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6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 I’ll make three predictions.

 

AI will strip more wealth from ordinary working people and funnel it to the already hyper wealthy.

 

Any proposals to address this and particularly proposals around taxation and regulation will be opposed by many amongst those who are themselves and/or their children are losing out to AI.

 

AI will not replace cap doffers and forelock tuggers.

 

 

 

 100% agree but its a bit worse for 1 & 2

1. Its going to devastate the lazy ass  generational  inheritors  who dont work  & much of their assets too. 

2  Those in charge already sold everyone out including their own by inaction and corruption.  Its too late to put the genie back in the bottle.. takes years for the average Gov to act.. AI & robotics isnt waiting and will  present as the obvious  answer to much and be welcomed first. Think Skynet ( already a real company btw )

3 Cap doffers and forelock tuggers will be dead in a few decades & indeed be replaced by patient polite caring AI companions which will be welcomed by the afore mentioned whose arthritis will be getting too bad to raise an arm.

They going NEED conscription & once the dam bursts for jobloss more than enough will welcome it as an opportunity for something to do. let alone some crusty's who think its a good idea or opposition, the young WILL demand and get UBI & go quietly because eventually that will be all most know and have for choice . Guessing 2028 - 30 things will become obvious to all 

Its not all bad ofc... IF we get past the transition stage in a couple of decades power will become dirt cheap if not free and then most everything elses value will collapse because of it...  for those left anyway. 

You will own nothing and be happy & they wernt kidding and guess what ?

Some good news and maybe bad as a cherry on top

Klaus Schwab, father of the World Economic Forum, is stepping down as head of the gathering of global elites after a hefty 53 years. Replacement top runner atm is .... Tony wmd Blair 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oddly, IMO, the jobs least likely to vanish soon will be service jobs like hairdressers and waiters etc. It's going to take some time to accustom the surviving populace to having a robot waiter or hairdresser.

Trades will vanish. Cars already diagnose themselves and humans merely change parts, easily replicated by a machine. Fruit picking- machine, Movies- AI replicates any actor perfectly, already. Doctors- humans make mistakes- an AI/ robot doctor will not. Surgery can be done by computer controlled machine already. Cars- self drive already on the way. Etc etc etc.

 

BTW, we went along with it. There were no demonstrations when machines replaced humans in banks, supermarkets, cinemas and parking buildings etc. Want to blame anyone- look in the mirror.

Defo the service industry is v keen on automation. Wages and pensions costs make it a no brainier. Largest online only supermarket and leading retail  tech group here moved to its new updated & automated warehouse a few months ago, cut its warehouse positions by 1200 then cut half its head office support depts by 25%.  Only dept that grew was delivery drivers. Large retail brands from Banks to all high street names  are closing their doors and or cutting locations. It'll only continue.. The gig economy is also on borrowed time, copywriters, artists, travel agents & translators defunct & gone v soon. Translators  will very soon even cope with Issan, Bronx & Scouse slang no problem . 

Pretty sure trades and jobs that require specific critical thinking and adaptive skills such as Plumbing, Decorating, General Builders, Handyman & Landscaping/Gardeners will be ok for some time due to the complexity &  variety. Auto Mechanics & most shop/ office staff wont fare well I agree and so many others. From highly paid executives to the cashier   Anyone in accounting/payroll & half of office depts will vanish as will much of the middle management and executives along with them.  Many highly paid professional sectors especially services consulting  will have to retrain in something they dont understand or likely enjoy or be unemployed. About 50% of over 40s will not or cannot make that change that late in their career/life. 

Teachers/tutors will be replaced by a personal AI tutor able to both relate and never ridicule or lose patience with the child, or adult. Each to their own ability and pace and at the same time being a mentor will also become their confidant and therapist. Possibly their  personal doctor too.  AI is already increasingly used in diagnosing conditions and can spot things on xrays & tests the best doctors cannot. All of it on an app or program you can take with you anywhere, on any platform and will write its own migration software to do so. Theres already some mind blowing tech and start ups out there using AI to create agents to self improve and specialise and they arnt going to get anything but better.. 

And yes people have not made enough noise early enough and responsible for allowing it but then most everyone has no clue of its scope and influence already, being far too wrapped up in life, paying the bills, dealing with the usual stuff and on the wheel to pay much attention other than happily accept any convenience thrown at them... .. alas most would rather tap and go etc until they cant on what they want only what they are sanctioned to buy, where an when, just as Thailand's proposed digital handout will be.  

The only thing I can see that will slow things down would  be a  crash in the global power grids from something like a solar storm frying a large % of everything electrical  which ofc would cause instant chaos riots & mayhem in turn. Or more likely as economies attempt to transition use anything to distract the populous such as regional wars etc.

Be well m8 im glad im not 18 today thats for sure. 

58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Doomed, doomed, we’re all doomed. 

