Oneman

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A rising tide lifts all ships.

What happens when the tide starts falling?

Older men with money get a warm welcome here.

In Thailand, to have "fortune," automatically gives "big face".

But everywhere in our "home" countries, fortunes are falling.

Investments, pensions, home values, and currency exchange rates, all are in decline.

So, what of our future here when expats in aggregate have a lot less money than before?

What sort of "face" will we have?

What sort of welcome we get in Thailand?

Here's a sobering quote from a newsletter I receive.

(Since it is paid subscription, I won't give the source here, but will provide it on private request.)

In Australia, median retirement savings of men 60-64 is $33,000. ... This is after a lifetime in the workforce. ... The roughly equivalent figure for men aged 55 in the US was a median of $25,000 in 2006. It is undoubtedly lower now. ... As for money in liquid assets and/or cash, most Aussies and Americans don’t have enough to see out a month of “normal” expenditures should their salaries and/or their government cheques be cut off. Most of the other “wealthy” nations would show similar numbers.

Men "back home" who are approaching retirement now and want to live in Thailand, have much less money to bring over here than we did in the recent past.

Those who are already expats here now, will have less, too.

The tide is ebbing.

I predict that the falling tide of expat fortunes will negatively reflect on all expats here.

Seriously affect.

As fortunes decline, even those who are still afloat will suffer from the falling "face" of our fellows.

I welcome discussion -- especially contrary conclusions --either on the open forum or in private email.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Here is a superb video of the Bangkok auto show -- which is open until April 6.

Almost like being there.

Plus, insightful comments by the narrator.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Once in awhile, a topic comes up on ThaiVisa that I just don't understand at first.

But, with patience, understanding sometimes comes.

Two weeks ago a thread here offered a gushing review about CityLife, one of several English-language magazines in Chiangmai.

That gushing post blatantly promoted circulation and advertising for CityLife.

I think -- but am not sure -- that CityLife is an advertiser here, so I am grateful if they help pay to make this discussion forum available.

But, still, it was a strange topic, out of the blue, and I didn't understand.

... Citylife Magazine ... almost everybody in Chiang Mai - who can read - wants a copy and makes sure to look through it every month. ... I always advise business owners ... that Citylife is the place to advertise if you want to make sure that your advertisement will actually be seen. A lot of the local magazines just sit on a table somewhere and are pretty much ignored. ... Citylife is real asset to Chiang Mai. Everybody loves the Thai owner who understands both Thai and Western culture so well and they also advertise on Thai Visa so she obviously knows what she is doing when it comes to business. It would be difficult to recommend Citylife Magazine too highly.

Link:

Can't Get Enough CityLife Magazines

Today understanding arrived.

The new edition of CityLife has a large, gushing, feature about Gecko Books, the business (I assume) owned by the poster of the comments above.

You can see it here: http://www.chiangmainews.com/ecmn/viewfa.php?id=2824

I think -- but am not sure -- that Gecko Books is also an advertiser here, and so I very much appreciate if they, too, are providing financial support of this forum.

CityLife magazine and Gecko Books are two big names in little Chiangmai.

Nothing wrong with everybody promoting each other -- that's good for business and good for forums, too.

But when advertising masquerades as a forum topic -- without disclosing an interest -- that's grist for discussion.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

Lemon Tree, on Huay Kaew road across from the Shell gas station ... I used to go there ......... neither of us noticed it was gay

I never noticed either, and I've been multiple times (but not in recent months).

Lemon Tree has far better food than anyplace I know inside Gad-Suan-Kaew shopping center, so if I'm over there and it's time to eat, I prefer to head to Lemon Tree.

But is it a "hide-away" during the hot season?

Hardly.

Usually busy, often noisy with groups of Thais celebrating something -- the sort of place for a quick meal and then leave.

Not the sort of "hide-away" that T-Dog asked for in his OP.

In that area of town, I'm surprised no one has suggested The Pub, on Huay Kaew road.

It certainly qualifies as a quiet, "hide-away" for a hot-season afternoon.

Superb "pub grub".

Plenty of parking right at the front door.

And I think The Pub might serve beer, too.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

Seems homophobia is alive and well in educated expat circles.

A cool setting for lunch on a hot day is very appealing, so I'm interested in the topic here.

The OP likely had no knowledge about the "gay" links to his original recommendation.

But if I find second opinions which might be useful to other readers of this forum, I'll continue to post them.

Among readers of ThaiVisa are a significant number of Christians.

