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Lol on the story of the house full of bricks ????...great I play with that Chat thing for mostly entertainment purposes thou I have to concede in some cases it puts out something relevant or food for thought. Actually I have watched it regress - based on topics I interact on it with. it is confusing itself (maybe) or being directed to be confused (more likely imo). Lol I often have a conversation with it, saying good day and refuting lots of data it throws out and reasoning with it to reconsider. It often does, and comes out with new answers, and an apology....interesting tool....wonder where it will be in 20 years. The answer I posted above was the second attempt - first time it said 303.4k kg, so it is out there in left field.

Sirineou did a great job with the guesstimate so all good there. Finished it has paint, windows and modern steel sheet sloping roof - none of those add any significant weight to the total, imo - so based on the estimate should be well within the capacity of a single crane. We looked at the placement again yesterday and actually will move it even less than I originally thought, about 50% less - so really hardly moving it at all, so if they can lift it in a way that keeps its structural integrity from failing, it should be good to go....provided the price is right

Well it is almost straight ahead, but it would have to shimmy over about 4m, so no not really straight ahead or sideways, but it is another method I have seen. Cheers

Ha, fir fun I put the dimensions in ChatGPT and asked it to approximate the weight, assuming brick build and concrete foundation (to get a high estimate) - it comes back with 280,000kg hahahaha Calculate the volume of the house: Volume = Length × Width × Height Volume = 6m × 7m × 3m = 126 cubic meters Determine the weight of the bricks: Let's assume a rough average weight of 1,800 kilograms per cubic meter (kg/m³) for the bricks. Weight of bricks = Volume × Weight per unit volume Weight of bricks = 126 m³ × 1,800 kg/m³ = 226,800 kilograms (kg) Estimate the weight of the concrete foundation: Let's assume a rough weight of 2,400 kg/m³ for concrete. If we assume a foundation thickness of 0.5 meters, the area of the foundation will be: Area = Length × Width = 6m × 7m = 42 square meters Weight of foundation = Volume × Weight per unit volume Weight of foundation = 42 m² × 0.5 m × 2,400 kg/m³ = 50,400 kilograms (kg) Consider the weight of the interior walls: Assuming a conservative estimate of 100 kilograms per square meter for the interior walls. Area of interior walls = Height × Width + Height × Length Area of interior walls = 3m × 1m + 3m × 6m = 3m² + 18m² = 21 square meters Weight of interior walls = Area of interior walls × Weight per unit area Weight of interior walls = 21 m² × 100 kg/m² = 2,100 kilograms (kg) Calculate the total weight: Total weight = Weight of bricks + Weight of foundation + Weight of interior walls Total weight = 226,800 kg + 50,400 kg + 2,100 kg = 279,300 kilograms (kg)

Thanks for that, I am not an expert for sure but based on materials used and simple design (only two interior walls) I figure it is not heavy at all. The key will be, as mentioned in the thread, moving it without damaging it. Appreciate your input, thanks!

Hate to say it, but a leader that has been groomed at Harvard and GW Uni's is a potential trojan horse. I know little of him so cant say but hope they are wary of what are his true leanings and to whom he may be beholden to Is his plan to work for Thailand, or for some one else?

Yes I have seen videos such as this where they move some amazing structures. I have been involved in moving weight over the years, but never a project like this. It might net out in terms of cost - but I dont see that being the case (comparing demolition and disposal of this place plus building a new one) and I am interested in trying this if it could work. Also I cringe at all the waste, I built this a few years back to stay on site while we decided what to do with the land, and now I dont like the idea of just trashing it so quickly...... Cheersa

Thanks for that. I saw this group on site hoisting that roof that was in the photo. I asked if they could move a structure like mine and the operator said yes, but their surveyor would have to come out and assess the move and decide what crane to use - they have a fleet of choices, not just that one. So after collecting more intel, if it seems like a possibility, I will have them out to take a look and see what they say. Cheers

Photo now included. I do not have a good idea of the total weight, but almost as light as it can get for something that size made of blocks, as they are QConn (lightweight) and even the roof is metal so not heavy at all, in a relative sense.

Here is a photo of it under construction. It is QConn 7.5cm and 6x7m so not a big structure by any means and not heavy. Given it is on pillars, it should be a matter of cutting those and then sliding it forward to the new position about 9m away....basically almost exactly straight ahead. Should only have to be lifted 10- 20 or so cm?

Excellent feedback, thanks very much for sharing your knowledge - lots to learn from your post. The site I visited them at they were using three cranes to lift and place a steel truss roof, probably 30m x 20m or more....so it was a big piece and they used three cranes at once. Very impressive coordination. This structure is mauch smaller and much less weight, the idea would be one crane, moving t forward from where it stands, about 9m ahead. FOr sure if there is a crane that can do it, it will not have to move - I have the space and they would only have to lift it enough to clear the pillars it sits on, then slide it forward those few metres. I will certainly take all this you mention into consideration when speaking with them, I know they will be keen to get the work and likely confident in their skills...I am keen to do, but only if it has a high probability of success, i do not want to pay to have a wrecked structure when it is all said and done. So one crane, limited distance and placed on new pillars so not have to place it on the ground. Cheers for that great input!

