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Yeah my girlfriend is out checking out options for a new apartment now, but it still brings my **** to a boil to let people get away with crap like this, and having to retreat because the worthless owner of the apartment complex won´t throw people out when they act uncivilized.

Well at least the owner of the apartment complex isn't totally, completely out of his (her?) mind. Everyone else in this story seems to be.

It may come as shock to some, or many, that there are those of us who get along very well without Zuckerberg's monster. [snip] [snip]

comma says a man who requires a website forum to get his message out. Irony, thou has changed thy name to freebyrd.

Also, everyone here should watch his "mouth". The patriots who seized power to direct us to a better Thailand are VERY active on Facebook, and were (as you can see from the name of the wall) even before the actual coup. If you know what's good for you, you will praise those who make the correct and nation-loving use of this marvelous website called Facebook.

There is an "Ask the Lawyer" section in this forum. You should ask over there......

On the theory that "lawyers need a laugh, too"?

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So much wild speculations in this thread.

Cutting the internet would hurt business very badly, which means it will hurt the supporters of the military and international interest, which would mean foreign scrutiny and it would hurt the economy long-term.

nothing brings in the UN like hurting the pockets of international corporations. remember the opium war where china had to give up hong kong? that was caused by the east india company losing money by having thier opiums confiscated. so unless thailand wanna give up phuket after the CIA discovered a secret stash of WMDs then no, there will be no turning off the internet.

Mr Derp, are you sure that it's not a bit of wild speculation to assume the CIA would attack Thailand like the UN attacked China in the Opium War and the reason the Thai army will not cut the internet is because they are absolutely frightened out of their wits by that certain CIA attack?

Are you SURE that's not wild speculation? It seems just a... well, a tiny tad ... you know, a little.... weird?

Your posts about the army are uncalled for, whether you like it or not, the corrupt part of government is in the background, also if there is some problems as there will be, we don't have to take all this as anti army stuff most of them are not dissimilar to you they hate to admit that a diabolical government has been swept aside.

Your last sentence is a lie------------any poster wishing to see how many likes I get can re read my posts. I DO NOT POST TO GET LIKES.

Over the last few days one of my posts did get I think 15 likes ----here is confirm your lie. do not post to me as I hate posters that deliberately lie.

You needn't shout.

I presume the important word in the meat of your post is "government", because it certainly can't be "corrupt". Corruption has moved much closer to the foreground with this coup. It's true that the focus of corruption has moved off the government for the moment. We can hope it doesn't lose focus entirely and re-focuses on the clear and present corruption of those in charge, where it should be. THEN it can move back to the government (the bureaucracy) and gain more steam. And then whatever regime follows the army bloodletting this time, should it encourage corruption as has every regime in the recent past. We can hope.

It's hard to tell from your post, but if you think the appearance of the army means a lessening of corruption, ... well, I'm going to assume you aren't that naive, but you should make it clearer so people don't think that's what you mean.

I'll save you the Ascii and spittle. I'm an equal-opportunity corruption hater. And I know a little bit about who and what agencies are corrupt.

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I am pleased these have all been delayed. There are more important things for the Army to resolve at the moment. Frivolous court civil cases from both sides should be tossed as they are a waste of time and money.

I agree. You can't have law, order, justice and the courts interfering in a decent society. Thank goodness for judges who see that and know their place.

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Just go to the bank or do two ATM withdrawls. Most ATM's allow you to withdraw 50,000 a day.

At banks there can be a limit you can withdraw in case if it is not your own branch office. At least at my bank I can only withdraw 300,000 in cash a day from other brances. If I need more I have to go to my own branch. 50,000 should not be a problem.

I think you're wrong Mario, most banks allow 20000 baht per day as far as I'm aware and higher amounts have to be arranged. 50000 over the counter wont be a problem however (as long as you have the funds)

You are wrong, lopburi3 was correct. The Bangkok Bank transaction limit is 25,000 baht, which can be repeated over and over and over until you reach the end of your account OR the amount you personally set as a daily limit. (Or drain the ATM, that's possible.)

Individual ATMs may allow less because they aren't yet (re-)programmed or physically capable of delivering 25 bills. That is nothing to do with the BBL transaction limit.

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Cutting off international sites would be pretty straightforward. Just disconnect the cables to the outside world.

