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One friend of mine reported bathroom sex in a stall somewhere in BKK. I've heard of a certain place in ChiangMai where one gets propositioned to have it elsewhere. These are free quickies, I understand. But I doubt it's common, since Thais can go to a bath house/sauna for 65 baht each. Also heard of a vacant lot in CMai where folks go at night, and similarly in a remote province. But you're right, that a Thai toilet is not a fun place to linger. And, gay sex is not taboo here like it is in the West.

I believe its very common in Chiang Mai among Thai's, apparently there are many places where gay Thai's go late at night for some Thai on Thai action (especially if they've failed to pull a Farang - always first choice for obvious reasons). Either cruising grounds, or the internet cafe to scour the many Thai gay chat rooms for a "friend". 65 baht for the HIV house is still too expensive for most of them.

I'd heard they've even launched the "Gay" Honda wave especially for Chiang Mai - the fuel gauge always shows empty on Maneenoparaat road ! But beware if it's a Honda click....at least 500 Baht to refill the tank, maybe 1000 if its a white one And why do people only excercise at Sanam Gila after dark? Is it too hot during the day?

I guess the boys in brown do visit these places from time to time, but will usually accept services in lieu of tea money.

Joking aside, outdoor activity (and toilets) is pretty normal among the Thais from what I'd heard (Not my bag I hasten to add). The sad thing is it seems unsafe sex happens too regularly in such circumstances; the rate of HIV infections among the more promiscuous younger Gays in Chiang Mai who visit such places seems to be reaching alarming levels. Be careful.

I've purchased White cotton KS sheets from Peenang Mattress before at reasonable prices. IIRC they had different qualities of cotton available in 400-900 Baht price range; much better than outrageous prices at Central, Homepro etc and quality is good.

They have several shops in CM, one on Chiang Moi Road and a larger one with more choice at intersection of Rattanakosin and Assadathon (on left before Rattanakosin traffic lights if coming from Kamthieng).

I love the ad for Adams Apple, what a laugh; that's pure fanatasy, even when the club was at its best..... boy scouts and all

Had heard similar gossip about the sale, and also that the Pattaya Farang had been trying to pull out. Guess he realised he'd being fleeced.

10 million Baht investment in that part of Chiang Mai , you've gotta be crazy! I doubt any of the competition spent more than a couple of hundred thou at most on refurbishment, and I doubt they make big profits to justify anything higher. The building is a has been wreck and a fire trap (where but Thailand could you have an entertainment venue on the third floor of a building with only a narrow spiral staircase for access?), and its not exactly the nicest part of Chiang Mai either. If you got 10 million Baht spare to invest in real estate you'd be better putting it towards building a small apartment block to rent to students rather than some super club.

And the place has been shut for ten months already now, as Shan says, the loss of good will makes it a very poor proposition, I can't see it happening. And unless this Pattaya Farang is exceedingly well connected with those who matter in Chiang Mai, I don't see how he'll overcome other obstacles related to the original closure, or where he'll find staff willing to work there (Pattaya boys won't come up here for the meagre pickings to be had in Chiang Mai!). I don't envy him one bit, perhaps his first investment should be some body guards and a bullet proof vest!

I tend to agree with the OP and people should take care, I'm sure his warning is not unfounded.

I can cite two personal experiences in the last year in Soi 4 where I've suddenly began feeling really drunk and disorientated; far in excess of what could be expected for a modest amount of alcohol that was consumed. On both occasions the same dodgy individual was hanging around.......

Luckily I've realised it was time to leave and staggered home, waking up with no problems other than a severe headache, much worse than would be expected from alchohol alone.

Whilst I have no definite proof my drink was tampered with, I can't offer any other explanation. These events together with warnings from Thai friends have made me less likely to visit these venues, and to be much more cirumspect when I do.

Has anybody gone for an HIV test around here ? I'm sure there are a few places. I usually ge tested every couple yrs or so. Usually back in the States. But this time I'd like to do it here. I prefer the cheek swab to the blood drawing methods. Anybody know who does the best, fastest testing, and for the right prices ? Please let me know. Thanks.

Believe the Red Cross offers anonymous HIV testing service. They are down on the river near Nakorn Ping Bridge between US consulate and Warowot Market. Anonymous clinic is upstairs, separate from the normal registration/reception.

