Oneman

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Thanks to many people who have posted (and flamed), about The Red Lion pub.

Some posting about it, without mentioning the name.

I decided to go and see for myself what all the fussing and all the mystery was about.

Glad I did.

Here's my review:

It's is a common problem for any expats here who have friends visiting from abroad:

Where to take them in Chiangmai that has good food, polite and mature surroundings, and an upbeat atmosphere that is not loud or hectic?

Just this week, I faced -- once again -- exactly that situation with a visiting friend.

I decided to try The Red Lion pub for our supper.

Between the two of us we are a blend of Brit, Canadian, Aussie, and American.

That qualifies us to eat anything, and to have opinions about everything.

The Red Lion has a surprisingly varied menu of pub grub, plus some Thai food.

Even offers lamb chops and a substantial t-bone steak, which you are not likely to find in the average pub.

I didn't bother with the Thai food, because we can get that everywhere.

I ordered cottage pie.

Menu claimed it was home-made.

I believe it.

Generous portion of tasty mince beef with peas in a mild gravy -- not overly salty, thank you.

Mash potatoes out of a box, but of good quality, so no complaints there.

Visiting friend ordered bangers and mash, and proclaimed they were more than acceptable.

I suspect -- but don't know for sure -- that the bangers were "Waitrose" brand, which is the usual in British restaurants around the world.

Fine with me.

Waitrose (if I'm correct about that) is always good quality, if a little bland.

However, there are locally-made sausages available in Thailand.

With the high quality and delicious flavour of the pork here, I would hope for a local sausage.

But we don't go to a pub expecting gourmet grub.

For dessert I ordered apple pie and ice cream.

That was a mistake I won't repeat again.

The apple pie was so much under-cooked that the pastry had the texture of raw dough.

The ice cream was a poor choice of quality.

There are places where a restaurant can economize on food ingredients, but not on the ice cream.

Lack of quality is immediately obvious.

So don't bother ordering the apple pie or the ice cream.

Next time I will sample some other dessert.

What about the beer?

Sorry, I have no idea.

I don't drink alcohol, and visiting friend ordered fruit juice.

Atmosphere at The Red Lion was bright and lively, without being overwhelming.

Music was a delightful selection of "oldies" from the 50's and 60's -- I really enjoyed that.

A little bit too loud for relaxed conversation.

But that actually worked out to my advantage, because visiting friend is a chronic talker.

So I just pretended to pay attention, whilst really tuned into the delightful oldies music.

Other patrons seemed a blend of affluent tourists and affluent local expats.

It was a pleasure to see proper clothing, recent haircuts, and reasonably decent manners at most tables as well as at the bar.

I didn't see any singlets or dirty t-shirts.

No sullen, slovenly, backpacker-types either.

In other words, none of the riff-raff that fills such bars as Mad Dog's and John's Place.

For seating, the Red Lion offers an outside deck with an up-close view of a small soi in the heart of the Night Bazaar.

For visitors to Chiangmai, sitting out on the deck would be fascinating and exciting.

For me it would be boring.

So I headed directly inside to find the best table in the place.

It was the table right between two fans.

Fans are important, because inside is open to the outside, so there is no air conditioning.

Service was quicker than I would expect for that sort of place in that sort of location.

In most places around here, the Thai waitresses just wander off somewhere, and you don't see them when you want them.

But, at The Red Lion, the waitresses were alert, quick, and always looking around to see if customers were lacking anything.

Nice.

I could moan and complain about the location, but I won't.

The streets were crowded, of course.

The Night Bazaar at 7:30 PM during high season is not my idea of a good time.

But that wouldn't be fair.

This is Chiangmai.

One reason many people come here is to experience exactly that location.

Now, by comparison, I have been 'round to other pubs, seeking a comfortable place that is suitable for taking visitors.

The Pub, out on Huey-Kaeow Road, is pleasant, but it's very much a "local" with its own group of local customers.

The few times I've been there, it seemed that anyone who hadn't already fitted in, wouldn't fit in.

Plus, nothing exciting there, beyond the inevitable sport on television.

The Queen Vic is similar to The Pub in most ways, except with even fewer customers and less excitement.

I couldn't find any reason to return.

Mad Dog's is home to a large contingent of down-at-the-heels, Cheap Charlies.