Not yet but Labour isnt saving anything let alone going to change the direction of innovation or tech nor slow things down  now is it ? 

The entire political class is way behind the curve and the civil service who really run the country decade in decade out dosnt care about anything but its own pay cheques & is only reactive not proactive which is badly needed. ie  its not fit for purpose.

   Only thing to do is pay attention and adapt as best possible. Trade skills and people who can fix things & practical is an option, for now. Social science degrees and skills in moaning not so much. 

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I would certainly agree that the Tories have failed to grow the economy.

 

Offering National Service funded by taxes in place of real jobs with real training and of course zero hour contracts.

 

Sunak and his failing party are stone tone deaf.

 

It’s time for a change.

Tory or Labour dosnt really matter imo they are the uniparty.. Same crap just different colours.

I expect more of the same for most  under Labour

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The whole idea, which isn’t going to be implemented anyway, is being roundly ridiculed in the media.

 

Maybe a few of the octogenarians who saw national service think it’s a good idea, or at least those thought it was a good idea when they went through it.

 

Anyone with any critical faculties left will ask the obvious question - where’s the money coming from?

 

 

Its just a  floated talking point atm from a party that is toast but I believe by the end of the next term it'll become reality.

As for the cost ? its already being talked about in the private sector as  inevitable industry  tax costs vs profit. If the math works in their favour overall the big players will agree readily and they set industry standards  .. SME in most sectors dont stand a chance of keeping up and are already collapsing faster than in our history.  IMO & sadly the trend will continue. Just take a walk down a high street or industrial unit centers  in the UK  or look at the state of empty office accommodation to see it. 

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You are dancing around a prediction by Karl Marx that automation would eventually lead to huge numbers of unemployed, who would eventually revolt.

 

In real life, automation has created new job niches, so unemployment is not out of control. Plus, governments hand money to unemployed people.

You have your head in the proverbial sand. I dont like it either  but im not fool enough to pretend its just another industrial revolution, its way past that already. You cant retrain farmers to be AI engineers or warehouse staff to robotic maintenance crews.  Whats coming  ISNT like Marx envisioned at all no, this will be much much more disruptive.Think automation on ever increasing steroids regarding mental tasks as well as physical & creative and its global, starting in the most developed countries. 

Why do you think theres  push for military conscription ? de globalisation is already well underway.  Taxes largely come from working people & govs take whats happening in the private sector already very  seriously.  UBI is in pilot stages in many countries  & not everyone is going to be happy about it so control will be needed, human for now.   

 AI is already widely used and will drastically effect everyone over the next 10 years. Within 15 every industry will have  reduced its workforce and costs significantly . You dont attend industry meetings and trade shows maybe but I do. There is a huge push and investment interest for automation & AI prospects, literally hundreds of billions  is being invested.. from AI Art to music, sales to warehouse, from farming to IT, from Media to Law, Medical to Real estate, Management to Security. Education to Research etc etc its already happening .  Big corps will continue to push things as fast as they are able seeking more profits & Jobs are going to be done increasingly faster, better, cheaper,  more efficiently and reliably with the continuing development of AI. Possibly soon, true  AGI will happen then automation possibilities will increase at an astonishing pace most are unprepared for and there will be ofc  increasing  civil unrest .... mark my words.

As for 18s being conscripted, yup its be both sexes and Labour will do the same in the near future because they will have no choice but to  as things unravel for the vast majority and their prospects.. 

If AI takes over most jobs what will the young and those who have never worked do ? the risk ofc will be disruption out of boredom and no future which will inevitably lead to unrest.. what to do ? get them compliant and used to following orders young. UK gov desperately needs to reduce benefit support costs and the military bolstered... it will probably be prioritised for those not continuing to higher education, your expected to serve the system that feeds you. At the moment thats predominantly young men both indigenous and  immigrant alike, perfect cannon fodder or free state labour so to speak.

Also a good way to get new immigrants to be useful.. Want your benefits ? enroll in helping serve your new country, getting  Citizenship requires it etc etc..not hard to change the requirements. Someones got to go die in a war or look after the huge rapidly  aging demographic  & you can bet its not gonna be the elites kids.

Afterall, if the gov considers much of the population useless eaters now,  i cant imagine they want a majority jobless population to take care of. ie send them to the front.. these lunatics in power want their war make no mistake. 

Some things never get old in Thailand   

Too late to stop the population crash now, that already happened 20 years ago with declining birth rates. People dont seem to get it yet or what it means. Even if everyone had 3 kids now it takes 20 more years to grow up and reproduce to slow any decline but  urban families dont have many children& ever rising cost simply means less children, less families and ever more singles and so it goes.. None of it helps increase population. 

On the farm having kids is cheap & free labour, the problem with that is the last couple of generations have left the farms for the cities. With nothing to go back for but poverty its hardly surprising the average farmers age is above 55 and rising.