You can get results in 24 hours for about 100 Baht, or within 30 mins for about 200 Baht. Not tried personally but have heard good reports.

Closed since around July 2006.

Rumours are it's already been sold to a Farang from Pattaya. Sign on the door says "opening soon" - last I heard April/May but I suspect that will never happen unless the issues relating to the original closure are resolved.............

Night Bazzar still lively but there are other places to go, I updated the pinned list at the top of Forum with current information if you wanna know more.

I do not know when was the last time you were out on the town but you are way out on all of the places you have cited.

In Bangkok only, Yes bar and restaurant went belly up 4 years ago and so did Tabou 2 years past. Roxy is an non event for at least a year. What about Hamilton's, @Richard's and G.O.D on Soi 2/1?

The list is too long for correcting all of this this posting.

Chiang Mai list is disapointingly out of date too. I thought its time someone corrected this so the following is a current update to the original Chiang Mai content (March 2007) if its of interest to anyone. Info based on comments from friends (mainly Thai) and some personal knowledge:

CHIANG MAI

GAY FRIENDLY BARS & RESTAURANTS & KARAOKE

2 Style Bar/Restaurant - In large and busy soi off Ratchawichit Road - entrance to the soi is the same side as The Irish Pub and about 100 yards further on walking west, i.e. away from the moat. Look for the rainbow flag hanging outside.

"Caution - June 12 - the place is now in new hands and/or may close shortly and open as something else."

"Different kind of place from the MB bars at the Night Market etc. More mixed and laid back - and no "offs" as such. Easy parking. Good food, friendly atmosphere and Thai prices for most of the drinks & all of the food. They could work on their music selection, though!"

> Closed down a long time ago, several of the old staff still work in other bars.

Garden Bar at the Lotus Hotel - opposite Adam's Apple.

Very friendly and comfortable place to meet other farang as well as Thai guys. The drinks are very reasonable and its very cruisy with the Adam crowd and the snooker hall next door. The Garden Bar parties are set to resume in August. They are held the first saturday night of each month at 7:30. Good place to meet people. One free drink, snacks and door prizes plus one speaker or performer and usually a band or musician. Most people go up to Adam for the show afterwards.

> Still good but much quieter since Adam shut, still popular with the pool hall boys - helps if you can speak Tai Yai!

Soho Bar - Huay Kaew

"It is more like a Balcony or Telephone. Nice plave to relax and meet people. No hosts and no offs. They have game nights where you can meet lots of the locals."

> "Changed hands a few weeks ago, heard a rumor that the buyer changed at the last minute and its now going Str8 as a guest house. Dunno how true this is. Last few months its being dying anyway"

RELAX - Karaoke

"Fun and open late..!"

> Great place if you're in the know - but not somewhere for new in town lone Farangs, best to go only with Thai friends. Also be careful - can get violent when the Thai's overdose on 100 Pipers".

Other places new to list:

Mai Paeng - late night local restaurant (Thai food only)

"Popular after bar restaurant, many off duty MBs go there, fun and cheap but you need to speak some Thai or go with Thai friends, haven't checked it out for a few months though"

Mandalay - Disco (AKA Mandagay by Thais)

"Extremely popular with young gay Thais - this is the place everyone goes; but the owner hates Farang and they are very unwelcome unless with "connected" Thais, its also a place for group drinking - single middle aged Farang wallflowers look very sad and conspicuous"

Kudos

"New Gay bar (Summer 2006) has both outdoor beer bar area and Smart A/C lounge"

Glass Onion

"Upmarket air conditioned wine bar - very smart and friendly"

HEUAN AI BAU

"A personal favourite - Gay friendly local outdoor bar/restaurant, junction of Santitham and Tewan, great food and friendly staff, very resonable prices"

GAY GO-GO BARS

Adam's Apple

"is reportedly open for shows again (almost as good as in BKK)"

"Still the best in my opinion. Well controlled and best show"

> "Shut since mid 2006, conflicting rumours about when/if it will ever reopen and much gossip about what went on - I'm a newbie so gonna keep my mouth shut as I don't like dodging bullets"

Doi Boy

"Run as fast as you can.."

> "real dive with very few customers - an advantage if u wanna be discreet; if you don't scare easy you might find some hidden treasure - trust me"

Fan Club

"(avoid, IMHO)"

"Be afraid, be very afraid!"

