englishoak

Waste only a week of an average vacation in quarantine ? naaa dont think so, ill pass and so will 99% of tourists. 

Another Mayweather type dance about with the gate being the only aim no doubt.. 

See Tyson is doing the rounds for the over 50s match too, apparently there are a large number of over hill old sports people dying to get in a late in life huge pay day for mincing about as an old fart pretending to be young again.. how sad. 

What a farce sports have become, like everything else these days its just about money. ...such a shame but hey ho, if mugs will pay for it someone will take the coin... 

8 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

So shall we just let the over 60s die ?

 

Idiot 

Dont be ridiculous. Read the data properly, stop taking MSM headlines as the whole picture and do try to stop being so hyperbolic. 

If you are over 60 and in good health there is more chance of dying from a stroke. Even the over 60s WITH existing conditions have a 99% + survival rate...it dosnt even get above 1% until over 80 and on top of that it is other existing conditions that make it a problem. The average age of those who have died is 81 and two thirds already had multiple existing conditions, not just one which they may or may not have died of anyway. Its no different than a bad infulenza season which also takes its toll on a similar demographic..

Perhaps it would be better those multiple existing conditions take responsibility and self isolate while the rest of the population gets on with keeping things and society running for them. These are also the people who are most at risk from having their check ups, appointments and badly needed treatments cancelled or postponed and for them thats serious. 

It does no one any good if the entire country is crippled economically and socially. 

Love you too Scott.. Ill just stick with gov facts then

Statistics from the ONS is out... Since February related to CV19 deaths based on only those WITHOUT other conditions deaths is as follows. 

Of those in the age group under 20 with no other known pre existing conditions deaths recorded to purely CV19... 4 those with an existing condition that died.  16 ... total 20

Of those in the age group under 40 with no other known pre existing conditions deaths recorded to purely CV19... 39 those with an existing condition that died..181 ... total 220

Of those in the age group under 60 with no other known pre existing conditions deaths recorded purely to CV19... 307

These arnt my figures or a guess or an interpretation, these are undisputed facts that anyone if they are bothered can read and add up for themselves.. the data is from the UK Office Of National Statistics, it is what the gov constantly uses for its data and is considered the gold standard, all related documents and numbers relating to above info and all manner of other charts can be found here. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datalist?sortBy=release_date&query=&fromDateDay=&fromDateMonth=&fromDateYear=&toDateDay=&toDateMonth=&toDateYear=&size=50

Look for yourselves and decide.

Wow no one saw a thing but a pic of a broken speedo makes all the sickos come out .. you do realise needles can get jammed in a crash at any point as the rev counter also shows and no the car wasnt capable of 200kpm.

People making assumptions here are just like Thai police opening their holes without thinking., but even they dont make disrespectful nasty comments about someone they dont even know in an incident they have no clue about but assumptions.. perhaps someday youll die or your kid or good friend might .. no loss to anyone though and obviously deserved it right ? you sickos. 

Imagine a virus so deadly, you need a test just to see if you have it. 

Not sure whats more amazing the news cycle that still finds all manner of things to panic and make headlines about or the idiots that fall for the same old shtick and go off on the usual waaa waa waa... as usual it will work out.. the sky isnt going to fall in and never does... wont be happening so best the drama queens stop salivating it will, or look stupid ... again. 

14 hours ago, Emdog said:

"A recent summary of the latest data by the CDC shows that about two-thirds of the COVID-19 transmissions in the U.S. come from people not showing symptoms – either because their cases are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. According to the CDC, this “underscores the importance of social distancing, including the avoidance of congregate settings, to reduce COVID-19 spread.”" Maybe this article will help you as you seem to have "no idea" https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/resources/covid-19-faqs-for-health-professionals.html

"Fact, we are all going to die and over third of us wont get any notice at all... it'll just happen." Well, duh. And most people only suffer one fatal incident in their lives. BTW death doesn't "just happen". One reason for autopsies.

There is a big difference between being prudent and living in fear. Hmm if I am fat, infirm or paranoid then it is okay to live in fear?

I am "getting on with my life", and part of that is avoiding doing overly risky things as best I can. One reason I don't have a motorbike here, for example

Sorry but I do not believe the asymptomatic claims. That article isnt hard to disbelieve, its the CDC and they change their line constantly like the WHO... if the claim of two thirds were true there would be zero point taking any measures,  Covid is supposedly special and extra sneaky to be the most asymptomatic virus in history, also so weak to the point of not even manifesting symptoms for most that contract it then it isnt a real risk at all to 99%, which is what the data shows anyway..  it makes little sense other than if its propaganda designed to scare. Which I believe it is.

BTW death does just happen, fully a third of us die with no warning, Autopsies cant fix the dead. 

I have owned bikes all my life including Thailand and rode one most every day, despite living in BKK, had my share of spills sure but it never stopped me riding. I dive too, used to rock climb, did motor sports, horse riding, snowboarding, sledging and all manner of stuff considered high risk, I have never avoided doing overly risky things just because. If you had a love for bikes but are not prepared to ride one in Thailand because of muh road statistics id call it fear rather than prudence yes.

Each to their own. Stay well and safe and prudent all you wish, i still think its mass hysteria and simple fear of the unseen.. a boogyman that scares adults... For me life is too short and living is a risk, ive been dead before too when quite young so thats probably got a lot to do with my views about life and risk taking, what will be will be.. its probably also why im a Buddhist too. 