Not a place where I'd take a visiting friend.

Not a place where I'd go myself; not again.

Chiangmai Saloon -- both locations -- does have some life in the neighbourhood, but inside the saloon is just another bar: dull.

And the food is awful -- judging from the hamburger I was served at the Loi Kroh location.

Where else might be of similar caliber and similar entertainment value as The Red Lion?

I haven't found any place with that combination of atmosphere, location, tasty food, and pleasant customers.

If someone has other suggestions, I hope you'll post here.

Thanks again, to those who have been posting about The Red Lion.

You have alerted me to very enjoyable pub in the middle of Chiangmai.

-- Oneman

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Better than at Love at First Bite?

Ah, that's a very good question.

And a difficult question to answer.

Needs further research, extensive further research.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Here in Chiangmai many shops offer cakes and pastries.

They often appear delicious, but, at first bite, you realize that, yet again, the Thai cooks didn't get it quite right.

The frosting tastes like Crisco (vegetable oil shortening).

They scrimped on the sugar.

And texture is too dry.

Or they didn't bake long enough, so the pastries come out under done, as is usual at Kasem Stores.

Overall, tempting appearance, but taste and texture leave a lot to be desired.

So, it was with much pleasure that I have tested -- and tested again -- pastries from DeNaga restaurant, in front of the DeNaga hotel on Moonmeuang Road.

The banana tart is made with perfectly fresh bananas: not too green, not too ripe, but just right.

Topping is honest whipped cream, not some "Cool Whip" concoction out of a can.

The crust is crumbled Oreo chocolate cookies.

The lemon meringue tart is both sweet and very tart.

The meringue on top is light and fluffy and just-right sweet.

The lemon pudding doesn't have the chemical taste of a package mix, but I'd have to say it is a package mix, albeit very good quality.

Not everything is remarkable, but nothing I've tasted so far is bad.

The brownie is adequate, but that's all I can say.

The cream cheese tarts are good, just nothing special.

I'm quite sure both the cream cheese filling and the toppings are out of cans.

But the ultimate treasure is the chocolate cake, there labeled "tuxedo cake".

I'm sure it's from a prepared mix, but, again, a good quality mix.

The texture is very moist and just slightly sweet.

The frosting is a mild, dark chocolate glaze, over a thin layer of white cream frosting.

This is as good a chocolate cake as my mum used to make.

And, as with mum's cake, I keep going back for more.

Now, at the DeNaga restaurant, I am recommending only the pastries.

I've eaten at the restaurant only once.

While the meal was pleasant, is was not memorable -- nothing worth posting about.

Location of DeNaga restaurant:

On Moonmeuang Road, just South of Top North hotel.

183 meters South of ThaPhae gate, inside the moat.

Soi Ratchamanka #2.

That soi goes off at an angle from Moonmeaung Road, behind "John's Place" bar.

Head for the DeNaga hotel, the restaurant is right in front.

If you get there to find the chocolate cake all gone, well, sorry, but I got there early.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

A WARNING ... internet banking! I did and someone tried to get funds from my account in the UK. ...It was a paid for proxy server.... it only happened because I used the proxy.

Valuable warning from 'davidwright'.

Bank access back home is essential for many expats here.

What to do?

Staying within forum guidelines, I will carefully focus on email and banking only.

I have some experience with finding a proxy service, because I recently changed to a new one.

Perhaps my experiences will be useful to others here in Thailand who need banking access.

The proxy I'd been using for several years, started getting slower and slower.

I don't know why.

A paid service.

So I selected another proxy.

This new proxy, about 90% of the time wouldn't connect at all.

Trying to solve the connection problems, I went 'round and 'round with tech support at the proxy service.

They tried to be helpful, but they had no solution.

They explained that I was their only customer having these sorts of problems.

Since I'd only paid for one month, I decided to move on to try a different proxy service.

The third proxy service also offered a short, one-month subscription.

And they offered tech support.

Before signing up I sent a few questions to tech support -- response was quick and helpful.

So I paid for a month.

But, even there, could not connect at all.

Tech support at this proxy also explained that I was their only customer, in the entire world, with exactly these connection problems.

Part of tech support is a good forum of users.

Not all proxy services will offer a user forum, but, an active user forum is a huge benefit.

