bamboozled

Chiang Mai. It didn't count for me. Hmm, I might have dug my own grave, as it were. I put my date of entry as August (the true date of entry) and not the date I got the visa extension. The officer told me the extension doesn't count but perhaps it wouldn't have been an issue if I had put the extension date. But that would not have been a truthful answer to when I entered Thailand.

I'm 2000 baht lighter now. That much I know.

This is surely all over the forum but I missed this info somehow. So I'm repeating it here in case it benefits somebody. I got a visa extension about 3 months ago and thought that would count as a 90 day report. When I went to do my 90 day report recently, surprise to me, I had to pay 2000 baht for overstay. My last entry into Thailand was in August and that's when the 90 days started. My visa extension in September had no bearing on it. It doesn't really make sense to me as the visa extension goes a lot further in proving where you are and what you are doing. But alas, it seems the two systems operate independently.

Take heed.

Hello friends,

Is this border crossing currently open for an exit Thailand/Re-enter Thailand with new stamp scenario? This would be two Yanks. One with retirement visa the other has some kind of a tourist entry.

This would be toward the latter part of next month, December.

Info online was, per usual, extremely scattered/old/impossible to interpret.

Many thank! Bamboozled.

3 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

I use an agent and everything is as easy as pie... takes less time than reading your post - and the cost for me is negligible... love my agent. 

18,000 baht.

5 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

If any luck in CM let me know the details.

 

I assume you've already had a blood count and thyroid panel?

Hi Sheryl,

I have and blood was fine but that was 8 months ago now. I'm primed to do another overall checkup but wanted to talk to a doctor first to see if there were any tests I should add.

A thyroid test 2 weeks ago showed 0.82 free T4 with the minimum being 0.78. That's the lowest it's been. I have been taking Levothyroxine for 2 weeks and waiting to feel the effect. The doctor didn't think I needed it but I "convinced" her that it was worth trying the meds to see if it helped. My sister has Hashimoto's.

I very often get swollen lymph nodes in my neck and a slight sore throat in the afternoon. Along with the fatigue. It's almost like clockwork. Feels like I am getting the flu. But I've learned to ignore it and carry on the best I can and by later in the evening the glands seem to get better. Reading about ME/CFS, they talk about such a thing. I also had dengue 15 years ago which perhaps could have been the trigger. I have always maintained I never felt quite the same after it.

I will let you know if I find some info in CM.

Thank you.

I might try my luck here in CM and if no results/answers then to Bkk might be the plan.

I understand. Thanks. I don't understand it either.

45 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

BKB has a one year statement which you have to order and wait 5 days or so!

There the entries are in full lenght "International funds transfer".

A statement up to 6 months back is issued on the spot. Different format showing "FOREIGN T/T".

The Download statements (not acceptable for immigration) also show the short form.

 

From a download statement:

 

Sounds like you're good to go. I don't think they want downloaded from internet as it doesn't have the official bank stamp. ...I would guess.

Thank you, all. I will def get a re-entry permit then, just to bat my eyelashes at as I dream where I might go. Nice to have that to cover any mistakes or spur of the moment cross-border love affairs.

43 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Thanks for report.

Regards your multi reentry permit you can obtain that at CNX airport on day of departure 

Better option imo.

Right but...I'm always worried I'll forget or be in a rush or perhaps I"m hanging out in a border town and pop across a border forgetting that I don't have a re-entry.

When one gets a single re-entry permit, can it be open and used whenever or does one have to specify the trip and time?

20 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Indeed the part about the bank statements is a bit disturbing.

Next week I will try my luck with statements from Bangkok Bank and show up at Khon Kaen immigration.

One thing for sure: the statements clearly show international transfer in English.

Now thinking to take all WISE transfer receipts with me in addition. The pile of paper grows daily. My printer ran out of toner today.

I had all the Wise printed out but they didn't need them. Which of your statements show International? I think you're good. You could ask you bank if there was an intermediary bank between your account and Wise. If not, I think you're golden. At least for CM rules, that day, with that officer.

2 years ago, when my transfers got rejected, I tried to show the Wise documents but officer wouldn't even look at them.

Hi all, I received my new extension last week. I will post how I got it in a new thread as to make it more accessible to folks that might need that info.

Cheers, Bam

I don't know that I have the above mentioned affliction and I sure hope I don't. But I would like a doctor attuned to these things to confirm that. GPs and health check-ups have not led to any clues as to why I'm so wiped out all the time. I think a diagnosis of ME/CFS is in the field of a neurologist. Anyone in town, in particular, to whom I might direct my query?

Thank you.

2 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

As the application would be based on income/transfers, a min-balance should not be a factor.  Maybe they would not even care if the bank-book was updated same-day - but easy and cannot hurt.

Always the great, big, unknown...

3 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

1) yes.

2) Credit-Advice for each and every transfer, unless it is coded as "international" in your bank-book.

3) Bank-letter should show you are the owner of the account and current balance.

3b) 12-months statement from the bank, showing the transfers (bank-book may or may not be enough - could be unnecessary, but ...)

4) TM-30 receipt, last 90-Day report, Long-Term Rental-Lease or Condo-Ownership proof.

