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If OP and others have to ask themselves "Why Thailand?" then they probably shouldn't plan on settling down here.
In other words, it shouldn't take you long to discover whether Thailand is right for you.
Just be sure you get out of the tourist towns and expat ghettos to see what the real Thailand has to offer.
At OP's age, Thai language ability would be a requirement for successful adaptation to the Thai people and culture.
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LivinLOS -- perhaps you didn't getting the message: Stop the conjecture and wait for the CW trip reports on this issue.
Until then, get a life off the Forum
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To LivinLOS and others:
Yes, I have read the related threads, but I felt this trip report was unique for the following:
1) It is a first-person report; not hearsay.
2) It occured at Chaeng Wattana Immigration which I feel is the best indication of the intended national immigration policy and practices.
3) It refers to a case of a person who, presumably, had entered on a non-O-A visa which had expired and then who had extended multiple times for the purpose of retirement. In other words, this did not involve all those cases of O-A entries still in their visa validity periods discussed in those other threads you seem to refer to.
4) The amount of detail which OP provided strongly indicates that this was an actual experience, and not a troll post or exaggeration intended to alarm.
Thus, instead of just assuming that this is standard practice now, I think we need to carefully document the experience of other such O-A holders who extend at Chaeng Wattana to see what the policy actually is, in practice.
Only first-person trip reports will help in that determination -- not your surmising.
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I'm surprised there isn't more comment on this trip report.
OP went to Immo CW, which I view to be the standard bearer for how the regs are applied.
If OP's experience is representative, it would appear that the health insurance requirement is being applied retro-actively to anyone who came in on an O-A visa and then has extended permission to stay ever since.
To me, that would set a remarkable precedent that I don't think we've seen before, at least not at Chaeng Wattana Immigration.
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For Tracyb: Sorry if you already told us, but which insurance company is this? Thanks.
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For NewGuy: The written portion in your PP page says, roughly, "approved for the period of policy coverage."
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So, instead of helping out in his wife's shop, let's say that OP likes to make pottery as a hobby.
He has a lots of bowls, mugs, dishes, and other works of his pottery left over, and he gives these to neighbors and friends.
The word gets around on social media, other people admire his artful works of pottery, and people start coming to visit and ask to buy or commission pieces of pottery.
He says he cannot sell his pottery since it is just a hobby, not a business. But he says that people can make donations to the tip jar for the peices they take.
He has no work permit; his hobby is not displacing a Thai worker; no harm, no foul?
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On a side note, it seems that the OP has been doing his annual extensions at CW/Bangkok. If he now wants to process extensions at Prachinburi IO, then he will have to do change of address form, correct?
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This laser focus on the O-A visa holders obscures the larger inconsistency between the stated rationale and small size of the target group.
In other words, it was stated that the problem was too many foreigners with unpaid medical bills. If the introduction of the health insurance requirement only applies to O-A visa holders/extenders, that won't have any impact to speak of on future unpaid hospital bills.
Thus, as others have alluded to: The health insurance requirement only makes sense if applied to all foreigners in Thailand, including tourists.
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Dudes, don't complain. I used to fly Thai from Kunming to Bangkok several times a year. At check-in they would ask passengers to step on the luggage scale.
Actually a good idea. If you have to pay extra for overweight baggage, maybe people with a healthy BMI should pay less than those with an overly-high BMI.
(Airline) food for thought...
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@ Onari and others: People need to stop alleging that Thai Immigration enforces these regulations in order to fine expats to get money for themselves.
If you get a receipt, I guarantee you that those funds do not go to the local Immo officer or Immo office.
Those funds will go to the Ministry of Interior. And they are auditable.
If you have ever been audited by a Thai government auditor, well, they are strict as He11.
The only time that Immo pockets the fines is when you pay and do not get a receipt or pay an agent more than the extension renewal fee.
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Hackney35 and your ilk: Why do you feel you have a right to live in Thailand under terms that you prefer?