In an urban environment children are v costly and just an expense until they grow up. Populations moving  into mega growing cities wont help & with ever increasing uban living costs  birth rates will continue to decline as a result. 

This is has been happening across most of the developed/developing world  for decades. From Russia to Japan,  Italy to China and thats without other economic equations added into the mix. And no  its not fixable with immigration only temporary & shown that within a generation those immigrants follow the same birth rate decline,  Africans or Indians, Muslim etc still follow the same demographic birth decline in their new host countries by the next generation..Even Mexico peaked last decade & suspect the US is desperately opening the borders for this very reason but its only a sticking plaster not a solution. 

Not one country in decline has managed to buck the low birth rate issue organically yet. 

We are very possibly living in the times of the most humans alive there will ever be.. ever.  

Not surprised, Gov would be better issuing it only against credit card debt then 100% of Thais would probably be up for it... 

Its not 10k bht, its not money... its digital tokens nothing more... Ask any Thai if they would like a 10k coupon for use in select places/distance  or 7k hard cash in the hand and see what the answer is. 

This is a test based around the 15 minute city corralling people  idea & a future CBDC roll-out to dispense with cash entirely.. every credit & transaction can then be tracked, taxed and easily monitored, where & how used  can be  controlled and restricted as required...eg localised spending restrictions no problem, use by dates no problem, diminishing value to encourage spending ? no problem. Sorry your  quota for meat has topped out this week, no purchase allowed but you can still buy 7/11 stuff or veggies or mama etc. That 2nd weekend break in Phuket this month your carbon credit allowance is topped out, its ok though the ticket will have an uplift cost of X  and so will the coach option or car hire purchase unless electric, carbon  uplift charge added at point of charging transaction ( for your own good & save the planet of course, big brothers got your back  )  ...  CBDC can even have an end date to force spending on what or where and encoded with restrictions/caveats  in almost any way  deemed appropriate......   Sok though Thai Gov knows best...fancy some of that ? nope me either... Personally i'm with the 34.66%.

Only thing embellished is the mama part, the rest is all real & easily coded options/ abilities of  CBDC or any other digital token scheme to replace cash, 

Don't believe me ? Do some research . WEF site & their talks online is a good start...  in their own words.

Yawn !

2 minutes ago, h90 said:

yes and why not sell it?

Because Typical Thai hi so hubris .. 

What a lucky coincidence. 

Traffic is no worse in Bangkok than normal, its compounded every year as this time by seasonal burning.. Placing of way too many factories close to the Capital  also hasnt helped .. at all.

The majority of smoke pollution is coming from Myanmar & Laos affecting Chiang Mai and  Cambodia mostly affecting Bangkok  from burning as usual every year . Just have to look at the infrared maps to see that. The winds naturally carry it into the gulf and Thailand. 

Bit of diplomacy with ASIAN neighbours might be a good idea. If Thailand has to compensate with funds so the farmers can afford machinery, disposal & fertiliser .. which is what burning saves them the cost of.. so be it..

No one wants to work at home, cultures way too social and should remain so. 

Thailand has this one right..

Look around you, the world is fracturing and tearing itself apart in front of your eyes. Do you want more war ? escalation ?  Really ?   fools all .. Regardless of the bitter pill needed to be swallowed, concede Russia the regions taken and stand down this madness or talk of more deadly arms & weapons being sent,  before all become drawn into a far greater conflict .... Negotiated terms are the only way wars end & this MUST be started asap.

Ceasefire leading to peace negotiations is the only sane option...the alternative is more death more escalation & more WAR ... take your pick but do not come here and call for more war while you lie safe in bed in a safe place. ( for now ) .. 

“Ye Hypocrites, are these your pranks ?
To murder men and gie God thanks ?
Desist for shame, proceed no further.
God won't accept your thanks for murder.”

― Robert Burns

CCP advertising stooge.. 

I don't think  Xi's 0 policy  is going to align with anything tourism related for quite some time to come, if ever.                                            

Monkey pox is nothing new or a growing problem, its just the latest media and health scare hype to focus on  and part of this new and disgusting control cycle we are going to see being ramped up this decade.

If you pay attn to the scaremonger threats and "experts " claims of whats coming...pandemic after pandemic blah blah blah  you should realise this is all being engineered as continuing excuses to keep people in constant fear and disruption of living normally as before. Rolled out in tandem with other control methods  tech and changing policies most govs have already signed up to.. their job is to scare their populations into accepting ever more draconian controls.

Universal media stories, simultaneous statements,  key words and slogansa being used by the usual control freaks globally should make it laughable but there are plenty just waiting for the next current thing to panic over... and TPTB will use it to the max if the people allow it.. This should be all too obvious by now.. agenda 2030 is a real goal  not a myth. 

Sadly conditioning and control  by fear is a very effective method and increasingly becoming the weapon of choice by most governments and they will go as far as their populations allow them to go....