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Get a new Irish passport.
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It's not as dangerous to post on Thaivisa as it is to read it as that can cause apoplexy.
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10 hours ago, TSF said:
I was on a bus a couple years ago heading to the Thai-Lao border on way to having a little holiday at Pakse. Bus was stopped by police and he asked to see all foreingers passports. When he saw my UK passport he told me to follow him into the police station. I was starting to get worried why, but everything was in order regarding my visa. In the police station I was taken into a large meeting room where there were about 30-40 unimformed police officers and I was taken to a lectern and handed a microphone and told to give an English lesson to the police.
So seems they were having this meeting and someone decided at the last minute it'd be good to have a native speaker give an English lesson, so they pulled one (me) off the next bus to the border.
Were they more informed after your English lesson?
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Only two and a half hours? You were lucky. We had to queue up half an hour before we went to bed.
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23 hours ago, DrJack54 said:That's the most funny one I have heard today. As far as understanding the "Queens English"
Americans I can understand. Most of uk, esp north england and many other regions, throw in the Welsh, Scotts, Irish....your kidding me.
The best non native English speakers in Thailand are people from the Philippines. Also they are not pi**pots like most farang teaching English in Thailand and Vietnam.
I find it somewhat ironic that someone who criticises others' English makes so many mistakes in their own use of English.
The superlative of funny is "funniest", not "most funny". "Your" is a possessive, "you're" is a subject plus verb. Also, UK should be capitalised and farang should be farangs.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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2 hours ago, Just Weird said:Good grief, Thaivisa is the place that relentlessly (and usually unjustifiably) slags off the Embassies at every opportunity! Why should they now take kindly to the sad pleas from those same people at that very same source?
If I worked for an Embassy I would tell any Thaivisa members submitting group complaints about something that is not the Embassies fault (this has been pointed out many times) to shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
Seems like you would fit in quite well at an Embassy.
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3 minutes ago, sanemax said:
These are prostitutes, right ?
A guy who has to go to the third world and pay people to be with him , for the sole reason that its cheaper than paying someone to be with him back home, is hardly one of lifes "winners"
I have one word for you.
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Wanting to find a girlfriend / wife is not a good life plan. Work on improving yourself and your current situation. And start reading.
This would be a good place for you to start.
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Wow. Tripadvisor's credibility just took a nosedive as far as I'm concerned.
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really not much of anything and not reliable as a source because lot of the information is supplied by the university/college. Besides most of them don't even join in the survey or don't recognize it. More here https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/30/mixed-opinions-european-union-funded-ranking-effort-enters-second-year
A recent European University Association survey of its members’ experiences of using U-Multirank found that the initiative struggles with the same challenges as traditional rankings do in regards to the comparability of data: “Whether a university took part in [u-Multirank] or not, all expressed major concerns regarding the interpretation of the [u-Multirank] indicators across different institutions and countries and thus the validity of the data provided,” the E.U.A.’s survey report concluded.
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I think the csi reference to nomsod was after the police had already said they were looking for a guy in Bkk. At that initial stage , when mon was arrested nomsod name had not been published. It was a few days after mon arrest that nomsod name was released.
Again my question.
What caused the police to initialy suspect nomsod.
They said they had CCTV evidence.
Yes, they sure did.
http://www.chiangrai...on-the-run.html
Pol Lt Gen Panya said a second suspect, who fled the resort island to Bangkok, will likely be taken into custody soon.
He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.
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Pol Lt Gen Panya said a second suspect, who fled the resort island to Bangkok, will likely be taken into custody soon.
He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.
http://www.chiangraitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-suspect-arrested-another-on-the-run.html
24th September.
Last time I checked a calendar the 22nd of September (the time Sean McAnna's incident hit the news) comes before the 24th or 23rd.
Suspects mean suspects, the evidence didn't pan out, they were cleared, end of story; happens in all crime investigations, the difference is that in this case the police made too many details public during the course of the investigation.
The evidence didn't "pan out"? Funny that evidence didn't pan out right after the police interviewed the headman.
Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.
He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.
He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.
He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman.http://englishnews.t...ted-another-run
This says they had evidence which "proved" Mon was involved. How can evidence that proves someone was involved one day, become evidence that didn't pan out?
It tells me that they had evidence, but it was conveniently ignored once the village headman helped police with their enquiries.
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Was the 'reason' for the specific body placement another one of Mr. Terry's FACTS?
