ''harmless'' lives raising crops on a farm or whatever and that the rest of us should ditch our capitalist prejudices and smell the coffee (or something).

If it can all go so horribly wrong when the people in charge can demand evidence that you're worth just B40,000 a month then maybe your dreams are built on sand.

We all make choices. Maybe yours cost too much.

Then become productive and make some money. It's the best therapy I know.

That's asking too much of these guys. They came here to escape all that!

at first i thought you were a wind up merchant and i admit i was wrong. it has suddenly dawned on me what your problem is. YOUR JEALOUS.you just cant stand it that other farangs have found their ideal life and do not need loads of money to do it.whereas you have probably had to become a wage slave to get what you think you want.

However, I trust that some special arrangements will be made for teachers at language schools and other educational insititutions? The Kingdom greatly benefits from their services.

yes the special arrangements are unless these schools pay you between 50 - 60000 baht a month depending where your from they are not allowed to employ you.and they will check this with tax records if need be.so the cost of this beneficial service has just been hiked.

I'm not into name-calling. However, there's a few things I could say about ''non-complaints'' which wouldn't please you either. I assume you're one?

no i am a legally staying married man with children and law abiding as well.

what rankles me is the money aspect. where i come from in england it does not matter how much money you have. if you wanted respect you earnt it , money or no money.do you really think these laws will effect the people they are targetting , the criminals and terrorists ? of course not.

and as for the dregs comment well over 70 percent of the population of thailand earn less than 5000 baht a month legally i.e without the black economy.are all these people dregs then ?

opalhort.

id just like to say what a wonderful read that was and i sincerely hope things turn out ok for you.

I understand he wants less farangs and wants the Thais to control more the economy. Not a bad thing. Why ? if most businesses were owned by farangs, prices would be a lot higher (because those expats living expenses are quite high you know, somebody have to pay for it) and the Thais would even be poorer.

wrong im afraid. answer this question and you will have my reason.

why does a small can of chang cost  20 baht ? the same if not more expensive than the equivalent beer in some western countries.bear in mind tax is low as is production and running costs to make it.

You have had your say Bob. I disagree totally. I am not privy to Thai's employment policies so comment by me would be pure speculation ( like your opinion ). A lengthy thread leading nowhere is not a lot of use. I confess to having a gutful of malcontent farangs and anti Thai sentiments; hence my suggestion that the disgruntled  head for other horizons.

id just like to say i like this thread and know exactly where bob is comimg from.its not about being malcontent at all.for those of us who have thai relatives, friends and are part of the grass roots soceity in thailand you cannot (if your human) help being sickened by some of the injustices that go on around you.i personally have had a gutful of the phrase TIT .we have rights in the west and thailand wants to enjoy the benefits of the developing world (ie their money) without giving its people these rights. this is wrong. it not only gives them an unfair business advantage but pats them on the back for the contempt it sometimes treats its own people with.you are a doctor.just imagining studying and working hard for years on little or no money to find you cannot ever get a job for the country you are a national of because you are of the wrong class.

regardless market forces will decide in the end but people with money and a conscience should try to make decisions , where they can,based more on these sort of criteria (all other things being equal) to help .

bob i applaud you.

If we don't qualify for one-year visa extensions in-country, we still can live here with a visa run every year, and a border run every 90 days *).

george wake up i think youll find these alternatives will be limited  thats the whole point of them to stop that.i would say that they will let you do so many then say right you must leave for say 3 months mimimum. unless you buy the prevalige card then you can do what you want.

i currently get a married person with child visa 90days.from what i read into it these wont even exsist or if they do i wont be able too continuously renew them.tell me im wrong please.

Parry i feel for you.

Is it not possible to try to make some arrangements like you going to work in your country for say half a year and staying with your family the other half, many Thai guys work overseas where they can get better money, they have to leave thier families for a while usually 2 years at a time, but they go for the money. I dont know your situation, i just feel a bit sorry for you, anyway dont worry about it too much, the law is not in yet, things change, maybe your situation will change.

Dont feel so bad about things, always a solution somewhere.

dont worry about me ill survive.its the thai people i feel for who have nothing. yes i am not stupid and realize one day i will have to work overseas anyway but this should be a descision me and my wife make when needed not because we are forced too.

mrentoul i think your only looking at this from a foreign perspective . what about my wifes rights.she has married me and we have a family and this is not a problem legally only to be told that it is now unless you are financially secure by western standards.i know i have no vote or rights etc but she does.

What is the Thai government getting out of the deal?

well i think youve hit the nail on the head there.the diferent mentality between western govns and thai leaders.the thai govn serves its own self interests and what effects it has on its people it is indifferent to at best.

a friend in the village has a house in engalnd but doesnt wish to move his family there. hes just used the last of his savings to build a house here. he bought the franchise for a school shop for his wife and this earns them enough to live on but not 40000 a month.hes shafted now all his dreams are in tatters same as mine.