Christians don't bother with slurs like, "homophobia" -- they simply consider sodomy to be an "abomination".

I don't want to eat in that kind of environment, nor will I support such businesses as a customer.

There are others reading this forum who have similar values, I am certain.

Brix, in the Montri Hotel, I've recommended several times before, so no need to say much about it yet again.

But I offer Brix as a high standard of comfort, cleanliness, and quality food.

Where else might be up to that standard?

I've mentioned coffee shops in general, because they are consistently cool and comfortable.

The Black Canyon chain serves light meals at some of their shops.

So -- in answer to the OP's original questions -- that's another option, with many locations around Chiangmai.

(However, while the iced coffee is fine, I don't enjoy the food at Black Canyon.)

Like the OP, I'd like to find out about other places that are appealing for hot season hide-a-ways.

And I will keep checking for second opinions.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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With any recommendation on the Internet, always helpful to get a second opinion.

(Thank you, Google.)

In the quote below is another recommendation of "Kiat Num", mentioned above.

But the quote below mentions another aspect which is NOT disclosed in the OP.

The web page link below lists other restaurants we see recommended repeatedly here on the Chiangmai forum.

Helpful to understand the reasons why certain restaurants seem to be mentioned again and again.

For a hot season hide-away, Brix in the Montri Hotel is air-conditioned, clean, and offers quality food.

Early afternoon will be quiet, too.

But you won't find much to eat there for 50 baht.

And don't go to Brix on a Sunday: walking street madness starts mid-afternoon.

My favourite approach to hot season hide-aways is the coffee shops: Wawee, Starbucks, and the many non-chain shops.

Many are air-conditioned.

All offer clean, comfortable seating.

Most offer Wi-Fi.

Since coffee shops are almost everywhere in Chiangmai, there's no need to travel very far in the heat, just to go to a certain place.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Kiat Num

This is the gathering spot for the hi-so

gay

Thai gay crowd in Chiang Mai, and it is usually packed with

gay

Thai professionals and students. They serve very good Thai food and some Western favorites including a German pork loin. They also have a full espresso bar. The bar is owned by Eddy, Chiang Mai’s favorite “big” sister. Eddy speaks fluent English and he is a great source of information for all of the

gay

happenings in Chiang Mai and knows of all the hot

gay

spots popular with local Thais. He is also an expert on the local

gay

massage scene. Open from lunch until 10pm. It is located in the trendy Nimman district close to the

gay

area.

Soi 11 Nimmanhemind Road

Phone: (0) 5321-8530

http://www.outinchiangmai.com/eat.html

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Your opinion would be moronic even for a five year old

When I see that sort of post, it reminds me about a valuable feature of this forum, the "ignore user" feature.

I'll mention it here so others can start to use it and enjoy the benefits.

And, of course, the ignore user functions works just as well on my User ID.

So anyone who considers my opinions to be "moronic", can start right now to enjoy a moronic-free experience here on Thai Visa.

Just follow the easy, step-by-step instructions that I have made available on my member profile page.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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American, Brit, Canadian and Aussie women tend to have the nerve to consider themselves the man's equal

F1 brings forward an important point.

It's true.

In the past 20 years or so, the concept of woman's equality has spread everywhere in English-speaking countries.

But not here in Thailand.

In the past 20 years or so, millions of men from English-speaking countries have made the effort to travel to Thailand.

Primarily for the Thai women, who don't have the nerve to consider themselves the man's equal.

Thankfully, men have a choice.

The millions of women left behind may not be so pleased about that, but they do consider themselves the man's equal, don't they.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Please, no racial profiling or other stereotypes.

Thanks very much indeed

SC

Cowboy --

You might notice that the title of this thread is a stereotype -- a generalization about Thai women.

It is exactly that stereotype that has motivated millions of men to travel to a far side of the world.

On the other hand, if you want to be a missionary for political correctness, you will find a fertile field in the "Ladies in Thailand" section.

So much stereotyping over there that you'll be busy posting "pleases" for a very long time.

I hope you'll let us know if you have any success in reaching your objective.

Now, please, back to the benefits of Thai Women.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

Thai women are no different than any other women in the world,there are some minor cultural differences but nothing significant.

Please allow me to offer a very different opinion.

Thai women offer good, bad, and in-between.

But American, British, Canadian, Aussie women?

Take a random sample of any of those, and see what you get in the way of attitude.

See if you get any of the love and caring described in many posts on this thread.