The staging was factual. The interpretation is best suited to a criminal psychologist, who could also suggest that Berybert's surmise (and mine) is within the realms of possible motives. Hopefully, the defence have that one covered.
The data indicate that sexual
posing is a highly personal action on the part of the offender, which oftentimes involves extreme
emotion, anger and rage. The most prevalent motive is fantasy driven behavior (71%). In these
instances the offender subconsciously acted-out a sexually significant behavioral pattern to
obtain sexual satisfaction. The second most frequent motivation was anger/retaliation (22%). In
those cases the offender uses sex as a weapon to punish and degrade the victim; the body is
posed out of anger, to retaliate against the victim for some real or apparent slight of the offender.
It is fortunate that the least often seen offender motivation for sexual posing is to misdirect the
investigation, occurring in 7% of the cases. The rarity of such events, of course, does not suggest
that they deserve any less attention in the training regimen of investigators.
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Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.
He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.
He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.
He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman.http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run
23rd September.
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I know it's late in the day to be asking this.
I understand why mon was accused by police. Because shaun fingered him so naturally the police investigated him.
2 questions.
Why did they not investigate the cop as well.
How did nomsod name ever come into it.
What is the reason the police began mentioning him in Bkk since shaun had not said anything about him.
Be grateful for an answer.
As far as I can tell, he came into it after people in CSI LA pointed a finger at him based on this:
"Well, the reason is because "Nom Sod" and his friends had posted comments on CSI during the time that Sean leaked out a statement that he was being threatened and bullied by the mafia. In many ways, this allowed Admin and people on CSI LA page to see the suspicious behavior and we were able to recognize the close similarity in the physical features of the suspect betweem the CCTV video and "Nom Sod"
They didn't like the things he said about the issue and decided that it was him on the CCTV video even though no facial features are visible.
In short, vindictive rumor mongering.
I think the csi reference to nomsod was after the police had already said they were looking for a guy in Bkk. At that initial stage , when mon was arrested nomsod name had not been published. It was a few days after mon arrest that nomsod name was released.
Again my question.
What caused the police to initialy suspect nomsod.
Pol Lt Gen Panya said a second suspect, who fled the resort island to Bangkok, will likely be taken into custody soon.
He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.
http://www.chiangraitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-suspect-arrested-another-on-the-run.html
24th September.
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FACT: The father’s statement originally was that Nomsod had to hurry back to Uni in Bangkok for exams. A week later, when they were put under further scrutiny his statement changed to: ‘He hasn’t been home (to Koh Tao) for a few months, I haven’t seen him’. This was untrue however as he had been photographed on the island a month earlier.
FACT: On September 24th it was announced that Nomsod was a person of interest. A press conference was quickly launched at his embassy where his lawyer (a close family friend) brought out CCTV stills of Nomsod at his university residence. The timestamp was 09:16 sept 15th. Early flights from Koh Samui and Surat Thani would have given him enough time to get back to BKK and jump in a taxi. Logic dictates that if he had been at his residence the previous night there would also have been footage to prove that. Recently doubt has been cast on the authenticity of the time stamps, as furniture seen in the residence had been moved a few months before hand yet was back in it’s old position in these cctv captures.
"Early flights from Koh Samui and Surat Thani would have given him enough time to get back to BKK and jump in a taxi."
That is not a "FACT", it's unsupported speculation. What would make it a fact would be a passenger list with his name, CCTV of him at either airports, witnesses testimony placing him there, etc...
In any case, which one is it? He murdered the two Britons, jumped into a waiting boat that nobody saw (strangely, the idea of using the boat to dispose of the bodies at sea didn't occur to anyone), full throttle to Samui (boat and driver unknown), went to the airport and straight into a flight (at least half an hour before the gates closed) flew back to BKK, took a taxi back to his apartment (somewhere in between all that had time for a haircut and put on his university clothes), all this leaving absolutely no trace whatsoever, and then just walked casually in because he knew that there was this CCTV camera that would record his entry... or, they just faked the CCTV footage; and if they faked the CCTV footage why not fake it to be at, let's say, 4AM on the 15th of September?
It has to be one or the other.
It's all baloney, desperately looking for something that can be construed into a marginally possible scenario that falls apart as soon as the mere minimum of examination is applied, for example the fact that the CCTV footage of him at the lobby was not the only alibi presented.
Here's a screen capture from another CCTV camera:
"Logic dictates that if he had been at his residence the previous night there would also have been footage to prove that."
Well, proven, what now? Call it all fake with no evidence to substantiate the claim?
