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57 minutes ago, SEtonal said:

Tomorrow is a holiday.  Immigration and banks are closed.  

Thanks indeed a new holiday has appeared, never one to grouse about a holiday, so Tuesday it is.

1 hour ago, yodsak said:

You probably don't need it,   go back 3 mths from your renewal with updated book, Go to desk 8 tell them you've lost it..

Go to desk 8 and tell them I've lost it.

I guess i am on the "in the end of life" visa, but i dont feel i've lost It that bad 555

Will call tomorrow and see what are options. 

On 2/28/2019 at 7:28 AM, ubonjoe said:

I suggest you ignore most of what you see on YouTube about Thai visas, extensions and etc.

It is still possible to a apply for change of visa status to get a 90 day non immigrant visa (category O) entry at a immigration office. It is also possible to do it with 30 day visa exempt entry.

General requirements are here (click Eng at the top of the page to change from Thai) https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_80

After getting the 90 day entry you could then apply for a one year extension of stay when the 800k baht has been in the bank for 2 months.

It is still possible to use the 65k monthly income option but you would need to transfer it into a Thai bank from abroad. For the first extension you would need to show 1 or 2 months of transfers. For the visa application one transfer should be enough.

Today while looking for clarity on proof of income at 90 days i got to the Thai Immigration FAQ page in english.

Here is the link to questions on retirement visas

It is titled "in the end of life"...a dig/humour from the mandarin in charge....lol why not

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/sv_stay2.23

3 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

if i would extend every year based on retirement using 800k in the bank, how could i comply with immi rules to report with my bbook 400k say after 8 months when  i would stay only 7 to 8 months in los ???

 

roobaa01

I have been assuming  the 'bankbook proof' timing would be aligned with 90 day reporting, and there would be the need to show your bank book (you or your agent or whatever - or if doing an onilne report, having to submit a digital image of bankbook or some other compliance method) on the first 90 day report (at the same time, same desk, same officer) and .....

if you were out of the country your 90 days date would move as per the long established process - and then, not sure what Thai Imm has in mind- that you have 400k min no matter how long you stay away, a cost of having the 'convenience' of an annual retirement visa. That you choose to spend time away, I suspect they may decide, is yours and if you want a retirement visa instead of other types of visas available, then that's your decision, and the 400k minimum must always be maintained - but in the end its up to them.

2 minutes ago, smedly said:

apparently those that have used an agent to bypass the rules and don't have the money in the bank don't need to report their balance after 3 months, like I said above, it will be interesting in 12 months time when they apply for renewal and have no 400k minimum balance to show

Yes we will see how many they feel need to succumb to not having met eh updated written requirements. I suspect as always there will be 100 layers of fines that could be paid to clear the mess up, but there will also be banishment on the list of available options if the officers in charge deem it appropriate.

I am slapping my own face today as I went Friday with all paperwork and updated financials to do my 90 day report. It was done in a flash with no mention of producing my bankbook, so I left assuming (slap) that the requirement is at officers discretion and a such waived, and I was done.

Now it looks like I do a six hour round trip tomorrow to do the 800k report - UGH

5 minutes ago, yodsak said:

yes

90 day report is not at the same time.  separate. different desk.

3 mth bankbook check is 3 mths after you got your retirement visa. so you need to go back 3 mths after renewal.

Ok sounds like two confirmations, and thanks for that.

We are tearing apart still packed boxes trying to find that letter. I Personally have a file where all related materials for visas for each year are stored - for a few reasons that letter did not make it into the file and now I suspect it will confirm what you and SEtonal are saying.

Cost = time, wear and tear, costs and headache from the fact i'm having to do this. But in the end my responsibility so so nom na as they say......

Cheers for the replies

5 minutes ago, SEtonal said:

You need to open your passport and find the paper telling you the date to report back to Jomtien Immigration with a bank book.  No one has done a bank book report from Jomtien yet because the earliest report date is in June and Tuesday June 4 will be the first day the Immigration Office is open this month.

SEtonal, thanks for that response

I did indeed get a piece of paper from IO on my visa renewal date, stating I would need to show proof of 800k - but we have misplaced that paper during a house move we made in the interim.