> " Long gone......"

New My Way

"Boys are too aggresive and will ask you for drinks and sit without being invited. The manager does not control the boys"

>"Nothing much has changed.......probably the best selection of boys in CNX...but still needs a good Mamasan, also too dark to see what that boy who just sat next to you even looks like! Has a long show, but too many "chicks with dicks in dirty frocks" doing lip sync"

Circle Pub

"Good but a bit too formal."

> "more for the muscle lover"

TGB

"Check your bill and your change carefully"

> "Dunno if this is still open"

Free Guys

"Not bad. Maybe a little inconsistent."

> "probably the raunchiest show in CNX, but they put the prices up to BKK levels in Nov 2006 and its nothing like a BKK bar or a BKK show. If you get bored can always play spot the gay boy - not easy....... the bar tender's cute though, and the Tai Yai guys are well endowed"

Coffee Boy

"Not even worth the tuk tuk ride to get there"

Just been sold - July 2005.. so may change. Later: rumored to be closed again.

> "recent report - Feb 2007 says its open and nicely refurbished, but few boys or customers"

>The following aren't Gogo bars but just regular beer bars, mostly outdoor, with freelancers always around (plus some available staff)

Night Bazzar Soi off Thape Soi 1 behind D2 Hotel>

Cream

"The best of the night bazaar"

> "umm, "The Best" only if VERY young Burmese are your thing - you have been warned!"

Jackpot

"Friendly bar"

> Also the two bars at the entrance to the Soi are now gay; Left side is called Secret place - don't care for the new owner though; right side is same owner as Jackpot I believe" There is also Cruise bar opposite Cream - similar story"

Around the Peak Climbing wall:

Chez Nous

"Best of the Peak bars"

> "Chez Nous is now the worst.......changed hands about six months ago; boys with attitude who like to abuse things of substance if you get my meaning"

Friendship Bar

"I don't care for the management.."Others have no problem; it changes.

> "Has changed hands since the original post; The owner, Pi Nui, is one of the most respected bar owners in Chiang Mai having previously worked in Chez Nous and very supportive of local Gay HIV charity. Popular place just to go and drink with no pressure"

New Peak Bars:

Paradise Bar

"Recently re-opened by Lek, a former owner of Chez Nous - most of the old Chez Nous customers now go there; very popular with cute bar staff"

Cupid Bar

"Not as good as it was but the staff are VERY friendly Don't forget the condoms"

MTV Bar

"owned by the same people as Classic House Massage - Popular with friendly staff"

SAUNAS & MASSAGE

SpaRoma

"The nicest and not that far out of the way as often reported"

"Beautiful place with big swimming pool and well equipped Gym - not so many people"

House of Male

It is near Central Kad Kaew on a back soi, outdoor pool, drinks and restaurant, a maze, weight room, lockers, and a very hot steam steam room. About 130 baht two years ago.

"Still 130 Baht for Farang AFAIK, still sleazy....... and popular with Farang"

Naga across from Big C

"owned by the owner of Circle Pub. No personal experience to tell of yet"

"Dunno if this is still open?"

HIS Male Massage

"The best in town. I hear they opened a bar of the same name but I haven't checked it out yet."

>"had a dull spot but have heard good things recently; also have a late night Karaoke bar on Cnhiang Mai Land"

Ken's Male Massage

>"Closed I Believe"

Bee Beez Male Massage

>"Mediocre reports"

Barai Male Massage

>"Dunno if this is still open?"

Climax Male Massage

"what a great name!"

>"Dunno if this is still open?"

Gemini Male Massage / Sauna

"Major rip off."

</FONT>> "Apparently still overpriced and mediocre facilities but some cute young masseuse"

Other Massage places:

Art of massage

"Small; Close to Adam Apple and Viangbua Mansion; mediocre"

Maple

"New place adjacent to New My Way - same boys!; cheap but mediocre"

Blue Club

"Chiang Mai Land; have no reports but know a couple of the staff who should make a visit worthwhile "

One 2 Come

"Also a great name! Last but not least this place has the best facilities in Chiang Mai, formerly a guest house, all the rooms are large and provided with en suite facilities and even a jacuzzi and outdoor beer garden to go and relax. Great selection of friendly attitude free boys. Across bridge from Sheraton Hotel. Thoroughly recommended"