Not only is an active forum a good way to solve your problems, it is also a good clue to a legitimate service, rather than the sort of Internet hackers which 'davidwright' warned about above.

From using the forum I quickly learned that the proxy software I was using (free software), was notorious for bugs.

So I switched to a paid software program, recommended on the forum.

Now the software worked reliably, but I still could not make a connection to the proxy service.

I just needed access to my bank account to pay bills coming due back home, but still could not.

Finally, on the proxy forum, several users suggested that the ISP in Thailand may block the proxy.

How to find out?

What to do?

My solution was to get a different ISP from a different vendor here in Thailand.

And, suddenly, I could connect.

Now I can access my bank and investment accounts with no problems.

Their computers 'think' I am back in the home country.

Legal in Thailand?

I simply don't know.

Will I have the sort of problem warned about above?

Sure, it's possible.

However, I have done enough research that I think I have found a legitimate proxy service.

What I worry about more is WiFi.

Is some hacker "sniffing" the WiFi signals in my neighborhood -- trying to get banking passwords?

I don't know, but I'd rather take my chances with a proxy service, than trust WiFi.

So, for Internet security when doing banking, I'm placing my bet on the proxy.

In order to follow the forum rules, more discussion with me only in private email.

I've offered above some lessons learned, to be helpful to other expats here who need banking access.

But I will not recommend specific, proxy services; not even in a private message.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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if i sent an email to the UK from Thailand would it still show that that email was sent from the UK if my proxy server was a UK one.

Respecting the forum rules, I will stay carefully on the topic of sending emails.

The answer is, yes, your email will look like it was sent from the location of the proxy server.

So if the server is in the UK, your email will look like it was sent from the UK.

The location of your computer (and you) will not be shown at all.

There are easy ways to verify email headers to be sure that is the case, and I have done so.

Now a warning:

Some free proxy servers are "honey pots" for Internet criminals.

There is lots about this on various security web sites.

Far safer to pay a small monthly fee for a recognized service, than to risk a free proxy server.

In accord with forum rules here, that's all I will post in public.

Anything further must be in private messages or email.

If you send me email, don't be surprised if my email reply appears to come from Melbourne, or Toronto, or even London.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

...an interesting way to learn vocab by taking advantage of tones

StChris -

That is a brilliant technique!

And it greatly expands upon the classic, word play in Thai:

I just tried it by using "mother", and following the steps in the OP:

That technique will get lots of use from me.

Thank you, StChris, for posting.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Tamarind Village has a nice bar/restaurant and low-key ambience, especially in evenings. ... Lots of nice vegetation and old-style feel.

Here's a second to "justmaybe's" recommendation of Tamarind Village bar/restaurant -- serene and elegant -- truly an "oasis" in the middle of the city.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

As regards to a housekeeper, I would like to tell you of my experiences, to give you some idea of the risks involved. ... If you are a Farang, forget trying to employ a live in Nanny/housekeeper in Thailand, whether they are Thai or Burmese, it doesn't work.

Since this thread is about finding a housekeeper, I will offer a strong counter point to that post above.

First, I must admit that 'sassienie' was one of the first names to qualify for my "ignore user" list, so, normally, I don't see any of his posts.

However, since I have an interest in this topic, I opened his post above.

Reading that confirmed my original decision to "ignore user", but it got me thinking.

I've been an employer for over 40 years.

In that time, learned a lot about how to find and keep good people.

Here in Chiangmai, I have hired five locals, in various capacities.

In addition, the staff in my condo building includes six more locals, a combination of Thai, Burmese, and hill-tribe.

(Those are hired by the condo management, not me, but they do things for me.)

All have been diligent, conscientious, and polite.

Each of them has gone out of their way to be helpful.

Quite a contrast to Sassienie's horror story above.

Why might that be?

Around here (Chiangmai) I observe plenty of good people, willing and eager to work.

It could be that Sassienie's problems with staff say more about him, than about the local people.

My purpose here is not to abuse Sasseinie, but there are some clues in his post that he handled this in the wrong way.

The most glaring example of that is he hired by putting ads in a newspaper and at a job center.

That approach is guaranteed to attract the bottom of the barrel in job applicants.

Shows lack of understanding about Thai culture.

That is simply not the Thai way of hiring.

Why not?

In a culture where honesty and rule of law are weak, local people depend on social networks far more than Westerners would.