 

All assuming your current permitted-stay is from a Non-Imm extension  or Non-O "retirement based" visa entry.

 

Some offices do nor require #3 to be "same day" - others do.  But, the bank-book update should be done the same-day.

Thanks, Rob. Is there an amount they're looking for as a balance?

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

CM seem to sometimes request TM30 for extensions. Even 12month variety.

Also I note last two extensions at CW a receipt of most recent TM47 receipt was required. 

 

I have a copy of the TM47, that's easy enough. The bank stuff is just silly and repetitious, IMHO. And same info dated same as your application? That's just sometimes impossible. I'll do my best. I'll probably get shot down with the monthly transfers....I'll report back.

13 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The 3rd reply on this attached thread outlines list.

Which immigration office? 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1321516-documents-to-submit-for-extension-of-retirement-visa/

Chiang Mai...thanks Dr.!

 I actually stopped by Immi this morning to ask but my god, it was a mad house. For some reason, I expected it to be more tranquil. Maybe on account of the weather. Silly me. I turned around and left without asking anything....too insane and much loss of time.

Hi guys, I'm applying for my extension based on retirement soon (this week hopefully). I am using the 12 month deposit method and have 12 months of statements showing at least $65k coming in from abroad every month...as international transfer. Fingers crossed it suffices. Other than that, I'm unsure of what I need from the bank.

Do I need:

1. Passbook updated the day of the application?

2. A credit advice from the bank (done this week)?

3. A letter from the bank saying...hmm, I'm not sure what, that I have an account there?

4. All of the above?

Thanks much!

44 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

If that is the case, you have only 2 options - get "credit advice" statements for each case where your Wise xfer is not received "FTT" - OR - forget Wise, and wire-transfer from your foreign bank to a Thai bank which does not involve an "intermediary bank" in Thailand.  

Thanks for your input, Rob. There is another thread I started where BENQ showed me that if I download my Kasikorn bank statements in Thai language, they show the transfer as international. It's odd as on the Wise statement it shows "local" but I'm liking it!

And yes, you are very right. I could ditch Wise and just go wire transfer. A lot more expensive if I'm not mistaken. And it just irked me to spend that extra money when Wise was/is so much easier. Silly as in the end I could have ended up spending a lot more money if I had to use an agent. It could still turn out to be the case. I'm not always smart in the way I operate. That's the sad reality.

Thanks Norbra! I will contact Kbank to get the credit advice. For the date of that, it doesn't have to be the same day you are applying for the visa, correct? Silly question and I would assume no but....immi knows no bounds.

24 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

That's how an entry in the statement for a foreign transfer at KBank looks like.
Both marked in red say foreign/abroad transfer/money transaction.

Holy moly!!!!!! Yes yes yes it DOES say that on mine. You have helped me immensely and relieved a lot of stress. Now, onward to immigration with this. You have my appreciation!

1 minute ago, KhunBENQ said:

That's how an entry in the statement for a foreign transfer at KBank looks like.
Both marked in red say foreign transfer/money.

I will check it, thanks for the idea. I do have K bank internet banking though I had forgotten it! However, the Wise receipt says funds delivered via "Local Bank Transfer." Hope springs eternal.

For the record, immigration hopefully will update their list of accepted documents to mirror the times we live in. Times where Wise receipts should be good enough. That's my 2 cents.

20 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

Just stumbled upon this revived thread.

I recently had started one about WISE and Kasikorn.

 

1) Bangkok Bank: for many years I transfer from WISE to Bangkok Bank using funds for long term stay as a purpose. Always shown as FTT in the book and much better as international funds transfer in the account statements,

 

2) Kasikorn Bank: I recently did a test from WISE to Kasikorn using general living expense as purpose. It arrives in seconds.

The book does NOT show a FTT or the like but just as TRN (transfer no book).
Account statement in English language shows "Trade Finance Deposit".

Not very obvious.

BUT: statement in Thai language clearly labels it as a foreign transaction.

 

Credit goes to @Upnotover

 

See here;

 

Thanks BENQ,

I don't have answers about why WISE works the way it does but I'm done with trying to figure it out. I've used Bangkok Bank and Kasikorn both and a few times I've gotten FTT transfers but there is no rhyme or reason and speaking with WISE on the phone they told me they could not guarantee FTT transfer no matter what. Yes, I know some folks get FTT all the time and have gotten it forever. I have a very close friend in this situation...gets FTT every time. But alas, I cannot and have given up on it. I'm hoping immigration will start to accept the Wise receipts plus my Thai bank paper trail. If not, hello agent. Or....I will try DTV. Thanks for your help!

Bam

My monthly Wise transfers to my Kasikorn bank show as local transfers no matter what I do. Has anyone had luck showing both the Wise transfer receipts together with the Thai bank receipts (Kasikorn in my case) to an immigration officer as proof of the monthly $65k coming from abroad? I tried this a year ago and was shot down. However, things might have changed and also my bank statement was quite complicated back then. Now, the only incoming money to my Kasikorn account is the single monthly transfers using Wise and just a few out so an easy read for the officer. I will also get the credit advise from Kasikorn.

One member here did mention this method as being accepted in some places and I reached out to him but have yet to hear back.

Thanks folks!