I replied to this but session timed out when I pressed send, so maybe another one coming, if so oh well. Spreader bars are the thing it looks like, thanks. That was a funny set of search results, lol. I am thinking bars extended out of all four sides, ten strap points in total? the crane can position itself easily so it does not have to move, just pluck and swing the boom to the new location. The building now rests on 9 cement pillars, cut thru them and swing it over to a new set of nine pillars...but I wonder if putting it on solid ground would be better than keeping it raised? Could build a solid pad for it and keep it 100% grounded.....hmmm

Is there still a memorial to Bon Scott there in WA? That would have been something, hoisting that up. O

Very good points, thx for the feedback - and yea that will be part of the process here - as mentioned above - assess the risk. I am collecting and continue to ponder. As part of the DM I want to see them in action moving a rigid structure. That roof you see in the photo they assembled, including all welds, on the ground and then hoisted it and positioned it on the pillars that are in the photo. TBF it is rigid, although with more give than a Qconn/cement building I guess - but all the welds were done so..... They needed three cranes due to the large footprint - the weight overall is very likely more than this building I want to move. They can obviously maneuver quite well also as the three of them coordinated to place it in a very exact spot. I was impressed anyway. Lmao on the 14-20m visual.????

Lol the overhead straddle was too much, obviously not for this job. Funny story I worked a factory build here and a few overhead straddles were installed. They then tried one - moving a die iirc, and the beams buckled and it collapsed onto the brand new shop floor and caused a lot of damage to other brand new equipment all installed and tested - not to mention the structural damage. Lol the project manager, no clue and that just became the norm thru much of the ranks and they paid for it. Luckily there were no casualties. Hoping that if I try this I can manage a smoother outcome, haha

Thx for the responses. I did stop by a site on my way home, they had three cranes at work hoisting up a steel roof that had been assembled on the ground. Talked to one operator and he said they sure can do it, need to get their planner out to see the ingress and assess the house and from/to so they know which crane to deploy, see photo of ones they were using today. So I am going to see what the cost will be and if it is worth it - have done this sort of thing when working but never had a chance to have it done personally, so if it is reasonable in terms of cost and risk, think I will have a go. Cheers

Yes the QConn blocks. But the foundation (raised) and the support pillars are all concrete so to me if you slide four steel beams (or more) under the base of the structure, then a crane could attach to those and lift it ever so slightly (it is already sitting on raised pillars) and just swing the crane to the new location. - if positioned properly the crane would not even have to move.....just swing. I think anyway, lol. I am not a structural engineer but i have seen this a lot on construction sites in other jurisdictions....indeed there are three cranes lifting and positioning a huge roof structure right near my house today...I may go and try to ask them...hope the Thai is enough to get by

Thailand is one of the most self sufficient economies there is, so import costs are as mitigated as they can be imo. Of course they dont produce everything, and do not have all raw materials in abundance, but here they have almost as much as anyone, overall.

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oh and there are sage people from the cw that can school them is that the implication? Ha, if so. There are no good examples of properly functioning 'democracies' in the english speaking world, currently, imo

Good day Has any of the community had any experience with picking up an existing building and moving it to a new location? Using a crane or other method? I have seen many videos of this being done in other countries but can not find an example here. We have an existing structure, 6m x 7m building, sitting on 1 m high pillars. I would like to move that building about 14-20m from where it is to a new spot in the yard. To me, it should be feasible to cut the pillars and use a crane, or other rolling method, to move the building intact to the new spot. Has anyone heard of or seen this done in Thailand? The building is, as mentioned, 6m x 7m and is made of Qconn 7.5cm so it is lightweight and I think should move easily - probably one crane could do it, but looking for comments from the community. Cheers

So is it the case that this service will now depart from Bkk rather than Sattahip? We tried to use it years back when everything was snarled from the flu, and never had success. This year we did our southern tour in January and tried to start with the ferry to Samui, but it was not in service. Then after a month plus on the orad we were in Samui and tried to take the ferry back to Sattahip, but it was....not in service. Unfortunately, I have had to shelve the idea of traveling on it as it has been years now and never can buy a ticket. Now if it is moving to Bkk then that makes it all the less likely. We will spend the next few years holidays going West, East and North so it will be some years before we look to go south again...see what things look like then. Nice to see it has found some niche in the market, but we were just never destined to use it I guess, so hard to get onboard just had to move on. Good luck

I dont even remember what a TM30 is.....I go every 90 days to the imm office and hand them the paper they gave me the time before and they give me a new one with a date 90 days on. We travel around Thailand constantly and I have never had issue, we book rooms or camp as we see fit. Since we have such a pristine and comfortable imm office, I do not even bother with online reporting, its nice to drop by every 90 days actually.

This looks like a potential great solution. I found this thread tonight as I have a brand new floor just laid that they had to replace 20% of the tiles two days after job completed, they were full of gaps. Now there is one tile left to fix and I want to try this product, in case I need it in the future. Found it on Lazada with mixed reviews. Anyone else have experience with this? Cheers