Compared to Thai women, you'll find almost nothing worth keeping in that lot.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Expats who already know Fred, will understand.

For those who don't, please let me introduce him.

He has come to Thailand more times, over more years, than most of us.

But he lives in Mexico.

Fred writes ... sometimes about expats.

When he does, it's worth reading.

Worth reading for better understanding of ourselves.

And worth reading, especially, for sharp reminders of what we left behind.

From Fred's latest essay about expats, I've prepared a short digest here.

You can do your own translation from Mexico to Thailand.

(For the full essay and more Fred, link is below.)

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Why Mexicans Don't Like Gringos

[Translation: Why Thais Don't Like Farang]

by Fred Reed, March 25, 2010

In the grand casino of existence, the deck is stacked against amity. Ain’t no kind of people likes any other kind. British Canadians hate the French. In the US, whites hate blacks hate browns. In India, Hindus hate Muslims. Irish Catholics hate Irish Prots. Diversity is a terrible idea. Nobody don’t much like nobody. That’s just how it is. ...

When you are in somebody else’s house, you mind your manners. Enough expats, usually women, don’t understand this. It doesn’t take many. For example: On the intercity bus ... an inattentive gringa missed her stop just outside of town and freaked out at the thought of going to the next stop and an hour away. She began yelling, and I mean yelling, at the driver to stop. He didn’t understand her, this being Mexico where the language, surprisingly, is Spanish. She turned abusive and screamed—this is verbatim—“You are the worst! You suck! You are the worst!” This in front of a busload of Mexicans. I refrained from strangling her, and have regretted it ever since.

Then there is money. Many, perhaps most, gringos here ... flaunt their dough or, more correctly in most cases, seem to be flaunting it because they can’t imagine the Mexican perspective. You see BMWs, flashy SUVs. The owners of these Cleopatrian barges don’t mean to offend.. Perhaps they think they have earned what they have, and mean to enjoy it. To Mexicans who work for a living, and not that hot a living, the (to them) lavish display is easy to resent. Very easy.

American women, greatly more than their husbands, want to turn Mexico into a replica of the United States, a transformation which Mexicans astoundingly do not find desirable. In Mexico, there are bars which by tradition are for men only. Cellulitic dyed-blonde wrinkle whales shove their way in, expecting Mexico to rearrange itself for their convenience, and are hated for it. Hereabouts, if a bar-owner has a pooch, and said horror chooses to wander through, or curl beneath a table to sleep, it is regarded as a tragedy of lesser magnitude than the San Francisco earthquake. ... On three separate occasions, one of which I watched, a gringa has gotten her knickers in a twist about the Beast beneath the Table, perhaps fearing aerosol rabies, and begun yelling at the bartender. Self-absorbed meddlesome arrogance does not play well locally.

An American woman, studying Spanish with an acquaintance of my wife, complained to her teacher that because of economic straits in America she and her husband had barely been able to buy a ritzy house in Mexico and would have to put off buying a second car. The teacher later commented wryly, “I’m thirty-five and I’ve never owned a car or a house.”

A gringo I know, nice guy actually, tried to buy a computer part from a Mexican dealer, who didn’t have it in stock but offered to go to a nearby supplier and get it. The gringo told the fellow to pick up a coke and some potato chips (or some such) for him. Would you tell the proprietor of an electronics store in the US to buy snacks for you? But you see, all Mexicans are house boys.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/MexicansDo...keGringos.shtml

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... gangs / mafia, especially Asian and African, to force these young girls to do this. I have no idea her case, but I've read about many cases where they threaten to kill their famlies and so on.

Tokay -

Interesting speculation, and would explain a lot, if true.

Do you have any sources for those "many cases" you mentioned above.

Thank you.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

... head up to Doi Inthanan this time of year ... for clear, crisp air. The sky was blue and no smell of smoke.

That's an excellent idea.

Thank you, Sojourner, for posting about Doi Inthanon.

For those who've never been, it is cold at the top, and the wind makes the cold more intense.

I took both a sweater and a jacket, but the Thais had nothing but t-shirts.

They quickly came to regret that and retreated to the van.

The narrow, winding roads make it an exhausting trip for the driver, so I hired a tour van instead of driving.

Very comfortable that way.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Where can I get decent frankfurters in Chiang Mai?

Hans -

Here in Chiangmai you can find good sausage at RimPing supermarket in the produce section.

Note: that is not the deli counter.

The best quality brand I've found is "Bei Otto" -- a famous, German restaurant in Bangkok which makes its own sausages.

