mattias33

Angelas in mae nam have some good bread. Not sure if it´s your style.

It's been said many times before, about when peoples move around the world and change things as they go. The Samui people for example are descendants of fishermen from Hainan (China). Taksin is I believe half as least Chinese. Issan are originally Laos people, you can go on forever. Times change, lives change. Samui is not and never has been a desert island. The coconut palms which cover a great deal of the island, were originally planted by man. Coconut palms in their natural state grow on coastal areas. Most of the indigenous trees/ vegetation, which held the soil together were cut down and destroyed many years before we arrived on the island. Destroying coconut palms to make way for buildings is not a problem, the damage was done many years ago.

As said, when people roam the planet they take their heritage with them.

Mosques, for example, don't really belong in England. They are for the Muslim peoples. As are the Chinese temples all over the world. As are the catholic churches etc. We can go on forever on this topic...................

Alot of new information. At least for me..... .

I posted something about this a few years ago and got flamed for it. It was an interview with an old Samui resident who talked about what had happened to his home.

My how times change.

My onkle got beat up by his mom (my grandmother) for wearing the same "long hair" as the beatles! Times do change and it goes fast. But i tell you what, if you still happen to have that interview, post it. In this thread or somewhere else. I for one would love to read it. When was it made then?

Guys, i sat today, watching traffic passing buy, and the traffic that passed buy was brand new fortuners, vigos, and triton. Combined with the very old and worn pickups with something workrelated loaded on them. And a few motorbikes with sidecars and a bunch of smiling thaiboys. And offcourse the general scooters. Farangs and thais.

Now, a bit on the bottle, i came to the following thought. I myself is grown up countryside. Pretty much the same time i was born, my dad bought a residensy, consisting of approx. 10 rai of land. Very private. A little desert. We have the woods, a lake and privasy in our family land. In the whole area there is only 5 families living. The nearest village with Swedish versions of tescos and bigc and macro, are within 5 km drive, so it is not superdesert. But nature is there and we all love the place. If i were to ask somebody of my family or myself the following question: lets say 396 turkich* people move to this area, because its so nice and unspoiled. Within 2 years they start covering things from home. They start opening up a few turkich shops, and falafel/kebab kiosks. Would me or anybody in that area approve of that? No f....ing way!

So, point of the thread, the local man, born 30 years ago in samui, what does he think of the development we all bring with us? One point would off course be that we brought good hospitals, schools and so on to this place. But another serious point being that alot of foreigners dont want to live at home. They want to move to a totaly desert island and bring everything from back home with them to the new place. Tesco, bigc, starbucks, mcdonalds and so on. So now we as foreigners can live very comfortable on this once so desert and close to nature island. But what about the guy that was born here? How do they look at us and the development we brought? Did we do it only for our own benefit or do they also like it, (not only talking about the ones that sold family land for shitloads of money to dreaming farangs)?

Or did we destroy yet another natureclose spot on the planet earth to make it our dream?

Part of me think that many of the locals were happy as it was. What you think?

*The turkish example does not mean anything rasists. It was just the first thing that popped in my head were i could name some food-dishes. Can be changed into Italians with pastas or mexicans with nachos.

Yep, one BIG OLD SNAKE! Never fear a Big Snake, in most cases you will see it and keep your SPACE, it the little rascals that you can't see in time and might get a NASTY Bite

If i ever stepped into a king cobra i´m not sure i take your world for it. A bite from those are pretty deadly!

Or as they say in the cobra sho in the crocodile farm "no reason to worry, Bkk hospital have serum". :jerk:

When I lived in Lamai I always got fresher fish in the market than I ever got at Tesco.

Tesco is ok for package and canned food, but fresh food ? Never.

Nowadays i think bigc has the freshest fishdepartment of the grosseri shops. The fish department in Macro scare me by the rutten smell. (Some of that ight come from the onions right next to the fish, i dont think they ever exchanged them since they opened).

The freshest fish would without any doubt be banrak fishmarket, since it is still alive and kicking til you buy it. Now, thats what i call fresh! .

The swimming pool for local kids sounds like a very good idea.

I hope they will have swimming lessons. ( maybe I can bring my wife )

Are you married to a local kid? .

Here they are Mattias, we used to get MADE to wear them on Sat/Sun morning when i was young in London..

Used to do some stupid damage & we shouldn't have worn them but if it was the choice of wearing them or not playing...................

Thx for putting them back in the closet.

So, you were a hooligan....

I´m having second thoughts about this game. I´ll go along way for the one month of beers, but still....

Spot on M Singh!

7 a side grass football pitches, changing rooms, spectator stand with bar and food!

Maybe we could get a Thai Visa Team together?

Cheers

Sounds great, only if Mattias doesn't wear Shin Pads though & i can play against him with Metal Studs on ??

Oh & Jambo, the Guy who's doing it is a Hibbie i believe ??

Im in on 2 conditions:

1. I want to wear the KOS clothes.

2. Highdiver is in your team!

Metal studs? Sounds nasty....

