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2 minutes ago, citybiker said:

I disagree, he was far more arrogant than TM

I agree he was very arrogant but looking at his record against TM's fiasco it is a close call.

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

The commentators( as in the BBC) have got it wrong again.

I am not talking about the BBC although they all use the same analysts.  I am not talking about the turn out numbers themselves although you should compare the general election numbers separately as they are not relevant to the referendum, which was a one off. This election had a turnout of 68.7% up on the 2015 election which was 66.1%.

For all his faults (and there were many) can't help feeling that Cameron would have been far preferable to May or any of the current shower.

3 minutes ago, Jack100 said:

Seems we live in interesting times .................

I think that can be taken as the understatement of the year so far!

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

How do you know, that the young came out this time in larger numbers?

It is what all the commentators have been saying all night and the analysts are now confirming that.  Just watch the ongoing reporting all over the media.

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

What brings you to the conclusion that the British have had second thoughts about Brexit. 

I don't think that Britain has had second thoughts as much as this time people who didn't bother to vote in the referendum have now come out and voted.  If they had done that in the first place then the remainers would have won by quite a margin.  Some of the Brexiteers will have changed their minds now they can see the mistake but many will soldier on regardless.

Maybe this is the tide turning and we can all enjoy a sigh of relief if that is the case!

1 hour ago, selftaopath said:

I agree with you and hope 45's party is known/remembered for they lack of integrity etc. I don't understand how the Dems are weak however? Granted the electoral college screwed them 2x but they did get 3 million more votes than the lying fat man.

I think Clinton did the democrats a lot of harm and now she has gone they need to regain their credibility. 

Let's look at the May screw-ups since becoming PM which may explain the result we have today

Making Boris Foreign Secretary

Announcing that she was favouring a hard Brexit and "No Deal is better than a bad deal" before the negotiations even started.

Sucking up to President Trump when everyone else was rejecting him

Continuing the pulling of resources for the NHS and the police

Back-tracking on calling a snap election

Proposing the hugely unpopular dementia tax

Not debating when everyone else did in the election campaign

That is just a small selection illustrating why people turned against her in huge numbers.  When you consider just how poor the opposition is, that makes it even more of a disaster

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why not kill them, look at the pension we would save?

Steady on, that would wipe out the majority of the TV members in one hit!

12 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

Strangely I had the opposite thought: increase the voting age to at least 30 ( and 40 in Scotland).

You mean the Scots live to be that old?

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Ruth Davidson, the Tories did well in Scotland?

Yes they did and that was the protest voters who didn't want a second referendum.  Without that swing to the Conservatives the Tories would really be screwed.

May needed a wake-up call to show just how dissatisfied the British public really are.

15 minutes ago, nontabury said:

I don't think so. I've looked at the breakdown in a number of the constituencies,and quickly came  to the conclusion,that May thought that the UKIP vote would automatically support her. She then stupidly and arrogantly took her eye off the ball, and included in her manifesto the so-called Dementia tax. The result, more than half of the UKIP vote moved over to Labour.

A large factor was that for once the young came out and voted.  Quite rightly because this is their future that May is screwing up.  Maybe everyone over the age of sixty five should be banned from voting?

So as predicted by many on TV.  I voted for the Lib Dems simply to unseat the local Tory candidate and many others here did the same. Mission accomplished!

But what does this hung parliament mean. It is likely that the Conservatives will stay in power with a little help from a minor party, probably the Northern Irish party.  Maybe as a “confidence and supply” agreement or maybe as a coalition. The result has seriously damaged May but she will try to hang on the  PM role. Her handling of Brexit, her position on the NHS, the police numbers and the stupid dementia tax has led to this and the fact she shied away from debates and interviews have painted her as a coward.

Brexit is now much harder but will have to be much softer to get through the house.   May really should fall on her sword over this but who can pick up the baton?  Johnson will screw everything up and Amber Rudd only just hung on to her seat.