They hire only "known" people, never strangers from classified ads.

That way, if any problem, the employer can go back to the network of relatives, neighbors, and friends, to settle the matter.

And, with network connections from the start, chances of problems are far less.

In that light, for someone who is a new-comer here, with no personal connections yet, Maccheroncini's suggestion makes good sense:

A way to meet an array of housekeepers is to visit on of the condos like Hillside and ask around for the regular house keepers there. Some will work part time after they knock off at 5 pm. You get to see who you're hiring too.

-- Oneman

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After searching, I couldn't find any mention here of Brix restaurant in the Montri Hotel at Thapae Gate.

They remodeled some months ago, and the new restaurant is nothing like the old coffee shop in that location.

I ate there recently, for the first time since the remodel.

Just one lunch, but enough to know that I'll be going back.

My club sandwich as very nice -- the chicken and bacon were still warm.

I was pleased with the quality of ingredients: real chicken, not some chicken "loaf" product.

But what really impressed me was the apple pie.

Home made crust.

Lots of sweet-tart apples.

Crumble topping.

And just the right amount of sugar.

Thai cooks tend to skimp on sugar, so pastries here often don't taste quite sweet enough for Westerners.

But this apple pie was just right.

This would be a fine apple pie anywhere, but, here, in the middle of the Asian jungle, it is a "find".

I should have asked for it warm.

And with vanilla ice cream.

Next time.

My only complaint: the serving is too small.

I could have done with 50% more on the plate.

Otherwise, service was efficient; waiters and waitresses very much "on the ball".

Efficient air-con, too.

Bathroom sparkling clean.

Not cheap.

And that's another point in it's favor -- you don't see Cheap Charlie types hanging around.

Brix in the Montri Hotel is worth a try.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

PS - They also had lemon meringue pie which looked very tempting.

It was a difficult decision.

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Mr. Chans and Ms Pauline's. True Thai/New Yorkers. ... Chan's has the oven thing down.

If you are talking about Mr. Chan's on Huey Kaeo Road, near Phucom intersection, no, they don't "have the oven thing down".

Not when I ate there a few months ago.

The toppings were adequate, but the crust was bland and undercooked -- still doughy in the middle.

I'd say bland because of insufficient salt in the crust.

And probably used local soybean oil, or something like that, instead of more flavourfull olive oil.

As for being under-cooked, in general, Thai cooks have a tendency to under-cook most foods.

I've learned that to get a steak medium here, I have to order it well-done.

Same with the pizza at Mr. Chan's & Miss Pauline's: under cooked.

I didn't care for it, and haven't been back to try my luck again.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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I went to Koh Lanta Pizza on Nimman soi 5 a couple of weeks ago. ... They say they use a wood fired oven, but the pizza looked like it had been cooked in a microwave. It's safe to say I won't be going back.

Thanks for posting, Keo.

I've noticed Koh Lanta Pizza tucked away on Nimman 5.

Each time I pass by, I glance in, wondering if the pizza is any good.

And each time I see the same: lights on, doors open, but no customers.

After reading Keo's comments, I'm not going to try my luck there either.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

I'll have to give Rustica a shot- also right around the corner for me.

Don't expect much at Rustica.

The pizza is not bad, just very ordinary.

No way can it be the "best in Chiangmai" as the OP claims.

If it were serving pizzas back in the world, it wouldn't survive, but here, it might.

If you're in that part of town, and you are hungry for a pizza, okay.

But to make a special trip there, I wouldn't.

Err, well I did -- once -- but not motivated to go back.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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AIS have computer problems so if you are on package then you probably have been disconnect for over use of Internet.

You have to call 1175 and they will switch you on again.

Thank you, SM7WGP, for your post.

I am a new user of AIS 3-G and don't know how about that.

Do you have any more detail about how one gets disconnected for "over use"?

How to know when you are getting close to "over use"?

Thank you for any help on understanding how AIS manages customer usage for 3-G service.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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looking to hire somebody to come in a few times and give everything a good scrub from top to bottom, and then maybe once a week for maintenance.

Daniel -

I'm willing to lend you my maid for your project.

She'll clean from floor to ceiling, getting in all the nooks and crannies.

She'll go through the 'fridge and throw out any long-time left-overs that don't pass her sniff test for freshness.