So when I did my 90 day report Friday past, I assumed that was the trigger for them to check my bankbook for appropriate funds (visa issuance + 90 days)

The office did not ask, they did not direct me to another desk to do the report so I (foolishly perhaps) assumed the requirement had lapsed (as so many of these diktats have over the years), but now I am wondering if that paper indeed says June 4_ somehow, and I have just condemend myself to another return trip to Jomtien IO to do that - 3 hours one way ????

3 minutes ago, kuma said:

All my previous staff, mostly just out of Uni or perhaps had worked a few years, were getting starting salaries in excess of 66k THB/month, not including mandatory thirteenth month 'bonus' and performance bonus paid annually on top, which was on average about 3.5 months salary

This is in Bkk, so the best middle class jobs - but there are lots of them....

In another thread, it was suggested that going to do your first 90 day report (in 2019 based on 'apparent' new rule changes for minimum THB funds) - you have to state at the office you are there do a 90 day report, AND 800k THB balance confirmation.

I posted this below on another thread, can anyone comment?

So you are suggesting that when visiting the IO you must specify you are there to do:

1. 90 day report

2. Confirmation of 800k bank balance

And that in stating such you are given two queue tickets, one to go get your 90 day report complete, and then go to a second queue (and a different officer) to show your updated bank book and get confirmation you met the "800k, 90 day after visa issuance requirement"?

Are there any persons here that can confirm they completed this process? At immigration, I assumed:

1. One officer would be responsible for both reporting conditions

2. The front desk that issues queue tickets would have scanned my passport, understood it was my first 90 day, and given me the appropriate queue tickets.

Thanks in advance for responding.

On 5/31/2019 at 11:40 AM, Joe Mcseismic said:

You think Thais only earn 67k per year? Or, 4k per month?

Obviously, they want affluent foreigners which is very understandable.

Surprised that you couldn't figure this out yourself.

All my previous staff, mostly just out of Uni or perhaps had worked a few years, were getting starting salaries in excess of 66k THB/month, not including mandatory thirteenth month 'bonus' and performance bonus paid annually on top, which was on average about 3.5 months salary

This is in Bkk, so the best middle class jobs - but there are lots of them....

3 minutes ago, lelapin said:

I did my renewal in March at Jomtien also but the next dates  for the 90 day report and showing the bank book are not the same.

So you are suggesting that when visiting the IO you must specify you are there to do:

1. 90 day report

2. Confirmation of 800k bank balance

And that in stating such you are given two queue tickets, one to go get your 90 day report complete, and then go to a second queue (and a different officer) to show your updated bank book and get confirmation you met the "800k, 90 day after visa issuance requirement"?

Are there any persons here that can confirm they completed this process? At immigration, I assumed: 1. One office would be responsible for both reporting conditions

2. The front desk that issues queue tickets would have scanned my passport, understood it was my first 90 day, and given me the appropriate queue tickets.

Thanks in advance for responding.

18 minutes ago, yodsak said:

90 day report has nothing to do with 3 mth bankbook check. check your paper again.

Order 35/2561 states:

(4). At least 2 months prior to the filing date and at least 3 months after being granted permission, the alien must have funds deposited in a bank in Thailand of no less than THB 800,000. The alien can withdraw the fund 3 months after being granted permission and the remaining balance must be no less than THB 400,000, 

However some IO have interpreted that as 2 months before for the very first application only, thereafter 3 months before as per the old order. They are wrong in my opinion.

If in doubt and you don't know what your own IO is enforcing, take the safe route of 3 months before.

Thanks Tanoshi, original poster of this info

On 5/30/2019 at 4:33 PM, rwill said:

not exactly correct.  It must be brought back up to 800K for the last 2 months. 

Update for everyone on the 800/400k requirement.

I just went today for my first 90 Day on this visa extension. I was at the Jomtien IO. 

When I did my visa renewal in March, they gave me a one pager explaining that at my first 90 Day I would need to bring an updated bank book showing a balance over 800k. 

I handed over my passport today, to a lovely immigration woman the girl says we see many times, I never recall. 

We chatted a bit, she took my passport, did not check my visa, did not ring me up on the computer, did not ask for a bank book...just stapled in the next reporting page and we were off in under two minutes.

I am sure the fact she is familiar with us was a factor, but there was no mention of the bankbook at all.

Perfect.

On 5/31/2019 at 9:38 PM, kwak250 said:

Must admit that is great fuel economy.

