FrankieGoesToHolly

In the Book of Cameroni: Thou can pick up women thirty years younger than yourself and they will lovest you like no other. Choose one who usually takes money from her partners, who are forty years older, only to cheat on them and then move on to the next victim partner. Then massageth your ego with the fact that you are ten years younger than her usual victims partners. Payest her a salary, but DO NOT link it with the fact that the 24 year old is perfectly okay with having sex with obese and decrepit old men for even less money... Solace yourself by telling yourself that you are the one. Therest spake the Book of Cameroni.

Utter madness...you imagining that you know what she is thinking. You are basing your actions on what you think that she might be thinking. Why not just let her BE?

Don't. At the moment, whatever we tell you seems totally crazy. That's okay. It's just the state you are in. We are teaching you how to learn to calm down. Listen to what we are telling you and you'll have a closer relationship with this girl.....but that is what you are really scared of here, isn't it? You are in a total panic. When you are in a panic, you can make rash decisions, that can change the course of your life. If you want to have a better relationship with this girl, let it go. Do some meditation or whatever to calm yourself. If you love someone...set them free. If they want to stay with you, they will. Not everyone wants to live like a bird in a cage. Does anyone? Think about it... Set her free and love her anyway.

So what if she ran away and had revenge sex? What are you going to do about it? Nothing. Stop wasting time with all this noise. If you were going to leave, you would have already done so. Better to not think bad at all, if you are going to try to make a go of it. Just get over it. You made a mistake. She made a mistake. Don't live in the past. See how you go if you just get back in the groove now.

It's how you live that matters.

No problems at all. We share our perspectives as honestly as possible. If someone chooses to deceive, eventually people will steer away from them and stick with the people who will tell you the truth no matter what. You don't need to be perfect, you just need to tell your truth and learn to accept criticism gracefully. Look how 'harsh' I am with @Cameroni . Is it 'personal'? Absolutely. It's also absolutely not. The paradox. Our job is to use the information to guide us. We all need each other, no matter what one might wish to believe. No man is an island... @Cameroni is also learning as he goes along. No shame in that. The shame is thinking that you are the finished object, with nothing more left to learn.

You think the other old guys don't do the same? Are you an idiot? That's all they have. The young guys pay them no attention at all. They actually need to behave if they want a young and attractive guy. Did that not occur to you at all, Mr Egotist? 😊 That's why she had plastic surgery. Not confident in her looks, but can attract the old guys. You aren't her dad. Just focus on improving yourself and the overall relationship. Bugging her about the truth isn't the way. We all know that she is lying. Count yourself licky that you have any interest at all. You aren't 'all that'.

I agree. But @Cameroni is still basking in the glow of his own ego, than actually listening to the woman.

What, you mean like you are hurt by thinking that she's with someone else? Is that love or is that ego? Think about it for a moment... the rollercoaster of emotions, is all yours. She already told you that she didn't want to be tied down. She already told you that she loves sex and money. Sure you confirmed that all men are dogs and so now she's just continuing along her path. You might be able to join her again, if you stop trying to be a controlling arse. Don't ruin it with your stupid ego and uncontrollable, emotions. Let it go for now and just be nice. She's not your girlfriend. You just had a fling. Keep that and work on making it even better the next time. Give her something to miss, rather than clinging on to her like a crying baby.

Insecure egotist...

Pathos...

I don't think many people here think that...even though in real life I am. That's what matters. Again, listen to what your brothers are telling you. Let it go or let her go. If you want to know if she really loves you...don't give her money. Are you man enough?

You are just deluding yourself. Did she stay with you for free? She did not. You had to pay her. I didn't need to pay anyone. How is that? If that is a girlfriend to you, then that's quite sad. Learn how to attract people without flashing the cash. Work on that with her. See how it goes.

You really are writing a load... You run your relationships like equations or if you are at work. Don't DECIDE anything. Just be nice. It's your EGO that is hurting you. You built yourself up thinking that you were the stud of the moment and the thought of someone else substituted in your place is killing you. You think the worst and so you behave in the worst way. She might be working, but she may also have seen you as a potential long term partner. Both can be true and she might still be 'decent'. Not to me, but you already crossed a line picking up twenty four year old women and coercing them with money. Please stop expecting the perfect angel, you twit. She's going to have baggage. Make her examine her conscience and her life by showing her that life with you is better than lying and hiding. So get back to being fun. Drop the requirement for proof for right now. it won't change anything other than to pile more pressure on her.