While she's arranging your closets, if she sees any buttons that need sewing, she'll do that, too.

And, since you're not up to moving about, she'll jump on her motorcy and do your errands: shopping for groceries at TOPS, picking up your laundry, or taking a pair of shoes to be repaired.

As she works, you can expect to hear a steady stream of complaints -- in polite Thai -- that you should wipe the bathtub after you shower and you should not leave food out where it can attract ants.

If you do not understand Thai, maybe better for you.

If you do understand Thai, she's full of helpful and useful ideas for improving your household and your life.

And she has clear insight into "Thai ways", which I've found very helpful.

I don't take all her suggestions, but I've learned to listen carefully when she offers ideas.

She comes to my place one morning per week; about 4-5 hours.

I pay well above standard -- 100 baht/hour -- so she won't be tempted to leave me and go work for you.

But you don't need to offer quite that much.

If she was young and pretty, she'd make a superb wife, but she's not:

Age 40, married with a child, not at all pretty.

If that sounds useful, send me a PM with your phone number, and I'll pass it on to her.

Then it's up to her to contact you.

I believe she has open time, so if a few others are interested, can contact me, too.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Did you find anyone yet? I maybe would be able to help if it was a PC problem. I would like to be an IT consultant in Thailand. Ian

Thanks, Ian, for your offer.

This thread is not asking for one consultant, but for a method of finding consultants when you need them.

So far, there is no reliable method for connecting consultants and potential clients in Thailand.

Maybe setting up something would make a good project for you.

In the past, I've found consultants who post ads in expat newsletters or on such web sites as CraigsList.

I've also advertised, asking for a consultant for a specific situation.

But that's all been very hit-or-miss.

So far, no mention here of any reliable method of finding computer help, when you need it.

The few suggestions above -- like Google and other search engines -- are wide of the mark.

There may be an opportunity here, because Internet access is number three -- right behind air and water -- among the essential elements for expat life in Thailand.

In the past, the two best consultants I've found here have come from asking around.

Each charged 500 baht per hour.

In their specialties, they were quite good, but both have moved on, or else I wouldn't be here looking for a method of finding others.

On the other hand, the worst consultant was one very angry man who had ads up several places, but obviously couldn't do the work.

Yet he demanded to be paid any way; 1,000 for an hour of poking at my computer.

His manner indicated that if 1,000 baht was not forthcoming, there would be serious trouble.

I thought his was a rather clever scam.

So now you can see why I'm looking for a method of finding consultants when needed; something more effective than just posting on ThaiVisa for one response at a time.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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... change the job description ... from "consultant" to "computer guy". That's saved me a bundle so far.

Nowhere in the opening post do you see any request to "save a bundle".

The question on this thread how to find experts who can solve problems.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

Well, you can also try getafreelancer.com .

Thank you very much, "Smint".

That is the first post on this thread to show some promise.

I had a look at http://www.getafreelancer.com:

The site is world-wide.

It focuses on modest-size projects, rather than huge developments.

From a quick look, almost any skill that individual computer users here (Thailand) would need, could be found there.

I'm going to investigate more.

Thanks again, "Smint".

(And please let me know when you next get to Chiangmai: It will be my pleasure to "shout" your beer.)

What about other ways to find consultants, suitable for computer users in Thailand?

Especially for problems that are a little out of the ordinary, such as Macintosh and Internet security.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

Send me your email address to <snip> and I will put you in touch with a Apple mac IT engineer

//edit note: I suggest you send PM to member //WF

While I appreciate all efforts, I do evaluate each response on it's quality.

My purpose is to strongly focus on the discussion topic, not just have a free-for-all.

This one:

So, I'm still looking for productive solutions.

Not just for myself, but for hundreds or even thousands of computer users here on Thai Visa, who need to find computer help for various problems, at various times.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

...in my experience in the past clients with with vague objectives tend to be up to something like illegal behavior or just very difficult and unrealistic in their expectations.

Let's stay on topic and keep from personal attacks.

Thank you, Scott, for being "on watch" here.

"CobraSnakeNecktie" has qualified for my "Ignore User" list.

I won't see any more of his posts.

Back to the original topic: How to find computer consultant for problems which are above an elementary level.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

Thailand and Internet are hardly synonomous. ... Why would a consultant want to deal with you?