The month in the time stamp in that screen capture has obviously been changed. There is no proof that Nomsod was in Bangkok at the time of the murders. None whatsoever.
Why do you feel the need to defend this guy?
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Nom has proof that he was in Bangkok at the time of the crime. Well not at the time of the crime but there or there abouts.
Why has nobody come forward to say that Now wasn't at the uni at the time of the crime, well there or there abouts.
Nom has a guy who is paid lord knows how much to say he was at school( His solicitor). Now forget all that, how many of Noms class mates have said he was in school the day after the murder ?
I can not recall any of them saying that. Can you ?
AleG/jdinasia you defend Nom 24/7 whilst telling us you don't even know the guy. Why are you so passionate about him ?
Even if Nomsod was in Bangkok after 9 am on Monday, that doesn't preclude him from being at the island 4+ hours earlier. If a desperate person with money and connections wanted to get to Bangkok from the island as quick as possible, how long would it take? More than 4 to 5 hours in the early morning? Perhaps someone in that region could do that experiment. And even if it were proved that Nomsod was on the island at the time of the crime (by witnesses and/or DNA and/or CCTV...), RTP echoers would say that doesn't implicate him. Even if it were shown to the small % of those who doubt he's 'running man' that he was indeed running man, RTP echoers could still claim that doesn't implicate him - it only shows that he was jogging around in light colored shorts on that walkway near the crime scene. I admit, there needs to be firmer evidence for Nomsod to be nailed. Unfortunately, RTP, by all appearances (Since the 2nd week of the investigation), seem fixated on trying to shield Nomsod and Mon from any further scrutiny. Why would that be? Most of us don't need to stretch too far to find answers to 'why Nomsod and Mon were dropped so suddenly and thoroughly from being prime suspects.' The writing is on the wall, in large luminous font.
Not exactly the same, but I know someone who has done Bangkok to Nakhon Sri Thammarat and vice versa (800km) in under 5 hours on more than one occasion. He made that trip in the small hours of the morning when there is the least traffic. That's an average speed of 160km an hour.
Chumphon is a lot closer - less than 500km, but 6am to 9am on a Monday there would be more traffic.
If you were to get a speedboat from Koh Tao at 5am to Chumphon (say an hour) (6am) and then drove at 160km / hour, it is theoretically possible to be in Bangkok at 9am.
Of course, if you had money and connections, you might be able to do the trip faster, or take a different route.
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jd doesn't believe there was a 3rd Burmese. He did once upon a long ago. But since the RTP were unable to find a third goat they along with jd have forgotten about any 3rd Burmese.
This is what happens when you are dealing with single cell creatures. They fail to realize not everyone is a total idiot.
They did have a third goat - Maung Maung. The problem was that he didn't play along.
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FYI from Twitter:
Mar 15To: @Atomicalandy Have you been given access to the DNA evidence against them? I don't see you having a case without the ability to defend this.From: Andy Hall @Atomicalandy Mar 16the lawyers have prosecution file now (doesn't mean all evidence, some don't get until trial), including some DNA evidenceBut apparently not willing to divulge for those folks on here.We don't expect defense or prosecution to divulge their plans, data or strategies to us concerned observers. Some of the hundreds of posts herein may influence some thoughts by either defense or prosecution, ...or maybe not. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. Ten thousand minds are better than five.
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From the above: However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. And I, however, wouldn't be surprised, given the defense's limited staff and resources, that defense staff has been told that, even if we might glean a tidbit here and there from the ThaiVisa postings, we don't have the time and resources to sift through all that verbiage which does not help us to get to those possible morsels that might.
don't have the time and resources to sift through all that verbiage which does not help us to get to those possible morsels that might.
And that's why there are some posters on here trying to derail and clog up every thread with their crap, or even better, get every thread about this subject shut down.
You know who you are.
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Hindus this time, not Muslims.
Sometimes known as Little India, Southall is a diverse community in west London with a large Hindi population.
Although headteacher Ivor Johnstone would not comment on what the ‘religious and cultural’ reasons were, some Hindu scriptures say that an eclipse makes believers impure.
And fundamentalists believe that they need to bathe immediately after an eclipse and chant the name of God to overcome the forces of darkness.
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So, who is the third burmese.
Muang Muang was originally held in custody. Could it be he was going to be railroaded also. But much to the rtp chagrin, came up with a strong alibi. Oops said the officer. We thought there were 3. but now we can only pin it on two.