Be well and stay well though... and i mean that sincerely 

When it comes to running countries and economies scientists are the last ones youd want involved, UK is stupidly putting faith in models that are themselves predictions based on assumptions not data and as the data grows its clear the model being used was always flawed and they wont admit they were wrong before and wrong now.. Chief health advisor and science officer are working on a  model based on what ifs and could bes in the face of growing contradictory data, and they are still running with we all gonna die mantra... which as they dont live in the economic or real business world is a disaster for the rest of us who depend on a working economy. These twits are trying to save face as more will end up dying from cancelled tests, doctors visits and minor ops and all manner of catch it early and deal with it better policy we have had for years.. thats now all out the window thanks to these model mad scientists.. 

This obsession for testing is polarising everything.. the lock down model and policy is quite obviously wrong and has been since it wont stop a virus from spreading, it was about flattening the curve to begin with.. well its flatlined completely, at some point its become all about cases and obsessing over that.. 

The more they test the more they will find cases, especially as the tests pick up ANY Corona or Rhino debris, old or current and flag it as positive. Bingo you have cv19 and must stay home, despite getting flagged most never even get symptoms. Over the past 2 weeks so far 5 people we know that got tested came up positive so have had to isolate, interestingly not one got sick nor showed any symptoms so we did a bit of cross referencing, approx 25 other family members had to stay home as a result and we think around another 50 or so should have through interactions but thats really just speculation and based on facebook posts etc..guess what ? no one so far has actually reported being sick of feeling sick... so far anyway, I find that very telling.. Either the test is not that accurate or the virus is not that contagious or has deteriorated to the point of its no longer a dangerous virus for society, only the very few and infirm, just as the cold or influenza can be and other diseases we can transmit on to others. 

More and more are being flagged positive with zero symptoms as the testing ramps up..being asymptomatic AND contagious is really rare and there is mountains of data for most contagions we have to deal with to back that up which means people almost certainly arnt contagious and the whole approach is one big fail. Even the CDC i believe just walked back the claim it can be airborne.... 

Ahh well despite the claims of London is rife im still going into London every day not wearing a nosebag, wont go to these places that demand personal details, wont have track and trace apps on the phone and will not be volunteering for any test. If I get sick this year i will bet it will be from a cold if its CV19 np ill deal with it then  and get on with life as much as these expert plonkers allow us to. 

Ok rant over, off to work for me.

3 minutes ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said:

Thailand the world's visa hub.

And every one of them but VOA not fit for purpose. 

Wonderful consistency with the PPE there, masks, Clear visors, then nothing and no social distancing.. obviously your immune when making merit but not in photo shoots 

Great to know, I shall avoid dealing with the new Thomas Crook just like the original. 

Its passed the first stage easily... 360 to 263.

What none of the MSM mentions is the DUP are 100% behind this change and for good reason.. NI is part of the UK and any possibility of tariffs to any UK region from another is totally unacceptable and tbh deplorable it should even be mentioned in passing by the EU let alone agreed to in the beginning by the UK gov, but i guess it was move forward and rehash later at the time, that time is now since Barnier brought up the threat in negotiations.. more fool him.  

It will pass and that will be that...despite the yapping and pearl clutching..  the EU can still have a deal if they change their tune of dummy out the pram throwing or not... No deal is acceptable to most now in the UK and no surprise should it happen.. thanks to Barnier and Co.

Its got nothing to do with climate change btw, thats just the political line. 

Bad or little to none forestry management for more than a decade is what is to blame.  If you dont do controlled burns in a fire prone  region there will be no natural firebreaks the resulting fires will spread far more and California is the worst of the worst at dumb green regulations that often make things much much worse..... 

Nature grows, nature dies and gets dry, unless someone clears away said tinder nature will do that too, with fire... better to manage with controlled fires than out of control ones. 

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I read and believe what people such as Mattis have to say about trump, not his internet supporters who have no personal knowledge of the man. Sad when trump supporters advocate betraying an US ally who lost so many lives fighting IS - there again confirms the true nature of America First ideology under trump.

I prefer to watch what people do rather than say, Mattis is a classic war hawk, nothing less and has no more credibility than anyone else on or off the net, Generals lie, its part of their job role to do so.  Why on earth should American lives not come first to America ?  Everyone lost lives fighting IS who did, the Kurds were/are trying to secure a homeland and thats the agenda for them, others have differing objectives. Personally pulling out imo is by far the best for American lives, it dosnt need the mess and should have gone home long ago and that includes the whole region.. but yknow... war mongering Bushes Clintons, Obama policies did otherwise. Some are far too used to meddling in the ME,  Luckily Policies can change when leaderships change and the USA is no different, thats nothing new just you dont like the change because its Trump setting policy thats all.

To embark on a different foreign policy brings other options, it can make make others used to having the USA doing their work for them think again. Like for instance Israel and the Arab nations making peace. America dosnt have to fight wars to stay or be strong. Trump as much as you might hate him is not a war president, even though the left have been screeching muh Orange hitler etc. Call me old fashioned but I like peace, peace is good and I hope we see peace breaking out all over the ME and the region after decades of wasted lives.