JonnyF

Interesting details starting to emerge. https://opoyi.com/usa/who-was-travis-ikeguchi-murder-suspect-of-laura-carleton-named/ It would appear she knew she was upsetting people in her community but continued to ramp up the confrontation. A terrible tragedy, RIP Laura. Maybe time for a pause for thought, it's possible to hold views without constantly ramming them down the throats of others.

Oh look, it was a jilted lover and business partner. Imagine that, it was a personal attack and the murderer was known to the victim as I suggested was most likely in my post above. All the race baiters will be most disappointed. No pot to stir this time...

Exactly my point throughout this thread. Couldn't have said it better myself in fact. I'm glad it finally sunk in.

I don't need any. Because I have never claimed the killer was motivated by religious beliefs.

Yes, I am for real. Agreed. We have the freedom to do many things. Depending on the time and the place, not all of them are necessarily a great idea. Some of them invoke needless risk. Certainly religious groups have some strong beliefs on many types of behaviour. It's a good idea to be mindful of that before displaying symbols that are offensive to millions of people, then confronting them when one of them complains. I think due process and an appropriate punishment through the justice system would have been preferable.

Probably Chlorpheniramine.

I've never seen a frenzy of hate from DeSantis. I've seen him stating biological reality. Do you have any links to this frenzy of hate?

It demonstrates how something as innocuous as a flag can lead to violence. I would have thought that was obvious.

Oh, you needed a real example?

Not sure about the American flag. Maybe it wouldn't go down well in certain areas or with certain demographics. I doubt Megan Rapinoe or Colin Kapernick would appreciate it. But you can certainly be attacked for displaying the British flag in Britain.

I know what it is. I even predicted I would be accused of it in post 4 of this thread when I wrote the following... No false equivalence. Both are freedom of speech/expression that have the potential for a less than desirable reaction. The only difference is that you would support one reaction and not the other.

Oh no I didn't.

It was an example of a group that might be offended. I also mentioned Christians but you seem OK with that. No mention of it. Correct. They are examples of groups that she would have known she was offending. Only if you had an agenda.

Refer to the post I was replying to for context.

Your reply was lazy, not my post. I didn't blame the victim. That's another strawman. I didn't blame her any more than I would blame someone who went to an Antifa rally with a MAGA hat on and a stars and stripes cape who got beaten up for shouting "I love Trump" from a loudspeaker. But I would comment that their actions were unwise.

I never stated he was a Muslim. Could have been a Christian. Could have been an escaped convict. Could have been anyone who doesn't like trans ideology. They haven't released any details of the killer. Often this happens when their identity is a bit, ummm, awkward shall we say. If he was a MAGA hat wearing redneck in dungarees, driving a Cadillac Deville draped in the confederate flag I dare say we'd have heard all about it by now. Either way, whether he was Muslim or not is irrelevant. My point was that if you wish to display a flag that is offensive to millions of people, some of which may be extremists, it's possible that a confrontation will ensue.

Lazy. So lazy...

I was replying to this. Clearly I was saying nothing of the sort. Context dear, context.

Firstly, may I suggest you learn the difference between Europe and the EU. Secondly, if you read my post and that was your conclusion, may I suggest you read it again, slowly this time...

Hyperbole. I don't see any frenzy of hate. Just a few isolated incidents. You may be aware but homosexuality is not promoted by various religions (Christianity, Islam etc.). This is not a new thing, it is thousands of years old. A quick trip to many Muslim countries would clarify this for you very quickly. So if you wish to show your support of LGBTQ++ in such an open, flagrant way then you run the risk of offending certain groups. With the rise of multicultural societies such as the US and the UK, members of these groups may well be living next door to you. Now, before you go all Strawman on me, I am not suggesting she deserved it. Far from it, I think it is a terrible incident and condolences to her family. I am merely stating that people should be aware that by flying their Pride flag or any other flag with potentially divisive political/religious connotations they run the risk (rightly or wrongly) of offending certain people. If they know that and choose to proceed anyway, in the knowledge that they will be offending certain groups then that is their personal choice. In this case she flew the flag in the knowledge that some people would be offended and then confronted the person who was offended. Very brave. RIP.

He's got such a massive lead that he's probably better off not taking part. He has nothing to gain by participating and everything to lose, especially given his tendency to say controversial things. So I would say politically, he has been well advised.

Strange. Are they implying this was some kind of "Anti Thai" attack? Do they have any evidence for that? Seeing as her belongings weren't taken this seems like a personal attack, raising the distinct possibility that the killer was also a part of the Thai community. Statistically, most murders are done by people the victim knows.

The EU is a notoriously left wing (and corrupt) organization, so it is no surprise that they would favour Biden over Trump. Now I am neither a fan or Biden nor Trump (despite all the Strawmen on here), but if the EU are terrified of Trump, that implies to me that he is doing something right.

Very sad. RIP Mrs Carlton. Unfortunately LGBTQ++ issues have become very politicized and quite vitriolic on both sides of the debate, while also offending various religious groups. I'm sure Mrs Carlton understood this, therefore her decision to firstly to fly the flag and secondly to confront the individual who objected to it was very brave, but perhaps somewhat foolhardy in the current climate. I certainly wouldn't encourage my elderly mother to do so. Strange that there are no details about the killer. No name, no photo. I wonder if his identity doesn't fit the narrative?

Flat performance against Spurs. Diet Pep seems to be lacking a bit of fizz. They don't seem to have progressed much in the year he's been in charge.