I always appreciate well-meaning advice, even if that advice comes down to, "It can't be done."

Now, please, back to the original topic.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

Well, I cannot believe you cannot find a Mac Support person in a city the size of CM... if they are all selling Macs, then they should have a Mac tech who should be able to help you out here? I'd be amazed if you need to fly someone in!

Maybe I should fly to Samui instead.

Yes, Chiangmai has a Mac store, but, as you can read in the original post, these are not standard, tech support problems.

It is not just a simple project of connect to Internet.

These are specific software tools.

It requires some expertise, along with fluent English, to understand the setup and to solve the problems.

This I have not yet seen among the staff at any Mac store in Chiangmai (or in Bangkok), where I have already been.

There must be a lot of people here on Thai Visa who have computer problems above the elementary level.

How can we find a more advanced level of support than is available in computer stores?

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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You might want to try

this

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"This" is merely Google, and that search resulted in 1,680,000 replies.

Maybe "Surface" dreams I will pay him to sift through 1,680,000 replies.

I hope it doesn't look like I am so ignorant as to need advice to use Google, or Craig's List, or other search engines.

I do need a way -- a method -- on how to find a consultant to solve problems already described above.

Many people here on Thai Visa have computer problems, but not computer expertise.

It would be very useful to know how to find this kind of help.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

try sites like

Elance

- On Elance for example you can navigate to administration or unix and see many professionals offering their services and a listing of their skills and prices.

While I am always grateful for suggestions, maybe my original post wasn't clear enough.

That "Elance" site is clearly aimed at big companies, doing big projects, with big software.

Search:

Macintosh OpenVPN PGP ...

Sorry, Elance could not find matching professionals.

I am just one man, with one MacBook, trying to connect to the Internet, in Thailand.

Where can I find one consultant who would be a good fit to solve my small problems about that?

I already know about the computer club here in Chiangmai.

Their meetings are pleasant, but that sort of casual chatter is not what I need.

I am seeking someone who knows Mac and Internet, and can set up OpenVPN and PGP here in Thailand.

The part about "in Thailand" seems to be the joker in the deck.

Of course, I expect to pay professional rates.

I would pay airfare to Chiangmai (from elsewhere in Thailand), and a weekend in a nice hotel here, for someone who really, really, knows what they are doing.

Thank you for any recommendations on how to go about finding someone like that.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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How do you go about finding a consultant for Macintosh & Internet in Thailand?

I'm tired of beating my head against the wall about using my Mac on the Internet here.

So I'll pay someone to beat his head against the wall, for a change.

I have a MacBook.

Want to set up OpenVPN, maybe PPTP, and, also PGP, but I don't know how.

How to find someone already familiar with those?

Not someone who will learn at my expense, but someone who already knows what to do.

Please don't bother suggesting computer stores.

They're are fine for refilling ink cartridges, but this requires a higher level of expertise.

Expertise which I don't have either.

Here's the key: he wouldn't have to be where I am. (I live in Chiangmai.)

With the Internet, a consultant could be in California, or maybe in India -- doesn't matter to me.

But how do you go about finding someone who has the expertise?

I'm at a loss.

Thank you for any suggestions.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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Is the Chiangmai Mail newspaper tending to suppress news about expats?

I don't know, so I'm asking here for observations.

Reason for asking:

There is a little email newsletter in Chiangmai which makes the rounds every weekend, "The Sunday Funnies".

It's a great source of jokes, and I always look forwarding to reading it.

However, in this week's edition, something very strange -- a break from the normal humor:

The Chiangmai Mail" has systematically eliminated news of the farang population. They have eliminated all articles and photographs of interest for the past month to the CHIANGMAI FARANG POPULATION.

If you'll note, there are hardly any photographs of farangs. The society page used to be mainly farangs and now there are none. This is an English language publication and they have lost sight of who their audience is. ...

Since the Chiangmai Mail is the local, English-language newspaper here, that's a significant statement.

So, I searched this forum for other comments on the Chiangmai Mail.

That turned up this URL:

Looks like the situation has been discussed here before.

However, clicking on the link brings up this error message:

So, I am asking regular readers of the Chiangmail newspaper, is the situation described above accurate, or not?

And, if it is accurate, is the trend significant for expats living in Chaingmai, or not?

Thank you.

-- Oneman

Chiangmai

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