But to get back to the topic itself, I thought that anyone who was brought up right knew that not wearing a shirt in a public building was rude. But maybe not.

Its different traditions and cultures in different parts of the world. Has nothing to do with being rude, or "brought up wrong".

Here is a picture of Hm the king of Swaziland. If i came dressed like that to motoroffice in Nathon they would tell me to leave the building and come back with a shirt that covers the shoulders. But in Swaziland this is ok dressing.

It's the interpretaion Mattias, to me it look slike the KOS has a Dress on, it covers as much flesh as many Female Dresses & Shirts worn throughout the World so just because the King is Male, it shouldn't be any different..

It covers more than 75% of his body ( upper half ) also so i don't see the problem..

However if i get you one of those Shirts Mattias & you wore it to anywhere not just Immigration in Nathon & you took a Picture of yourself & posted it, i'd owe you Beer for a month...

It is a generous offer msingh, i have to seriously consider it. .

The 75% of the body dosent matter in motoroffice. You are not allowed to have bare shoulders in there. I wouldnt be surpriced if it´s the same rule in immigration.

But to get back to the topic itself, I thought that anyone who was brought up right knew that not wearing a shirt in a public building was rude. But maybe not.

Its different traditions and cultures in different parts of the world. Has nothing to do with being rude, or "brought up wrong".

Here is a picture of Hm the king of Swaziland. If i came dressed like that to motoroffice in Nathon they would tell me to leave the building and come back with a shirt that covers the shoulders. But in Swaziland this is ok dressing.

maybe when i have time I will scan some photos I took of the very real country of Swaziland & of the very real children of Swaziland doing one of their traditional dances in grass skirts. Or maybe you would like to see the entry & exit stamps in my passport that says "Swaziland" or maybe if I could post you the wooden african carving I have that was made by an old Swazi man who had a stall at the side of the road?

But to get back to the topic itself, I thought that anyone who was brought up right knew that not wearing a shirt in a public building was rude. But maybe not.

This might be the point were normaly "off topic posts have been removed" would come. I guess you made that a little harder. .

Sbk, i do also think he was being facetious, or possibly that he ment Switzerland. Me being from Sweden i want to point out that there is no similarity between our flags. .

The funny part that nobody seem to get is that msingh said "they were from Sweden or Swaziland", because they had that flag on their Thai phrase book.

I've been to Swaziland, I have the stamp in my passport & it is a very real place.

It´s been a long time since i coment on your posts boo, and infact i swore to myself to never do so again, but i have to brake it to ask you the following question: You been to Swatziland??? .

Might one ask why and when??

You are pulling our legs right? .

"I have the stamp in my passport". Hahahahaha. Good one.

what's haad salad like? does it take long to get there and are the roads as bad as peeps make out, i've seen a place there i'd like to stay at.

Had Salad is a nice place, with some "higher budget" resorts and some "normal budget" bungalows, some shops and ATM. Nice beach but low water in the after noon (high in the morning) at this time of the year. Some places have a swimming pool.

Very good and new costal road via Had Yao just finished.

If you like it there, my addvise would be "Salad Hut" with Pong and Katarina, swimming pool included. Nice layout has also "Green Papaya"

Had salad resort (or was it had salad hotel?) right in the end of the little dirtroad with shops and restaurants along it, is not a bad place either. One of the few hotels i´ve been to in Thailand were it was actually worth getting up for breakfast. Great pool and good hotelrestaurant. On the beach.

you have just marked yourself as the negative indicator. Salad resort is soulless and crowded with package tourists. to each his own. nice pool, sure if you get up at 4 am and put a towel on your chair.

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Afraid you might have got that wrong brother. I was never up before nine and my wife never before 11. The pool was still great and not much people around it. What do you mean? Are you persuming the area was filled up or something after 4 in the morning? . Maybe things change ALOT since i was there then? .

I'm Liverpool fan maybe weird because I'm girl

sit at home and watched the game...almost nice game and I think both team are nervous but Liverpool's goal keeper more nervous

Good for you, sounds great. Ohh, and i case you didn´t know, you are on thaivisa, koh samui forum. (Sorry, i just had to do it ).

This Fella, sadly, makes my <deleted> blood boil on a regular basis..

Who me? Sorry, i don´t intend to.

"they where from Sweden or Swaziland bordered by south africa" then. Yeah, sound very real. So what flag what actually on that thai guidebook? Or does Swatziland in south africa have the same flag as sweden aswell, and what did it do on the book in the first place? Well, i said ill let msingh off the hook and i think he should be happy to take that offer by now. .

Swatziland. Yeah, right!!!

If i go over the top with the following question, mods, you can delete it with no hard feelings from my side. I just forgot. I really want to know. Swaizland?? Where is that?? What is that?