MM was more savvy than the other two. He had an inkling of his legal rights. The B2 were easy prey for scapegoating, with older men gathered around, fists and teeth clenched. First thing the cops probably said was 'you're illegal, and we can slam you in jail for a long time.' The B2's families rely on the few satang which get sent from their sons each month - because there is zero social security for elders in Burma.
Burmese young men were casually playing sepak takraw on the beach, when police, in their frantic zeal to nab scapegoats, went to round them up. Two were able to run away. Guess who the two were? Yup, so when they were caught, the cops were doubly angry at the young men who didn't heed their calls of 'Don't run! Come back here!' Next day: 'safe-house' with a threatening interpreter who introduced the broken bottle idea. Not an attorney in sight. The rest is scapegoat history.
Utter fantasy
JD
Who do you think is the 3rd Burmese
I think it's pretty clear that Maung Maung was the 3rd Burmese lined up to take the rap for this. He did well not to succumb to the pressure put on him by the police.
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Post 538 AleG said (amongst other things) regarding evidence:
... CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...
Saying there is no evidence is false, plain and simple.
If that evidence constitutes proof is up to the judge to decide, not some people that would rather ignore actual evidence in favour of fanciful speculation.
Fanciful speculation indeed!
Here is Maung Maung in the convenience store at 23.12 on 14.09.14 -
There is a still of the B2 outside the store which I cannot locate. Could someone post this if they have it so we can see what the time is please.
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Murder occurred sometime after 3am 15.09.14.
The fact that CCTV may show the suspects walking towards the beach at around 11pm after buying stuff at the store does not equate to evidence that they were 'in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders'. How could anyone with half a brain reach that conclusion? As already pointed out by another poster with brain in tact, the man seen running around in underwear around the time of the murders would fit your statement 'CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...' .
That would not be fanciful speculation.That is what I said "approximate" not "precisely", or "close" or "immediately". That you choose to misinterpret things in favour of a particular scenario is par for the course.
Close to the time of the murders was the testimony of Muang Muang, placing them close the scene of the crime possibly within an hour of the murders.
Actually, this was Muang's testimony:
MAT representative Kyaw Thaung reconfirmed the testimony the legal team had been told. “After finishing the beer and cigarettes, Maung Maung said he told his two friends he was leaving, but they insisted on having more to drink, so he went back to the room and got an extra bottle of alcohol and took it to them. That was all around 1am,” he said.
“Maung Maung said he then went to see his girlfriend and did not return until 5am.”
And there is no CCTV placing them in the area of the murders and/or at the 'approximate' time of the murders. Last CCTV at before midnight.
Maung Maung's testimony that he went back to the room and got an extra bottle of alcohol is consistent with the cctv images of him coming and going while wearing a different shirt than he had been wearing earlier in the evening.
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So you're not going to provide details to back up your claim that there is CCTV footage to evidence the B2 were in the area at the approximate time of the murders. How surprising.
Your refusal of facts has gone on long enough:
Aleg
There is no time stated , so it may place at the crime scene but not at the time of the murders
If I was to use your logic ,then Mon would also be at the crime scene at the time of murders, due to cctv
"Your refusal of facts have gone on long enough" This statement, along with the whole prosecution case would be laughable if two young men's lives weren't at stake. If anyone is refusing to listen to facts, it's you, AleG.
The murders took place between 3am and 5am.
The Burmese were captured on camera several hours before that. So there is no evidence against them.
However, there was a guy captured on camera at 3.44am running away from the scene. We all know who he is.
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"We have now confirmed that the killing weapon is not only a hoe found stained with blood, but also a wooden club. This made us believe that there are at least two attackers," he said.
Deputy national police chief Pol Gen Somyot Pumpanmuang said on 23rd September.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Koh-Tao-police-fail-another-day-30243890.html
Pol Maj Gen Kittipong Kaosam-ang, a Surat Thani police commander
revealed that Thais may have been involved in the murders and had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks. Some people on Koh Tao had given false information to police in a bid to divert attention.There was evidence linking Thais to the attacks. i.e. not evidence linking the Burmese two to the attacks.
Who are these Thais who had tried to destroy evidence linking them to the attacks? Where is this evidence? What is this evidence? This evidence wouldn't happen to be CCTV footage, would it?
Why is there no mention of this evidence in the prosecution case?
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Be warned about strict rules at Padang Besar
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Do you think that they would check to see if you had a hotel booking? I doubt it. I'm sure if you just give the name of a hotel you would be OK, but as you say, a booking costs nothing.