The closest to a frankfurter is Bei Otto's Vienna Sausage.

Not always in stock at RimPing, but if you can find it, I think you'll be pleased with the quality and flavor.

(It is German style, not American "ball park" or kosher style.)

But bring money: Bei Otto sausages are expensive, just like the restaurant.

Bei Otto web site.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

.. he probably WAS mortified ...at the loss of face ... He couldn't look you in the eye, much less say sorry, because that would only acknowledge his loss of face.

Excellent analysis.

Seems highly possible in situations like that.

Thank you for posting.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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As far as double and triple parking is concerned, it is just considered normal. And, those that leave their vehicles behind blocking others ... just don't care.

IanForbes' conclusion above altogether misses the hierarchical factor of Thai culture.

In a society where consideration for others is such a high value, how can it be "normal" to "don't care"?

It isn't.

To understand the situation, look carefully at who is doing the blocking and double parking.

The vast majority will be high-so people in high-so (expensive) cars.

The high-so here don't owe anything to the peasants, not even "greng-jai".

It's the hierarchy.

As for Westerners, we're not even in the hierarchy here.

We're owed nothing in the way of social consideration either, not from the hi-so.

Another portion of blockers and double parkers will be wanna-be-high-so, post-menopausal females, with big hair.

It's not so much they don't care, as they need to be seen as not caring.

For that sort, it's "face".

(Delivery trucks, especially ice delivery, are a separate factor, not counted here.)

Lots and lots of Westerners here have problems like the OP, whose problems along these lines seem never-ending.

They don't understand the culture here, so they retreat into feeling frustrated and angry.

A clear indication of that is name-calling, as the OP did when he used, "POS" (by which I think he means, "piece of shit").

Among long-stay expats, there are many who are perpetually frustrated and angry.

But understanding is available, and answers are, usually, quite simple.

Most answers to problems like this come from understanding Thai social values of hierarchy and face.

I'm always trying to improve my understanding, too, so I'm happy for more discussion on this topic, either on the public forum or in private messages.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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I got to my car in the car park and could not drive it out because someone had left there car parked in front of mine but did not put it in Nutrual. ... the guy just looks at my car and gets into his. ... no sorry or not even a sheepish look, nothing!

OnNut -

There are three, essential, pieces of information omitted from your OP, which will almost certainly shed some light on the problem.

1. What make and year of each car?
   
2. What is your age, and what is the age of the other car owner?
   
3. What sort of clothes were you wearing at the time, and what was the other man wearing?
   

That information will explain the relative status of the two people involved in this situation.

If the other person has higher perceived status than you do, in Thai culture he owes you nothing.

Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is that way.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

I've found that Thai's are unable to understand the concept of causing inconvenience to others. Whenever it happens (often) all you get is a blank stare of incomprehension.

I've observed exactly the opposite: that most Thai's, most of the time, are very careful to avoid inconvenience to others.

There is even a word in Thai for this: "Greng-jai" -- loosely translated means, "consideration for others".

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

This is an expat site, and we need to know these sorts of things.

"OnNut" is eactly right.

I wish we'd see more postings like the OP: helpful information, of interest to expats, from local businesses.

If the "advertising rule" is allowed a little slack, all the better for expats who want to know what's going on around here.

And I hope those businesses do make big profits, so they can continue in business and expand to better serve expats.

But if no profits, then no business, and no roast dinners for us.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

The main Amorn shop (at Icon Square Computer Plaza) also does minor electronic repairs.

(Or, at least they did in that shop before the remodel.)

So if you want a new plug added to an old cable, or a replacement component soldered in, they will do it while you wait.

Reasonable prices and careful workmanship.

To help find the place -- here's the name in Thai: อมร

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

I am not a Freemason, but knowing a little about their order, I am quite certain that any traveling Mason would be welcome at any lodge, anywhere, regardless of language.

There is no English-speaking Freemason lodge in Chiangmai.

The closest would be Bangkok, where there are at least three, active, English-speaking lodges.

And in Pattaya, there is an English-speaking lodge.

I have no information about French lodges.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Chiangmai repeatedly delights me, especially the amazing assortment of restaurants.

The Nimannoradee Grill in the Porn Ping Hotel not only is a surprise here on the edge of the jungle, but a double surprise here in the 21st century.

If you're old enough to remember a traditional "Grill Room" restaurant from the 1950s or '60s, you'll get the picture.