I had the highest grade in geographics but i´m just dying to know. Please. If it is not to much to ask for, since it been posted 2 times now, what country in the world are you meaning by this msingh?? I´m honest in my question but do delete me if i come out agressive or against the rules. I just have to know. . Do you mean Switzerland or do you mean Somalia in Africa or what do you mean? There is no country called Swaizland in the world i´m sure. It kind of take away the point of you´re posts if we don´t know what you talk about. Can i ask you to use solber, normal educated language when you post so we all understand your posts? Msingh? Or am i out of line by such a request?

(The heartattack point was more that i´m starting to feel i agreed a bit too much with you lately sbk. After all we are suppose to be enemies on this forum. We need to keep that image up, and from me its real. But lately you seem to post to much of my oppinions for me to dissagree. I dont like that. Get back to the real mode soon please!!! . (Or i myself miht get a heartattack!)

Tony thanks. I do always read your post because they include sence and manners and validity. This time they so happened to agree with me aswell but nevertheless i do read and appreciate you as a poster. Keep it up.

Thx.

Ok, enough bickering guys.

Well, agreed (has it been to much lately, plese dont get a heartattack sbk ). Out of topic and pointless, lets end it!!!

The audience can't wait for Mattia's reply.

If that´s so, i of course have to do it. Here it comes:

I personally, but that´s only me, think msingh is pulling legs, he didnt have a clue of the nationality he ever spoke ablout. He has proven it with online dictionarys calling svenska-svenske wich is what google would do for you (it is Norwegean or Danish (for instans samuijens could confirm this if he feels like it) translastion of swedish) but to be honest, it is enough for me knowing that msingh is f.o.s without telling everybody else, wich is why i said "i let you of the hook". Sadly, he wants to continue this off topic thing and i will answer as long as he does. Out of respect. So, any more questions about how you made a fool of yourself using google, msingh? I´m here to give you the answers, just trow questions. Otherwise, case closed?

Perhaps they were speaking in Swedish? mattias, is, I believe, from Sweden.

That also led me to believe they were Swedish SBK, yes....

Along with the Swedish/Thai Book they had, as mentioned..

I am from Sweden that is correct. And been traveling the world and have not yet to meet any nationality except norweigians or danish people that can spot the Swedish language. Msingh is Norweigian? I can´t begin to tell you how sorry i am. .

Mattias, what is it about the fact that i spotted the couple with a Swedish/Thai Phrasebook that made me realise that they were Swedish, that you don't seem to understand ???

Maybe the fact that a book about thailand bought in sweden will never have a swedish flag on it. All books in a swedish bookstore is in swedish. It will most lightly have a Thaiflag on it ifyou asked me. But they could have been from Sweden anyway, just that i think you couldnt tell thats all. But for me it dosent really matter so i let you off the hook now. .

True there is nothing "culturally wrong" but no Asian goes to a government office without a shirt on. It doesn't take alot of common sense to know where its appropriate to go without a shirt and where it is not.

I do agree with your post sbk, but at the same time the fact is that in the northern countries, were we are happy if we get 4 weeks/year when we can be without a shirt, it is "culturally accepted" to say the least, to go without a shirt in most places. Allthough i personally never felt comfortable without a shirt if im indoors, like in a mall or even worse the tax deparment or similar, it is still nothing that people would react or frown upon over there in the summer. I am still not trying to defend the behavior of the man in the op, but just trying to explain how he might think. "It´s hot=no shirt, it´s cold=full dress". Dont miss any chans to get the sun on your body. I´m sure he would have brought a shirt and put it on if he new how rude it is, but i just dont think he knew. However, most lightly he know by now, or else he is on a overstay. .

Seems to me, from only watching and listening, that alot of international schools go the same way on this island? They pop up one year and dissapear the next. And the foreign/Thai kids have the bad luck of being the victims since their foreign parent want them in these schools instead of Thai schools so they become "a little bit better" than regular Thai kids. I always thought of the international schools on this island as a buisness idea from a foreigner and nothing else. I See even Thai girls that have kids, and managed to hook up with a rich foreigner, all of a sudden the Thaischool is not "good enough" and they have to go to some more expensive school so mom can brag around her friends. Problem is these kids dont seem to learn much if you compare them to the kids in the Thaischools, from what i can see. I´ve seen many examples of this wich i will not post because it will make the post too long. For sure it can´t be good for the kids to move around from 3-4 different schools during their early education years, and especially when they all seem to have completely different education programs. And if it is due to closedowns you always get a period before you are in a new school, and then you have another period of time to catch up with the other kids in the different program. My oppinions are completely based on watching and i have zero personal experience in this matter, so you have to take my oppinion for what it is. But still i say, if i were to put a young kid in school here, i most lightly would put him in a government school.

I'm Liverpool fan maybe weird because I'm girl

sit at home and watched the game...almost nice game and I think both team are nervous but Liverpool's goal keeper more nervous

Good for you, sounds great. Ohh, and i case you didn´t know, you are on thaivisa, koh samui forum. (Sorry, i just had to do it ).