Disabling Thai websites, however, would require individual ISPs to be shut down. Under the current legal framework, I assume that could be done by a simple edict from the military junta.

ATMs would continue to work since they are not connected via the Internet (far too insecure). They are connected by leased line or dial-up.

However, I concur that it's unlikely unless the situation deteriorates significantly. After all, the junta has already demonstrated that it's prepared to cut off access to information with its closing down of all TV stations for 24 hours or so.

"Shutting down the internet" is very simple for the Thai Army. They know how, they know where. They are highly knowledgeable about it, probably more than anyone in the country.

But there are huge problems with turning Thailand into Southeast Asia's North Korea. Many very big, important businesses depend, I mean *DEPEND* on the cloud. There would be no air service possible, or very little. Almost all trade would cease. Much of day-to-day market operations would stop. And the general's wife would complain quite loudly about her Hay Day business. The army itself is heavily invested in the internet for its operations at many levels on and behind the lines.

The answer is that "the internet" COULD be shut down, but never will be.

A more pertinent answer: Some of it already has been shut down, and more will be. How much of it, and what exact parts will be shut down are good questions for speculation for some people, but not me. I take refuge in what the big-money TV correspondents say: "Only time will tell".

But the bottom line here is the same as the top line up ^^^ there: whatever the junta decides it would like to happen about the internet, that will happen, efficiently and quickly just as it is already happening. If you haven't already seen this, you sure soon will, guaranteed:

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Wrong, let me clear this up for you as all you are doing is helping to get people in trouble. It was already announced that international travelers needing to go/come to the airports could do so between 10pm and 5am, but that the transport companies involved would need a letter of permission first. Quite simple really.

Wow. "Simple" is an excellent description. Also a good description of the post itself. Let's try ACCURATE now.

From the Thai press:

The curfew imposed between 10pm and 5am will not apply to specific groups of people, the military's National Peace and Order Maintaining Council (NPOMC) has announced.

Also why jump in the Klong i agree that is the last place i would go.

So, just like you, it was the last place she went.

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Lots of stories today with (name withheld).

I wonder how many are being created to diffuse attention from the real news> as all of our accounts are checked and double checked for lese majeste.

Who really wants to know about 2am. Taxi drivers are going against curfew too? I doubt that very much.

Maybe the woman was armed with a huge prawn too!

I heard the broadcast too. Despite that, the curfew only applies to people who don't have a reason to be out after 10pm. Things are still reasonably busy all night, and main roads will always have a taxi for you. The real reason for the curfew is in case someone is a bad boy and the army can't think of any other reason to lock him up. There's no other reason for it, and in no way is in enforced against PEOPLE (not businesses) who are outside after 10pm.

Only people who think there is one law and it is always applied would believe in the curfew fairy.

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This is a mixed up report... very bad media produce.

Who were actually accused and charged with terrorism?

None of the leaders actually committed a terrorist act, even though Tarit tried to get them on terrorism, didn't the criminal court disagree and refused the warrants?

At worst it was classed as sedition.

Also the figures all seem mixed up, a very confusing report that I will have to rely on the BP for a better version.... as usual.

Also, why has Tarit and Adul as well as the Attorney Gen all been retained? They are all mates with Thaksin, I thought this was a purge of the Thaksin regime?... Surely to get rid of cancer. you have to cut out every last cell.

I am sort of expecting it to have already been arranged that all will receive 2 years suspended sentences. That's how it works here.

I see the UDD mob are not being released yet..... good.

If you are right, and it is a 2 Year Suspended Sentence, this is not the same as getting away scot free.

Along with this sentence comes a Criminal Record.

As to most countries I know which I suspect Thailand is one to, with a Criminal Record you are not allowed to:

1) Hold Public Office.

2) To be the Head of, or on any Executive Committee, of any Corporation or Public Traded Company.

3) Refused entry into many Countries included the Americas and Europe.

4) Refused a Passport, if this is part of the Suspended Sentence, which in many cases it is, or turn it in to Authorities if you do hold one.

5) Keep the piece and not to commit any other offense during this time.

6) Restricted from many jobs that require a Criminal Records Check.

And I am sure many others.

A Pardon may be granted after some years, but this is not mandatory, nor can it be taken for granted. .

Tarit and Adul and many MANY others are gone.

Goldbuggy is quite right, but for Suthep, none of those knock-on punishments really apply. The corrupt old man has already said he is retired from politics, and as the good crony and corruption supporter he is, he is leaving it all to his son - his real son, not the son of his current wife who MAY be badly hurt if convicted, although that is actually unlikely.

All the other things like not travelling to Disneyland and not getting a job because of the criminal record - none of that matters to Suthep in any manner. To Suthep, a suspended sentence is less than an annoyance, it gives him cred with many of his criminal cronies.

His co-defendants, including the son of his wife, may not be so dismissive of a suspended sentence.

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Releasing those on bail, have the authorities confiscated their passports? It never seems to get mentioned. I wonder why?

I'm not clear why no one looks into Thai law. All accused (in the criminal court system) have the right to bail. Everyone. No matter the charge. People are denied bail in very unusual circumstances, mostly flight risk or if the judge thinks the perp will threaten witnesses.

I think Suthep is the man who taught Thaksin how to be corrupt. I wouldn't pour your wine on him if he spontaneously combusted at the next table to us. But he is just as entitled to correct justice as you and me, and the court has acted completely according to the law here.

And I would also point out that the dreadful Thaksin person left Thailand with the permission of the court. The judge specifically authorised him (and his wife at that time) their passports and gave them permission to leave. Thaksin only lied about returning, hoodwinking the judge, who acted pretty much like any judge, anywhere in Thailand, would act, and rightly so under Thai law. He was a Supreme Court judge, you may recall.

Suthep has no reason to leave Thailand and every reason to stay here. As of now, on those charges, he is the lowest flight risk outside of my neighbour's pet python. Even a token 100,000 baht is just a formal gesture on both sides, a step above a wink, nod and handshake.

I can't believe I am defending the country's two biggest criminals and the often unreliable and... shall we agree on "quirky"?... quirky courts. But everything here today went down in a completely legal manner and at some point even the ThaiVisa Team Of Legal Experts just has to accept that.

Already under discussion, although only for the _law-breaking patriotic military officers, toadies and cronies. Really. An amnesty is necessary because they broke the law and right after they are forced to return the country to its rightful owners and regulators, they could face treason charges unless they first get an amnesty law.

cf: 12 other successful coups, 11 unsuccessful coups.

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Total ignorance and lack of common sense on the mother's part.

Definitely. There is no way a man could take any responsibility just because a child was drowning, it wouldn't be fair to men worldwide.

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A big congratulation to Gen. Prayuth Chan-o-cha on a job well done in rounding up the mess that has been plaguing this country for the last 8 years. It is very clear that democracy does not work for Thailand as the society is not structured in such a way that it can be accepted widely by all. Thailand has not matured that way. There is nothing wrong with this fact as we know that there are a lot of other nations in our region such as Singapore and China that do not adhere to full democracy but are still able to progress and prosper better other countries that does. Multiple wasteful elections have failed to bring the nation together as one, stalling the country and leaving its citizens physically and intellectually handicapped. Thais must not let the west impose their rules and system on us.

It is time for the new government under General Prayuth to bring real order into Thailand and rid us of vices and crimes and introduce economic policies for the betterment of all Thais.There must be restrictions and there must be control. Everything is too loose in Thailand. We need a new grip now!

Stop that nonsense right now. If you want to be dishonest here at least get your facts straight. The coup d' etat in 2006 was as peaceful as walk in the park. Bloodless. You're pathetic, you really are.You don't even know basic facts about Thailand and their culture.

And the end of the 2006 coup, which is what I asked? How did that work out? Pretty bloodless was it?

ALL Thai coups are bloodless at beginning. The 2006 coup was actually popular, unlike this one. WAY more people not only supported it but came out in droves to show their support. Every one back to the early 1960s and even that one was really more comedy than blood. And all but one or two Thai coups end in bloodshed. Like the 2006 one, for example, set a record in bloodshed, the Thai army surpassing itself. I fear this military episode is going to be much shorter. I pray, literally, it will end with less blood. None would be great.

If you're in doubt... well, that was stupid, you're not in any doubt you are filled with righteousness. But you SHOULD not be. You should be doubting yourself, since someone with much more experience is telling you that you're wrong. You should doubt. And you should ask an actual Thai person how the 2006 coup ENDED, and you will be sooooo surprised!

Betcha won't. Bet you are so filled with your certainty you can't doubt. I didn't stay in Thailand so many years being as sure of myself as you. If you don't doubt, particularly yourself, you won't actually survive Thailand. Try a meditation class. Get some humility. You can't be right all the time, you simply can't.

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I live in Bangkok, I have to say I feel more safe with the military on the street then when the "red guards" or yellow equally where patrolling..... remind you its the reds who where shooting the grenades at sleeping people. I haven't seen any violence yet from the army. Probably that starts as soon as Thaksin sends his red paid fraction into BKK.

You say you live in Bangkok and you intimate (you do not say) that you don't know a single person who would, under any circumstances, oppose the army - that the only such people in all of Thailand must be paid, and none live in Bangkok but must come into Bangkok from somewhere..

Okay. Then you don't live in Bangkok. Flat statement. You may have a Bangkok address and you may have a bed located inside Bangkok somewhere, but you most certainly, definitely do not *live* in Bangkok. Either you made all of that up, or you simple exist in cloud cuckoo land totally divorced from everything and everyone around you.

If people protest against the government and get attacked, the red shirts did it. If people protest against the army and get killed, the red shirts STILL did it. You, sir, simply do not *live* in Bangkok, wherever you might actually exist. What you claim about yourself is impossible. There is no such place in Thailand as you claim to inhabit.

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Andrew MacGregor Marshall attributes the original letter to Sirilaksana Khoman, an NACC advisor, who is conflated with Thanat Khoman, a former Foreign Minister in "US backed military dictatorships of the 1950's and 1960's," who was also a former Chairman of the Democratic Party.

Ah, an explanation at last.

Dr Thanat (the old man) was a testy old man but a superbly intelligent one, who helped guide Thailand through the Vietnam war days, mostly for the Thanom dictatorship until the 1971 "coup against himself". Thanat Khoman was a nationalist, tetchy about it, but never anti-American. This lady of the letter is married to Thiravudh Woody Khoman, a son of Thanat. Old-timers might remember Woody ran Thailand's first BBS in the very early 1980s and was an outstanding geek and early technology writer for the Bangkok Post's Post Database section. His brother is a professional anti-American.

The Khoman family originated from Chinese-Malays. They have a huge family spread around the region, but still centered in Malaysia. Sirilaksana, formerly just Siri, is the daughter of (can't remember first name) Chutikul, another career foreign ministry guy, who was ambassador to several countries. Dr Thanat is by far the best know of them all, and a major achiever, to say the least.

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That's all we are allowed to do here.

We don't understand because we're not Thai, we don't love the army because we're not Thai.

Remember all of the coups that came before this and now think of how they improved the country.

My wife is off giving Lipton Ice Tea to the soldiers up the road, I have decided to keep my mouth shut for the rest of the coup as it only causes stress in our relationship.

Remember we're not Thai so we couldn't possibly understand.

It is the rights of the people to come out to against the rebels - who seized the people's power to favour the dem, pdrc, nacc, cc, ec, ac appointed senators, ombudsman. Chaos and hardships were premeditated and engineered by these groups and yet they carry on their insurrection activities with impunity.

Have you ever thought with all these groups against your side maybe it's the side you are supporting that's in the wrong?

Heh. I bet that is EXACTLY what these poor soldiers were thinking this afternoon. "Hey, they told us it was just a couple of malcontents". Hahaha. Welcome to the flash mob, General Failure. You are about to get a lot of lessons from a lot of groups. When will you recommence the killing?

News agency: Soldiers run from protesters

Troops fanned out Sunday in one of Bangkok's busiest shopping districts and blocked access to the city's Skytrain in an attempt to prevent a third day of anti-coup demonstrations. They were soon met by a crowd of about 1,000 people, who shouted, ``Get out, get out, get out!''

Tensions ran high, and at one point a group of soldiers was chased away by the crowds in the Ratchaprasong shopping district. By late afternoon, the protesters had moved to Victory Monument, a city landmark a few kilometers (miles) away, and their numbers had swelled past 2,000. Rows of soldiers were gathered, but troops did not move to break up the rally.

A speaker on a military truck said through loudspeakers, ``Brothers and sisters, please use your reasons and logics, not emotions.''

Well.... that could start the killing much earlier than usual for a Thai junta.

rayw said: "BTW I am British and used to love my country but I cannot say I do now as it is another corporate run USA puppet nation and sadly almost as corrupt as the USA too. "

Hmmmm. The conspiracists in the US claim Queen Lizzie is the puppeteer twanging the strings of worldwide financial institutes.

Oh my goodness how could anyone forget Lyndon Larouche, thank you so very much. And it is in the Executive Intelligence Briefing, so it must be true. Just one thing: She is Queen Betty and while she pretty much controls world finances, she's been spending a lot of time the past 20 years running the international drug cartels. Also these aren't "the conspiracists" but just a small branch. But then they would say that, wouldn't they?

Dear Lyndon and Betty. Lor luva duck!

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A Thai Visa Editor troll? You should do some homework instead of assuming its a Thai Visa rumour train. It actually came from an Australian paper. Actually for items coming outside of Thailand Thai Visa is a day or two behind the play.

Edited to add it was also in that other Thailand English paper yesterday.

Yes, a troll begun by a Thai Visa editor. I know EXACTLY where it came from including where "an Australian paper" picked it up Saturday night. This is a one-source story that has no backing, no legs. I have no idea why the ABC would use such a ridiculous story from such a well-known ... let's say "bad source". But to now, no other news media have touched this story because it IS a troll and worthless as news.

You are wrong about "the other newspaper." It has printed no such story/item. You may have seen it printed somewhere, which I doubt very very much, but you did not see it where you say you saw it, either yesterday or any day.

You may mean this story from "the" newspaper, not "the other" newspaper. It appeared very briefly before it was scrubbed from its website. It was never printed, but the internet never forgets. This story, too, comes from the single source of Amsterdam, and is simply a troll and rather a stupid one, too.

http://goo.gl/VVb88v

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Hey Wanda4, what's your address ? So I can send you a face towel.

Well, thank you, but I always keep Kleenex nearby, and in any case almost none of your spittle actually got on me.

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Posted 9 minutes ago

RT@Saksith: Thaksin tweeted again, saying ”as an elected PM,” he is ”saddened” by ”tragic events caused by another coup”: twitter.com/ThaksinLive/st…

RT@2Bangkok: @ThaksinLive Thaksin is tweeting again asking that at all parties be given rule of law and respect for human rights

I think I've said that about 15 times now. Thaksin has said NOTHING about a government in exile. Yingluck rather obviously won't be saying anything about it either. Only you know why you are sending the above in an excruciating thread in which ThaiVisa's Robert Amsterdam Followers And Fan Club insist that the Canadian guy only ever has the latest, dependable news.

Until Thaksin (or Yingluck or Yaowapa or Somchai) or Oak or even Noppadon or even Thaksin's daughters say something about a government in exile, this thread is nothing but a Thai Visa editor's troll, supported by Thai Visa Rumour Central and the Thai Visa Council Of Analytic Excellence, which has unanimously ruled that overnight Robert Amsterdam became the authoritative voice of Thailand.

I repeat also that I never say "never" but to this moment on Sunday afternoon, there has been no talk about a government in exile except in the minds of a Thai Visa editor and members, most of whom appear frankly to be going through some sort of withdrawal, possibly curfew-related?

(I didn't mean to cut off your first line there. I'm sure readers get the idea)

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Actually, with the open vote buying, they would not have been legitimate elections in any other country. Literally, the newspaper posts the going rate for votes.

You lose all credibility calling what Thailand has/had a democracy. It was a democracy in name only.

The reality is that it's one set of rich guys fighting against another set of rich guys but one of the groups of rich guys promises to steal the other rich guys' money and give it to the voters (after taking a good cut to enrich themselves in the transfer).

This is the reason why it's a power struggle. It has nothing to do with democracy. It's all about power. The power of the reds is to redistribute wealth to the poor and the power of the yellows is the ability to stage a coup whenever they feel threatened.

I'm not following your alleged connection. In what democracy is it NOT about the power? You think in ancient Athens it wasn't about the power, and hasn't been about the power every day of every year since then? I don't care what system a country runs under, of course it's about the power. That certainly includes democracy.

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