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7 hours ago, david555 said:

It is a waste of time....both sides opinions are too much different .

Just stop the circus so both can go on with their future on their own.....out should be out with that 1 foot that was only in...! ?

I understand the sentiment David, we are all frustrated by the way this is going.  Truth is though that we cannot just go our own ways because we are so interlinked.  We need to employ and train thousands of customs and border officials.  We need to re-write laws, sort out the Irish border, try desperately to replace the thousands of hospital doctors, nurses and ancillary hospital workers that will leave, not to mention the thousands of people who do the menial jobs that Brits won't do.  Actually the list is endless and to avoid the economy collapsing completely we have to try to protect our trading operations with the European countries that make up 40% of our exports.

There are those who seem to believe that the negotiations are progressing behind the scenes.  Well this latest development shows us that no such progress is being made. 

I am sure we all wish this wasn't happening, whichever side we are on. It is an unmitigated disaster and will only end in damaging the UK badly.

9 hours ago, ezzra said:

The man is between the hammer and a hard place, damn if he will

and damn if he won't, as the sword of Damocles is ever hanging  

precariously over his head in anything and everthing he dose or doesn't do.....

Trump should never be in this position.....  Literally, the American people should never have elected this poisonous imbecile to be POTUS.  He isn't between a hammer and a hard place.  He has just shown the world that he is incapable of holding a position of power.

More and more people are distancing themselves from Trump.  Nobody with an ounce of self respect would want to be associated with this moron.  It is encouraging to see so many people standing up against the Alt right.  It was always on the cards that Trump would divide the country with his ludicrous vitriol.  It is important now that the people and the media keep the pressure on and get this fool removed for good!

Just more rubbish from the POTUS.  Laughable but expected from the buffoon I guess.

Well I am not that well versed in shark bites but I have seen lots of pictures of them over the years and that looks nothing like any I have seen before.  The cuts look much more like slashes to me with no bite marks visible at all.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's very difficult to remove any president, including a total disaster like 45. Historically, the best chance is health reasons. With an obese 71 year old with high stress, poor diet, and no exercise, that's definitely the best chance to see trump leave prematurely. 

And he is scared of stairs...... Must be an opportunity there?  I know it takes a lot to get rid of a President but this is now getting very dangerous.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I don't doubt it. Not referring to you personally, but I also don't doubt that a large portion of the world is happy to see the USA fall apart by electing an insane clown president. But they should be careful what they wish for. 

Well I don't want the USA to fall apart but I fear if they don't act quickly it could happen.  The message to the rest of the world is that America made a big mistake and it is costing them dearly.  Hopefully most can see that it is Trump who is the cancer and not the country as a whole.  Getting rid of the POTUS would be the first step to regaining some semblance of credibility.  

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The alt-left doesn't exist

The term was invented on Fox News.

It's FAKE.

I doubt you'll find any leftists that actually identify as alt-left.

On the other hand, millions of Americans identify as alt-right. 

When it comes to the USA and speaking as a Brit, I would say that you are absolutely right about there being no Alt-left.  In Europe they would be considered slightly left of centre.  But to make a point in TV to the American pro Trump boys (who view any mildly socialist views as being far left communism) then the Alt-left description is one I think they will understand  

42 minutes ago, Belzybob said:

Its all old news and scaremongering

Ok so let's say it is scaremongering.  Wouldn't be the first time concerning Brexit, just ask Farage.  So who is the scaremongering supposed to be scaring?  The EU or the British public?

1 hour ago, HungWell said:

Changed their minds only because this particular outsider is an idiot.

But it's the idiot Putin wanted as POTUS and that made the difference.  The others would have needed to win on their own merit and that doesn't happen in American elections.

I think this thread indicates the two camps on TV and both are dogged in their opinions.  In the USA (and most other democracies) there are the Alt-right and the Alt-left and in the middle the vast proportion of the population.  The alt-right love Trump because he is one of them and the alt-left hate him with a vengeance for the same reason.  So that leaves us with the rest.  Now depending on what news channel you listen to Trump has a popularity rating of between  22% and 33%.  Even taking the higher figure of 33% that makes him the most unpopular President (at this stage) of any that went before him.  In other words those people that make up the vast majority of American citizens think he is rubbish. 

2 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

On the other hand, the British consumer will be able to buy cheap Parma ham made in Cardiff, Roquefort from Liverpool, Belgian chocolate from Londonderry, etc.