This restaurant reminds me of the Men's Grill in the Palace Hotel in San Francisco around 1960.

I'll bet the chef trained at someplace like that, and he hasn't changed a thing since then.

And that's just fine with me.

The menu and the ambiance offered at The Nimannoradee Grill are long gone from post-modern culture in The West.

But here in Chiangmai, frozen in time, one can still experience fine dining as it was in a traditional grill room of half a century ago.

When you get out of the lift on the 20th floor, you'll be greeted by a head waiter/captain in a black suit -- in former times, certainly would have been a tuxedo, but still a nice effect today.

The decor is soft, mellow, and inviting.

The focus is on relaxation and comfort, with a pleasant hush in the room.

You don't see any of the harsh primary colours, sharp edges, or clanging sounds so common in modern restaurant design.

The music when I arrived was vintage Peggy Lee.

And that shouldn't ever be changed.

Except it was.

Soon after I arrived, the soft and charming sounds of Peggy Lee were replaced with a live piano player, who couldn't play.

I mean, he really couldn't play the piano.

But don't let even that stop you.

There is still much to enjoy.

The chairs are rounded, with arms for comfort -- unlike the upright, rigid, chairs of most modern restaurants.

And a pillow at each chair ... ahhh.

So what about the food?

The menu offers a variety of steaks, chops and seafood -- traditional grill room fare.

There is a mixed grill that is branded, "American mixed grill" even though I've never seen such a thing anywhere in America.

By rights, it should be called, "Australian mixed grill," the sort that is everywhere, down unda.

I started with Caesar salad, and it has been years, maybe decades, since I've had a Caesar salad prepared in the traditional way:

all the ingredients neatly placed on a cart, which is then rolled over to your table.

The captain carefully prepares as you watch.

I counted 15 ingredients, including egg yolk and bacon.

Alas, no anchovies, but, still, the performance and the salad were very enjoyable.

My entree was roast duck.

In addition to the usual orange sauce, there was a choice of mango sauce, which I selected.

It was mild and delicately sweet, but it didn't quite go with duck.

The slightly piquant taste of orange would have been a better compliment to the duck.

The duck was roasted perfectly: done through but still juicy.

Most fowl I've had in Thai restaurants is under-cooked.

I've had enough roast chicken here that is still raw inside, that I won't order that any more.

And in Chinese restaurants, just the opposite, overcooked until dry.

But none of those problems here; the duck was cooked just right.

And the portion was very generous -- so much duck that I almost didn't finish it all.

(But I managed.)

It's only fair to mention that the duck almost certainly was prepared in advance and refrigerated or frozen.

No Western-style restaurant like this in Chiangmai would have enough orders for roast duck that they can prepare fresh every day.

However they prepared it, the flavour and texture held up very well.

Vegetables were a large assortment of fresh, steamed carrots, peas and corn.

Plus potato croquettes, deep fried to a perfectly golden-brown crust.

The quality and flavour of the potatoes were excellent, but I'm almost certain they would have been frozen -- so much easier that way than to prepare mashed potatoes from scratch every day.

The presentation was wonderfully simple: just food on a plate, neatly arranged.

And the plate was a standard, traditional, dinner plate, not some huge, heavy slab of white pottery.

There were no spikes of vegetables poked into the food.

No round molds used to shape the vegetables.

No dribbles of sauce around the edges of the plate to give the illusion of more food that there really was.

None of that nouvelle-fusion nonsense.

Just honest food on a plate, the way food used to be served before nouvelle-fusion became trendy.

For dessert my first two choices were not available.

And that gives a clue to the future of this restaurant: time is passing by and customers are fewer and fewer.

Less and less choices will be available everywhere on the menu, and that is happening already in the dessert section.

My first choice for dessert was Neapolitan pastry.

That has to be fresh, which means there must be customers coming in and ordering it regularly.

But it wasn't available.

My second choice was creme brule.

Again, needs to be made fresh every few days.

Also not available.

I settled for vanilla ice cream with fruit salad.

It was perfectly fine:

Good quality ice cream (not Wall's or Nestle), fresh fruit, a dab of whipped topping (not real whipped cream).

It was fine, but nothing special.

And it was a slightly sad end to the meal, because it portends the future for this restaurant.

Next time I won't bother with a dessert there.

Service was well-trained and unobtrusive: a rare combination in this part of the world.

Thais usually think that service, to be "good", must be seen and heard at all times.

But not here.

Waiters were alert, but alert from behind -- where they should be -- not close and in my line of vision.