Anyone own a Ranger Raptor? What do they do per 100km?

 

It would be interesting.

My mileage posted there was as described, virtually all highway (though there was a stretch of stop and go on the 36) so, to a point above, my average FE I dont know...I will load up a tank and set the trip to run til empty (for me half is empty but that will still give a representative sample of a few weeks driving) and see where it comes out.

I have an XLT Open Cab 2.2 AT 2WD, so at a minimum the Raptor loses out in terms of 4WD, more weight from 4 door cab, and possibly other factors, but I think those aside curb weight should not differ (maybe a twin turbo 2L is lighter than a 2.2L turbo). The raptpr has more expensive flared and molded steel to give it that wider more aggressive look, but how much more weight those panels add im not sure.

On 5/30/2019 at 3:20 PM, ubonjoe said:

You can apply for a one year extension of stay based upon marriage at a immigration office during the last 30 days of your 90 day entry.

You will need 400k baht in a Thai bank for 2 months or proof of 40k baht income.

No need to leave the country after you get the extension unless you want to.

Update for everyone on the 800/400k requirement.

I just went today for my first 90 Day on this visa extension. I was at the Jomtien IO. 

When I did my visa renewal in March, they gave me a one pager explaining that at my first 90 Day I would need to bring an updated bank book showing a balance over 800k. 

I handed over my passport today, to a lovely immigration woman the girl says we see many times, I never recall. 

We chatted a bit, she took my passport, did not check my visa, did not ring me up on the computer, did not ask for a bank book...just stapled in the next reporting page and we were off in under two minutes.

I am sure the fact she is familiar with us was a factor, but there was no mention of the bankbook at all.

Perfect.

Just now, kuma said:

Ok, today in to sin city for 90 Day n more.

About 160 km std, and hete are the results for fuel, I tell you this 2.2 is an exceptional performer, 5.8l/100km. 96% highway, about 46km construction in 36 and a bit if rain. You can see there is just over 7k km in this one, I expect from previous experience that this will get even better after 10k, once it really breaks in fully.

Some spelling errors, on the phone, but I think the point gets across

On 5/26/2019 at 2:14 PM, mogandave said:

 

Not calling you a liar, but I’d have to see 16-17km/l, that seems pretty strong.

My 3l Isuzu averaged 12.3 over the almost five years I drove it, and the 2.8 ‘tuna has averaged something less than 9 for the year and a half I’ve been driving it.

 

Ok, today in to sin city for 90 Day n more.

About 160 km std, and hete are the results for fuel, I tell you this 2.2 is an exceptional performer, 5.8l/100km. 96% highway, about 46km construction in 36 and a bit if rain. You can see there is just over 7k km in this one, I expect from previous experience that this will get even better after 10k, once it really breaks in fully.

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Not sure where you heard it no longer existed.

It is certainly still allowed. No need for 400k baht in the bank.

I recall reading that this was no longer allowed but my primary source is a good friend, bkk based, married and living here the past 15+ years.

Every year until 2019, he showed proof of every year since arriving - but this year they told him that would no longer be permitted and he would have to deposit THB in the bank as per the new rules. This would have been at CW in bkk, where he has gone since moving to Thailand.

So as always could be a case where the rules are being subjectively applied...imagine lol

15 hours ago, inThailand said:

How about just doing your 90 day report online? If it works, that's your answer. 

Is this the link to use for online 90 Day reporting?

https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn90online/online/tm47/TM47Action.do

Thanks

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

You can apply for a one year extension of stay based upon marriage at a immigration office during the last 30 days of your 90 day entry.

You will need 400k baht in a Thai bank for 2 months or proof of 40k baht income.

No need to leave the country after you get the extension unless you want to.

UJ, see you reference proof of 40k THB/month. I thought that option was dead and buried - can you still show such and avoid the 400K THB requirement?

Cheers

18 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Agreed. But many pickup drivers like to punch it and throw it around like it is a racing car... just like anything they drive here really and that includes 10-wheel trucks as well!

 

When you consider that TRD means Toyota Racing Development and Toyota likes to stick that badge on premium-priced Vigos and Revo's, maybe it's understandable why the average Somchai lets his/her inner Schumacher off the leash when he/she gets behind the wheel.