 

No doubt they will but wait!  Does anyone believe that the British suppliers won't increase their prices into line with their European competitors?  Please tell me this is all a nightmare and I will wake up soon.

9 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Bannon is a cancer and a scourge on society. His very presence in the White House is a disgrace. If Trump wants us to believe he is not a racist, firing this bigot would be a very good start.

Trump and Bannon are peas from the same pod and they are both a cancer and a scourge on society.

Great threat!  If we don't reach a deal then all Brits are going to have pay more for goods from the EU.  Really good news for the consumers in the UK.  The stupidity is mind blowing!  

56 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Everyone is simple speculating. Unless they know what Exactly what is being discussed behind closed doors. Makes me wonder if the Remoaners on T.V. Show their cards,when playing poker.

Game of poker?  to play poker you need people sitting at the same table.  So far the UK haven't turned up with any chips to play with.

I do like your blind faith though that beneath the surface they are all negotiating away and winning points every day   

27 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

He's always been inept. Not that that's a barrier to progression in politics.

 

But, a shrewd negotiator would have demanded audited EU accounts be produced first as a firm, level, and neutral starting point. Not the Juncker/Barnier/Merkel/Macron back of a fag packet wish list calculations.

 

When was the last time the EU produced audited certified accounts?

Well shrewd negotiators we ain't got.  They are all on the EU side and they hold most of the cards.  At the moment the UK cannot get beyond the start gate.  It is not just a matter of Davis and the boys (and girl) being inept, they have been given a mountain to climb and only second hand plimsoles to do it.  

3 minutes ago, steve187 said:

best to leave this thread to the '' Brexit is crazy'' brigade, as they seem to have all the answers

Quite right because the Brexit brigade never can find anything positive to say in defence.

Nice avatar though.  I used to drive a mark one Lotus Cortina many years ago  

OK so Davis is now saying the UK wants a "customs union agreement" to run through the transition period.  This means that if that period runs until 2022 (which is very likely) then we will not be able to do any trade agreements anywhere outside of the EU until after that date and not (as was thought) at the point of exit.  Before any of the "just leave now" brigade start their rants, best to look at the reasons Davis has asked for this.  He admits that on leaving the EU there would be chaos if an agreement cannot be agreed on the customs union.  So if we just left now just how much chaos do you think the country would be in?

The EU has responded saying that until the divorce outline is agreed they cannot discuss any of these issues.  

3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

wow…pure and dangerous speculation.

Maybe but spot on the money!

Clueless as usual.  This statement says nothing at all except we won't fix a figure by October or November or.....  They just stagger along getting nowhere.  The transition period should be over by the next election in 2022 which is five years away  How much more embarrassing can this get?

3 minutes ago, mikebike said:

I'm sorry iReason but there definitely IS a bat there.

Probably one of the drivers back up team   

49 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Japan is deploying missile defense systems and has potentially said they might do a preemptive strike. What a mess Kim has stirred up.

Rubbish!

46 minutes ago, mikebike said:

If I was contemplating being anywhere near a KKK/Neo Nazi/White Supremacist rally would I contemplate bringing a weapon for self-defence or would I be OK with being a possible victim/martyr? 

 

WWJD? Be a victim/martyr no doubt. I just don't think I'm there.

 

If I had just seen a crowd of people bowled over like skittles would I punch, kick, strike the guilty vehicle with anything at hand? Yeah, without hesitation.

 

Et tu PJ?

 

 

Apparently the car has threatened to sue.  It is upset that after it was deliberately driven into a crowd of people killing one and injuring many, some of the people had the audacity to attack it!   In a statement the car said "Look I am just a car and not the moronic lowlife driving it.  While I appreciate that the people were actually trying to get to the piece of sh*t driving the car, I was the only one to be attacked".

Trump has been slapped down by the Chinese and so has Kim.  Let's move on.

10 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

OK if you say so, the ANTIFA are completely non violent, no way any of them would be carrying baseball bats at a protest.

The guy in the video, just had a stick for his sign that may or may not have looked like a baseball bat, and the rear window of the car was probably damaged already hence why the soft little stick was able to smash it, as if it was a baseball bat.

 

Or, maybe he was nothing to do with the ANTIFA and was just passing on his way to baseball practice.  Either way, no way any ANTIFA had any baseball bats ever ever ever. 

Well I must have seen another recording because I saw both sides carrying weapons of one type or another.  However only one side had the moral high ground and they certainly have the backing of the vast majority of Americans to beat the sh*t out of the white supremacists and their neo Nazi chums.