10 hours ago, webfact said:

he said that he had been drunk and had a high need for sex

Sounds like the majority of drunken men everywhere but what has that got to do with molesting a child?

Not enough to impeach by a long way, but Comey more than credible.  Trump should be having sleepless nights but is he savvy enough to see it?  Who will the world believe Comey or Trump....no brainer it is Comey every time!

For me the best solution to all of this for the Tories to stay in power with a reduced majority but with May gone and replaced by someone else.  There is the rub though because I cannot come up with a viable replacement who is capable of administering realistic negotiations over Brexit.  A coalition between L/LD/SNP would be a complete disaster for the country.  I have voted today but I fear we are all p*ssing in the wind!

It is pretty stupid to come out with her statement about walking away with no deal even before the negotiations have started.  You never give away your position before sitting down at the table.  If she walks away with no deal then she will have failed and if she gives way over the key issues then she will have failed.  She has put herself in a very precarious position and handed the advantage to the other side.

Clocks ticking and it's nearly time.  BBC news covering it live, apparently all the bars in the US are going to be packed and people are stopping whatever they are doing to watch it.  Not bad for a "nothing burger"

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's not even "pressure". Asking someone to do something is just that. Pressure would be adding something like "I'll make you life hell if you don't" or such.

Obstruction would be "ordering" him to stop investigating Flynn.

Or saying I will sack you if you don't tow the line!

5 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I wonder if there will be any reports on the youth turnout. Maybe more voters in university areas and suchlike.  As I understand it, most of the polls use models that predict low youth turnout which would be in line with past elections. But since this might be a way of registering their displeasure with brexit, the raising of tuition fees, and the cutbacks to the NHS, maybe that will result in a higher turnout.

I think you are right.  I actually think there will be a larger turnout than the 2015 election and if that means more young voters then that must help Labour

36 minutes ago, Basil B said:

I doubt the Tories will have less than a majority, but I doubt they will gain many more seats either.

 

Going to be a pointless exercise other than reducing the SNP presence in the House, she will have the same problem, too many Tory backbench dissenters. 

Well if the Tories have a majority with reduced seats then May will have difficulties with her Brexit commitments.  Many of the Tory MPs were ardent remainers and will resist her attempts to push through a hard Brexit.  She really needs to hold onto the seats she has and add to them for her to achieve her goals in the timescale she has promised.

The worst case scenario is likely to be May not achieving a majority, triggering a coalition between Labour, Lib Dems and the SNP.  Given the commitment by the Lib Dems and the SNP to scupper Brexit and Corbyn only half heartedly in favour then....... Well you can work it out yourselves. 

I still doubt it will come to that but if it does then better break out the tin helmets!

29 minutes ago, 55Jay said:

I wouldn't know.  It's your litmus, you brought it up, so you go girl, give 'em a lick, and let us know what you find out. 

 

Thanks for that!  On reflection and judging by the many reports, trying to find Trump's balls would prove nigh on impossible, the moron hasn't got any!  Apart from that I have no desire to become a part of the FBI so I will leave the ball's licking to others more qualified than me. 

1 hour ago, toofarnorth said:

I am selfish with you , the Baht - quid needs to improve .

Not sure it is being selfish at all.  If it is then I am guilty of wanting a stronger pound as well.  My wife and I send money to support a charity in Thailand and my business involves buying Thai goods in sterling.  However I don't think that a Tory win will make any difference to the pound apart from maybe a twenty four hour blip.  Happy to be wrong on that though.

10 minutes ago, 55Jay said:

I have to agree.  This choice doesn't pass the smell test.

But does it pass the ball's licking test!

27 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

The Saudis sheiks are clearly obeying White House instructions

Really?

6 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

 

The Arab Boy Choir featuring Donaldo Trumparotti with a soprano solo for the discerning attendees, hit it Don!

I notice in the picture that the two gentlemen either side of Trump are protecting their genitals.  Clearly they are aware of Trump's reputation as a genital grabber!