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@SteveAus: Unfortunately, over the years, this section of the TV forum has become a dumping ground for those who can't adjust to Thailand and need a place to slander Thais and Immigration out of indignation. As you and I seem to know, the vast majority of ex-pats who truly love and respect Thailand have found ways to live here without hassles. It stands to reason then that most of them have no reason to visit this forum or, let alone, post. That is why the discussion is so skewed to the negative experience.
Thus, the only reason for successful ex-pats in Thailand to post here is to provide some counter-examples of how it is possible to live here in peace and harmony.
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Thanks for the trip report, OP. Just a few questions:
What time did you arrive at CW immigration?
What queue number did you get for TM30?
Also, what time did you finish?
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So far, in browsing these many threads on TM 30, I haven't seen any conjecture about what would happen in the following scenario:
An ex-pat on a retirement extension lives in Bangkok. Every weekend he goes to Pattaya or Hua Hin or other seaside province and stays in a hotel which reports his visit.
Upon returning to Bangkok, the ex-pat (or landlord) does not file a TM 30. This goes on for another 51 weeks until the ex-pat reports to CW Immo for his annual extension.
Is the fine 800 baht or 800 X 51 = 40,800 baht?
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@ verticalift You have spent 20 years in Thailand and invested considerable funds.
Yet, apparently, you never discovered the way to live in Thailand in order to reap the benefits that are far in excess of your investment.
If this latest amount of inconvenience drives you out of the country, then you never belonged in Thailand in the first place.
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Regarding the Facebook info, why would anyone use their passport name to create a FB account?
Why relinquish your privacy?
There is no way FB can verify whether a proposed account name is the passport name or not.
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OP is asking the wrong question: The question should be as follows:
"is there any law that requires a Thai Immigration officer to admit a non-Thai seeking entry to Thailand?"
When you get an answer to that you will begin to see the light.
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What if the housemaster is deceased?
And I live alone in her house?
Without my name on the Blue Book?
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"Oncebefore" you do:
Please see post # 47.....
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A number of experienced ex-pats have pointed out the following about using an agent to get around the requirement of having 800,000 baht in the bank for a retirement extension:
1) If you go that route you are probably stuck with it. That is because, if you try to switch back to a legitimate approach (i.e., with 800K baht in your account before and after extension), a different Immo officer can easily see from your bank account history that you did not have the funds in the account for previous extension. Normally, Thai gov't. offices are required to keep legal documentation on file for 5 years before disposing.
2) Some will argue that it doesn't matter if a senior Immo officer used their discretion to approve the extension without the required bank account info. Well, what if that officer is transferred, and the new officer will not play the game? Then the agent has lost his/her key accomplice in the local Immo office. You are then outed and could face worse consequences than a mere denial of extension and 7 days to exit.
3) If you are using an agent to feed corrupt Immo officials, then you are part of the problem.
It's in all of our interest to insist on being legal with Immo, to appear at Immo in person, and require official receipts for fines or services rendered by an Immo office.
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It's not clear whether OP's wife and child are Thais.
If so, then the obvious solution to his woes is the retirement extension, which is not so onerous if you have the 800K to sock away.
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In case anyone misinterprets dbrenn's clever irony, IO officers are refusing entry of people they suspect are working in Thailand illegally. It is their purview and, indeed, their responsibility to do so. Even if they are over-zealous in some cases.
My adult son and daughter (who live outside Thailand) visit me once or twice a year (on their home country passports). They never have a problem with Immigration. Word to the wise...
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I live alone in my Thai wife's house.
She died in 2011.
Do I file the TM30 as 'possessor'?
The blue house book (Tabien Ban) still has no living housemaster.
My name is on the land deed as administrator of her estate.
But the house ownership form is still in her name.
What supporting documents would I need to comply with TM30 or TM28?
Getting a Yellow Book
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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My understanding is that, if you live in the house of a blue-book owner, you can be added to that blue book's list of residents, even if you are non-Thai.
And you can use that blue book for doing many of the things the yellow-bookers do, and more.