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12 hours ago, OJAS said:

I suspect that most of us Brits feel more than a little jealousy towards both the French and Chinese because their governments have sanctioned vaccination programmes for their respective expat communities here through local hospitals using vaccine doses which are surplus to requirements back home.

 

On the other hand, dear ol' Boris has instead decided to cheerfully give away all vaccine doses which are surplus to requirements in the UK to poorer countries, instead of earmarking some of them to find their way into the arms of British expats here with the assistance of local hospitals. I can only infer that this "generous" gesture on ol' Boris's part is primarily motivated by a desire to mitigate the effects of his decision to cut the UK's overseas aid budget of which these poorer countries are the principal beneficiaries, and that, as a result, he has absolutely no problem with British expats here being, in effect, offered up as sacrificial lambs on the high altar of Saving Face through denying us entitlement to surplus UK COVID-19 vaccine doses.

 

You could always take responsibility for yourself and pop back home and get it  anytime, only a bit of effort required.

Imagine Thailand getting as concerned about 75 dead on the roads  ? 

Oh well 

1 hour ago, The Cipher said:

I am surprised it took this long, to be honest. The myopic focus on case counts has been unhelpful all pandemic long and really only serves the function of scaring the general public.

From the point of view of  SAGE sub division SPI-B Independent Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours ( its specific role  is influencing public perception  &  behaviour) That was  exactly the conclusion and reason case counts were used so frequently. The purpose was to scare and intimidate thus making the public more malleable and readily willing to accept  draconian measures, which would have otherwise met with more resistance and less effect

Right or wrong morally, in practice it seems to have worked on most.  

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I overstated the case. There is some indication that the delta variant is more dangerous but it's still far from being a settled conclusion.

Dangerous in that its more transmissable not that its more deadly when contracted,big difference but a good use of the word dangerous,which is what articles do to attract attention.

Annyway,back on topic,no lockdowns wont work unless the time is used productively such as rolling out a comprehensive inoculation program whilst also allowing herd immunity to build within the population naturally by not totally shutting the doors .This is what the UK has done and Thailand/Oz others havnt

Just now, placeholder said:

On the contrary, delta has been judged to be more dangerous than previous variants. What has changed in the UK is the large percentage of vaccinated persons.

Delta is just more transmissible thats all, data is showing those contracting delta both unvaccinated AND vaccinated have much less hospitalisation or serious effects, vaccinated or not. We can therefore conclude as the data shows Delta is much less lethal than previous strains.

Which is exactly what a successful virus does as it mutates to survive, the payoff is less lethality for more transmission,ie HIN1 and other previous deadly flu pandemic strains, all still with us but reduced to sometime seasonal inconveniences. 

Nature is a wonderful thing and so is heard immunity.

PS there is no "vaccine" perse  only flu type shots intended to mitigate the most serious effects in the most vulnerable demographic, thats all any of them actually claim to try and do. 

Id say the chances of a V rich couple who cant swim renting a place with or going near any place with a pool, let alone going in is highly unlikely...

RIP,the  Island of death strikes again.

Chinese vaccine or Chinese virus ? tough call which carries more risk. 

1 minute ago, BenDeCosta said:

 

Actually, there is a huge question mark hanging over the efficacy of the covid tests that are currently available. 

Indeed,  but theres nothing to be done about that since its the method  they choose to use. 

Just expect to catch it and get on with your day. 

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

That number is wrong.  I don't understand why some are so fixated on that fake number? 

 

If you've had CV19.  You have LIMITED immunity.  Some studies say only for 6 months, and only for that variant.  There are now over 2,000 variants of this virus.  Some are much more dangerous than the original strains.

 

Best of luck.  In the end, herd immunity won't get us back to "normal".  And people like you don't help.  We're all in this together.

