Alan Zweibel

You have no answer for the fact that it has halved the rate of the uninsured in half. And it would have been a lot more if states like Florida and Texas accepted the Medicaid extension. In fact, every red state that held a referendum on it approved it. And Republican politicians even in red leaning districts are running scared because of the failure to extend the current version of the ACA. It's a popular program.

Really? That's how the CBO works? You know why it's called the Congressional Budget Office and not the Executive Budget Office or the The Presidential Budget Office?

But I don't offer personal testimony as evidence.

The number of uninsured has been cut in half. And the plan as originally proposed would have cut the deficits. The CBO backed him up on that.

Why should I believe the claim of an anonymous person with a demonstrable political animus? Come back when you've got actual objectively certifiable evidence. What you're offering here is worthless.

That there is nothing inherent in the ACA that makes it prohibitively expensive. That the same people who make that claim, make tax cuts that will deprive the government of much more revenue. What's more, that starting with George Bush, decisions were made that would inevitably increase the deficit. And the same people who made these decisions invoke lack of funds to improve health care.

We now have two additional significant details. First, in the most recently proposed indictment, the Trump Justice Department proposed a new felony count of making a false statement to a financial institution (statutorily punishable by up to 30 years’ imprisonment). Second, the Trump DOJ abandoned the main theory of prosecution on which the original indictment had been based — to wit, that James had falsely represented that she would not use the modest Norfolk home at issue as a rental property and had then rented it. https://archive.ph/sz9F6#selection-619.0-619.523 In other words, the claim espoused by so many MAGA supporters that James claimed that she would use the home as her primary residence or that she had violated the terms by renting it was just a load of BS.

Over the next ten years Trump's tax cuts are projected to cost the Federal Govt at least 4.5 trillion dollars. Obamacare with the Biden subsidies is projected to cost about 1.4 trillion over the next 10 years.

So what was the point of this exactly? "If cost was of no concern the world would be a wonderful place 🙂 All the wonderful things we could do if nobody paid for them..."

No.

So, are you claiming that universal healthcare is an impossible dream?

Yes, there should have been a Medicare option. But given unanimous Republican opposition, so far not possible. Sooner or later it will happen as cost continue to outpace inflation. Anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 of the cost of American health care costs have to do with the fact of the multiplicity of private insurers and all the bureaucracy it takes to administer that.

What do you think that the goal of Obamacare was? As I understand it, it was to get insurance to those who couldn't afford insurance in the marketplace. And, at that, it has succeeded quite well.

It refers to what you offered that was relevant to the issue. And since you made it personal, it amounts to nothing. Try to keep in mind that in this forum the issues aren't the members. And as for arrogance, I may say harsh things about what asean members write, but not about them personally. That's a distinction you might do well to ponder.

And another infallible sign of vacuity is the attempt to make it personal. You've got nothing.

Well, for one thing, the average citizen is anonymous here. For another, there's a lot more latitude in general for people to let loose among friends or in the privacy of their own home than there is on the job.

Every time someone asks a question and then responds to it themselves, you know they're trying to sell cr#p.

It started with Reagan but there's a huge difference between them and Trump. They exploited the office after their term was over. Trump is trading on it while he's occupying the office.

There was a proposal to make younger Americans eligible for Medicare but Joe Lieberman, the Dino senator from Connecticut, voted against it. Oddly enough, his wife had a high paying job working for a health insurer. There are later proposals as well.

I think you're being very unfair to angryguy, He has cited the highly respected he-didn't-seem-proud-to-be-an-American index. You got a problem with that?

What do you mean by failure? The rate of the uninsured dropped from 16.3% just before the advent of Obamacare to 8% now.

What are you on about? Obamacare on a total cost per capita basis actually actually comes to slightly less than the total cost of insurance offered by employers. https://www.kff.org/health-costs/how-aca-marketplace-costs-compare-to-employer-sponsored-health-insurance/?utm_source=chatgpt.com And before Obamacare was lunched, what country had the highest medical costs per capita in the world? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/health-expenditure-and-financing-per-capita?utm_source=chatgpt.com

You've linked to the exact same article I linked to. It doesn't say what you think it does. I used the archive.today link because direct access to the NY Times is blocked by a pay wall.

Since leaving office in 2021, former President Donald J. Trump has spent more than $100 million on lawyers and other costs related to fending off various investigations, indictments and his coming criminal trials, according to a New York Times review of federal records. The remarkable sum means that Mr. Trump has averaged more than $90,000 a day in legal-related costs for more than three years — none of it paid for with his own money. Instead, the former president has relied almost entirely on donations made in an attempt to fight the results of the 2020 election. https://archive.ph/DwGJp

Clearly the one with mental problems is Biden and not the 79 year old party who authorized this juvenile taunt.