You are an idiot 😊 Stop looking for the perfect woman and work with what you have. You'll feel worse if you don't see her again and then you'll blame yourself for pushing her away with your ridiculous jealousy. No normal twenty four year old is going to hook up with you. She has issues. Stop thinking that you are her saviour and only if she would confess, everything would be okay. You are just ridiculously full of yourself and terribly insecure at the same time. Leave it alone! Change tack COMPLETELY. Focus on nice things, enjoy the time and take your time to decide if you can afford to go all in. Get to know the real woman, you idiot. 😊 Rather than your childish fantasy. Stop trying to trip her up. She obviously doesn't want to tell you now. Let it go or let her go.

Because she's not your girlfriend... why doesn't this sink into your skull? Girlfriend is just a fantasy of your own creation. It is what it is, rather than what you want it to be. Work with what you actually HAVE and improve on it. Improve what you have with her. Stop pushing her to tell the truth. You won't like the truth. Instead, focus on what you like about her and she will focus on what she likes about you.

Forget about whether she is telling the truth. Why does it matter anyway? The reality is the reality. If she's a liar, she not suddenly going to become an angel because you say so. Enjoy what she has to offer and avoid the toxic parts. Maybe she'll modify her behaviour over time if she trusts you. But stop trying to get her to send evidence. Get back to the relationship. Create a NICE atmosphere, even if you don't believe her. If she does the same for you, then what does the 'truth' matter? She made you happy, but you do not own her. Remember that. Protect yourself by all means. Insist on a check up, because that is reasonable. But don't make a huge drama over it. Assume your girl lives in a grey area. Doing what she needs to do, but underneath is still human.

It sounds a bit pathetic to be honest. Gurus? Really? You are in your fifties and you don't know how to behave? Which one of you is the adult in the room? You. Stop acting like an idiot and shape the relationship. You lead. Get her to like and appreciate you as a person, as her better half. Stop acting like a dad or even a lovesick puppy. Become funny again.

No. Just no. Hasn't occurred in ANY of my relationships. Younger or older. Even Thai girls. They got a job. Whoever has the most money can bear more of the weight, but all my relationships were based on personality and not MONEY nor PROVIDING. That is just what the people who think that will say...of course. But there are others who have normal, balanced relationships where neither depends financially on the other, but will always help and support in all ways where necessary.

35,000 baht is nothing. My Thai friend has millions going through hers. That's a bit more stable. 35k and not knowing where the next monies are coming from, is virtually nothing. She needs stability, not some idiot player. Be nice and allow her to feel that you will not punish her if she eventually tells you the truth. Create an environment where the truth is normal.

Because you are forcing her to confess, when she is not ready for that. She's not ready to open her heart to you. Are you completely stupid? Change tack and be nice to her. If you try to force it, she won't like you. Just...decide to do it. Knowing that she isn't telling you the full truth. Prepare for the worst, but behave the best. You are the man, show her how to do it. Otherwise she will just rely on what she knows.

She is WORKING. She doesn't have money to do nothing.

That is all a fantasy that you have concocted in your own mind. Thos of us that haven't had sex with her, can see a different pattern entirely. Your ego refuses to accept the more likely explanation. You have just reinforced her belief that all men are dogs. The trust, is gone. If you want her to trust you, then you have to trust her. Stop asking questions and stop expecting her to reassure you. You don't own her. Be happy that she meets with you at all and be nice to her. If you want to act like a dad, then do that with your own daughters. For sure she is lying and she might have many reasons for that. But the point of a relationship is to improve the lives of each other. She obviously makes you feel good and she has family to support. So instead of making both of you miserable and stressed, change tack. Be nice and be normal. Once she can relax with you again, she might confess everything. Don't keep pushing. Make it a nice relationship again.

This seems to me, a kind of madness. You "demand" to see the menu... That's a father/daughter relationship. It's not normal. That's coercion and threats. She's not doing it out of love, but doing it to keep a hold on something possibly stable, in an unstable world. Hey...I just say what I see. Maybe these father/daughter relationships abound. But for me, having sex with a daughter is off the menu. It's not a healthy relationship. Don't you understand that people do what they want to do. Trying to change her, isn't going to work. Your probing, when she doesn't want to tell you, isn't doing either of you any good. Either enjoy the illusion or get out...

I believe Cam's story. Why? Because he has told us that it is the truth. That is the ability to trust. I can see that you struggle with that and that shows in your responses, not just in this thread. You think that my observations are against you, but they are not. I just point out what I see. Sometimes it's hard for people to accept, but I'm not going to start lying, as that just creates confusion. So, I take his word for it and respond accordingly. Getting mad...is mad. Get it? Don't keep making yourself mad. Choose to believe and choose to trust. Life is better that way. I say only what I see. Be genuine and you won't ever be alone.