 

Mate of mine has had a D Max, his first pickup, for maybe 5 years now and won't part with it. Or rather his wife won't let him as she uses it more than him. I have had a few rides in it and admit it was pretty decent and far better than the Vigo's and Fortuners I had on various longish rentals.

LOL - sometimes, regardless of what you're driving - you need to punch it!

2.2 is good enough out the hole when required, and at about 1900-2200rpm, prior to that seems at bit sluggish (if i recall correctly, will remind myself tomorrow)

17 hours ago, Nong Khai Man said:

Well I for one would find having to go somewhere every 90 days to be more of a hassle than the renewal and reporting.....NOT If you were like Me Living 10 Minutes from the Laos Border at Nong Khai......EASILY Done in LESS than an hour !!

Agree, and I am just one hour (bit more of a drive) to Ban Pakkad and can do same. But to me this part of the thread started with "just go for a trip every 90 days" - and my definition (for better or worse) is a proper trip, I dont consider buying a visa (if required, for me it is) to step across the border for two hours and get a stamp a "trip" - that is like an errand. Although I will say a day over the border (or longer) at Vientiane to hang out is a lot more appealing than a short hop at the borders near me in Chan/Trat. They have nothing of interest really, and the Cambo border guards make it worse by holding out for a tip to process your passport, as well as non stop touts hitting you up for everything once you cross - all very annoying to me. But part of the joy of the world is to each his own - apparently not actually the case anymore in the "land of the free" and its hangers on (5 eyes), now its more "to each what we tell you it will be"

4 minutes ago, Mitkof Island said:

800.000 you mean 400,000 ? 5% a year? Where ? I am just talking about simple border runs.

well 800,000 for first 90 days then 400,000 for next 210 days, then 800,000 for 60 days and repeat each year.

Yes sure over to Pailin or Savannakhet etc is different than two ppl going to PP, Saigon, Tokyo, Seoul, etc etc - that's the types of things that will get me up to travel, not the border posts - but hats off to those who enjoy it. Like I said in the past I did.

12 minutes ago, Mitkof Island said:

And why are you bothering with the extension, money in the bank account route? its much easier and less hassle to just cross a border every 90 days or less. No money in a bank account and less paper work hassle etc.

Well I for one would find having to go somewhere every 90 days to be more of a hassle than the renewal and reporting. Sigh, was a time I would have been the reverse but age gets to you.

Both the 90 day and retirement renewal I find to be very easy, even at the busiest of offices.

If you could keep the 800k out and make, say 5% on it in the year, that would be about $1250. Three trips abroad would cost that much (real trips, not over the border at Pakkad for 2 hours) so not convinced the trips over banking is even cost effective, never mind the hassle.

8 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Your the first post I have read about the checking of the 400k. 90 day report is independent from any requirements to show funds in bank after extension granted. Jomtien is one of only 4 offices that have asked to report with bankbook post extension. IMO its almost unworkable. Some people travel a lot. Some spend extended periods outside los. Apart from fact for some people its a LONG round trip to imm office. 

Yes those are all somewhat valid issues, and there will be others that come up as this gets codified moving forward (or dropped as an idea for being too difficult to implement). I suspect for those like me who have a visa and are going for their first 90 day report, you bring an updated bank book with you.

For online updates, who knows what they have planned (the last I checked, I could not do online reporting for the Jomtien office, do not even recall why, somehow the site did not work). For frequent travelers, they may require you to show a bankbook with the appropriate amounts in place on the appropriate dates...but again TIT so early to say what will actually happen.

My trip to the imm office is 3 hours one way, so yes I want to get it done in one shot.

Will update here after 90 day is complete

2 hours ago, AAArdvark said:

If you are doing your 90 day in person, perhaps you could bring your updated bank book.  Don't show them unless they ask.

I like this approach. When I renewed my visa in March (Jomtien) I was given a one page document advising I needed to bring an up to date bank book with the unmarried minimum requirement (800,000 THB) for my first 90 day reporting period. For te remainder of the 90 day reports, I will have to show a bank book updated with a minimum 400,000 THB minimum balance, which must be back up to 800,000 THB 60 days prior to seeking to renew my one year retirement visa next year.

I believe this was the process outlined, not sure if/how it is being enforced nationally. I expect Jomtien would be one of the tougher offices in terms of compliance.