The number is based on that 50% wont ever know they ever had it, its that dangerous ???? not my estimate but the WHO and its asymptomatic spreading  clap trap modelling so i use it happily. Global population wise based on 7 billion its going to end up being a lot closer 99.9% non lethal rate and that would still be with a massive death toll figure of  7 million 

Actually there are currently at least 10,000 estimated variants which will continue to increase exponentially as thats what viruses MUST do, mutate and spread... pretty soon the entire globe will become infected and it'll come back over and over and yknow what ?  the jabs will always be behind the curve because of that. Youll have to get best guess jabs as mutations spread like the flue jab every year or less for the rest of your life and still not be safe, maybe a version in the future will mutate than is viral resistant and kills 99%.  enjoy that worry.  Or maybe itll go the way of every other pandemic and simply  fade out with herd immunity like all other cov/rhino viruses in the past. 

People like me ? ohhh you mean someone who dosnt think the way you do... gotcha ????

No we arnt all in it together, there are those who want to be scared and pretend this is something worth freaking out about thx to the media hype and those that dont...for me it wasnt before and hasnt been since,  ive had far worse colds and is not a concern when compared to other conditions or disease risks... I also mountain climb, ride bikes, Dive and do all manner of dangerous things, eat what i want and even drink and enjoy the odd cigar...

We could also get hit by a global disaster tomorrow, develop cancer,drop dead or be killed in some manner or catch some other deadly disease, WW3 etc ... so naaa im not wasting my life worrying about  something ive actually had that for healthy people is no big deal at all..  

Stay worried and safe. ill get on with my day. ????

If your fit, healthy with no underlaying conditions  99.5% you would be fine even if catching cv19...

Not interested in being a lab rat, already gained natural immunity through catching it, quarantined and now getting on with life.

43 minutes ago, internationalism said:

in the UK within the last year 130k died of covid, yearly road deaths are only 2800.

so covid is over 40x higher risk.

in the UK 4.5mln became infected, many of them hospitalised, some of them for months and on ventilation.

Some of them, tens of thousands, are suffering long term effects of illness. As many and as bad as road accident survivors in thailand.

 

Thailand covid situation might be as bad over time, as in the other countries, when the uk, brasilian, south african strains do arrive sometimes and astrazeneca delivery would be delayed, ineffective for those strains or faulty (poor quality).

 

 

 

Actually they officially died With not Of, gov has been very careful with  wording for a  reason. Only last week they  admitted at least 23% had no link to Covid in their deaths at all but were falsely added in. Also, not one person is recorded of dying from influenza in the past year in the UK, which of course is a statistical impossibility so its likely to to be even more mis reported covid deaths attributed. Hospitalisations did not get to the point of one special unit (nightingale ) being used or needed. Ventilators and the use of was also quickly identified as being the wrong treatment and as since been revised .  But yes many less are killed on the roads in the UK but still far more die of cancer and heart disease or any the other top 10 reasons. In fact the UK past years total deaths even with covid is actually "below" the 5 year average.  Amazing huh ? You can find that data at public health England. 

Long term effects is still unknown as is much of the data and long term useful or effectiveness with any of the vaccines since the trails ARE the rollout.  "strains" are in fact just mutations of the same original, which btw they have never isolated or been allowed to investigate or have data of by China where it indisputably originated, and yes that is a real problem with any new virus not having the original or isolated it. Variants will increase over time and this is a natural cycle of any virus as it disperses into the global population not something to be overly feared.

Its a terrible thing to live in fear and imo totally unnecessary.  Yes its a thing, yes it can kill but  we also live with every disease known and every strain throughout history today, we will simply add this to the list and get on with life,vaccines will not stop  the pandemic imo only herd immunity and mutation to the point of it becoming as harmless to 99.9% of us as all the rest of the  Rhino/Covid variations floating about out there. 

People will always  die of something. Being a Buddhist myself Its not a concern to me how. 

9 minutes ago, MasterBaker said:

sounds like a herd immunity will be a natural way for Thailand

Thats the only way for the world, always has been. 

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

Seems dire growth to me. The growth equal to say ONE  house in London !

Yea but that house dosnt come with a certification mark in the Cantonese language by the Intellectual Property Department of Hong Kong.. so there ????

Dangerous variants come out after 9pm, rest of the day no problemo. 

Oh is it pin the tail on the covid donkey cases time again ? ????