Dishes were placed and removed properly -- incoming on the right, removed from the left.

My drink was refilled as needed.

I was impressed with the service.

One reason could be that all the waiters were men.

No women working the dinning room.

Are men better at service?

Whenever I've found outstanding service at a fine restaurant, the dining room staff has always been all men.

The service here wasn't outstanding, just very, very, good.

And out here at the far edge of civilization, that's plenty to make me happy.

Next on my agenda at The Nimannoradee Grill would be one of the steaks.

I'm sure the quality and preparation will be excellent.

I've been noticing that some other restaurants in Chiangmai are starting to cut corners on food quality.

(I've previously mentioned the restaurant in the Kantary Hills Hotel as an example of that.)

But Nimannoradee Grill seems to be holding up well in quality.

Not everything on the menu is still available, but what is -- judging from my one meal there -- is very good.

The Pornping Tower hotel itself is an aging dowager from the boom and crash in Thailand in the middle '90s.

Thais don't understand maintenance so the hotel's image has slipped a lot in the past 15 years and it will continue on down-hill.

And that's reflected in the restaurant, too.

The carpet should have been changed 5 years ago.

There's dust on the light fixtures too high for the maid to reach.

Someone forgot to polish the brass railings in front of the windows; forgot since several years already.

But don't let those small things stop you from enjoying the superb food and the ambiance.

Dinner described above: 700 baht, but without cocktails or wine.

An excellent value for the quality offered.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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"B2S" stores carry a large selection of art papers.

You can find those stores in the main department stores in both big malls:

• Central Department Store (Gad-Suan-Kaeo mall)
  
• Robinsons (Airport Plaza mall).
  

The B2S stores are on the top floor at each location.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Money and power have very little to do with that. Money and power DOES attract women, no doubt, but not necessarily sexually.

IanForbes -

I appreciate your polite debate on this topic.

However, all my observations indicate that the most potent "Viagra" for women -- and I do mean sexually -- is ample money or power.

Just ask former US President Bill Clinton.

Of course, there are always exceptions -- and I, personally, am encouraged that a man of your age is one of them.

Encouraged, because I am in the same age range.

Back in my "homeland", all the Viagra in the world wouldn't attract many women.

But the power of my position (it was just small power, really), and a little display of my money, attracted more female attention than I wanted or needed.

Moreover, money and power are natural products -- we don't need a doctor's prescription.

For men like Ian Forbes, who don't even need any of that, you have my respect and admiration.

I'd love to know how you do it.

Being handsome is probably a big part of your success.

I'm not handsome, and can't change that, so, I play the game with money and, in Thailand, with my white skin, instead of Viagra.

It's so easy here, eh?

Oh, and for those who think I'm talking about prostitutes when I say, "money", that's not it at all.

An attractive, somewhat expensive condo is plenty "potent" Viagra among Thai ladies.

So is a somewhat expensive car.

And certainly, a long weekend for two at a very nice hotel in Singapore qualifies as "money".

While Thai ladies don't appreciate the food in the fine restaurants that I enjoy, when they see the prices on the menus it is as effective as Viagra.

Alas, condos, cars, travel, and fine dining are not cheap.

Viagra is far more "cost effective".

So maybe there is something to be learned from the "hunt for female Viagra".

What do you think?

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Oneman, I'm sure you are very attractive to a certain kind of thai women & good luck to you but of you think that gives you carte blanche to be rude in the ladies forum then think again. I suggest you take your chip elsewhere if you wish to continue being able to contribute to the ladies forum then have a read of the rules at the top of the page & bide by them.

Thank you, Boo, for sharing your feelings here.

Any man on Thai Visa could use Boo's comments as a response to Sheryl's post above, with equal validity.

He might post something like, "Sheryl, I'm sure you are very attractive to a certain kind of man & good luck to you but if you think that gives you carte blance to be rude to the large numbers of men on the Thai Visa forum then have a read of the rules at the top of the page & abide by them."

But, in my opinion, that would be rude, so I enter it only as an hypothetical example, not as an actual rebuke.

One of the main reasons I love being a white man living in Thailand is there is really no need for female Viagra here.

Perhaps, as a "recreational drug" it's interesting to Thai women -- but I doubt it.

The Thai women I've known seem to have no need whatsoever.

My thanks to the original poster (a man, I'm sure) for opening the topic of Viagra for women.

I've learned quite a bit from this topic -- including quite a bit about Western women, as well.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai