geovalin
-
Posts
15,833 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Events
Forums
Downloads
Quizzes
Gallery
Blogs
Posts posted by geovalin
-
-
January 2011, it's time to begin a new topic about colonoscopy.
I understand that in the beautiful private hospital, price is between 20 and 30,000 THB.
I have only "in patient" insurance so I have to pay myself as colonoscopy is OPD.
I trust the public hospitals even if the conditions are kinda rough BUT
What is the price in such establishment?
Are we allowed to go there (I have a one year visa)?
Any experience?
Thank you
-
Logger alleged killed by Thai border patrol
Sunday, 09 January 2011 20:58 Cheang Sokha
One Cambodian man was killed and another wounded after they were caught logging illegally across the border in Thailand, officials said Sunday, the latest in a spate of such shootings by Thai security forces.
Dy Phen, director of the border relations office in Banteay Meanchey province, said the pair were part of a group of seven loggers from Thma Puok district who came under fire from troops in Thailand’s Sa Kaeo province on Friday.
The group then bore the injured back to Cambodia without being apprehended or informing the Cambodian authorities, he added.
“The body was returned to the man’s family members on the same day as the shooting,” Dy Phen said. “They didn’t report to local authorities because they were afraid we would investigate their case and ask them who encouraged them to go to Thailand.”
Last month, Foreign Minister Hor Namhong met with his Thai counterpart Kasit Piromya, reportedly discussing the shootings of Cambodian loggers by Thai troops. Hor Namhong said following the meeting that Kasit had agreed that Thai authorities would be more lenient with trespassers.
On the same day as the talks, however, two Cambodians were killed by troops in Thailand’s Sisaket province. Cambodian officials claimed the loggers were attacked by the troops, though Thai Foreign Ministry deputy spokesman Thani Thongphakdi said the soldiers were acting in self-defence.
“They were fired upon by [the loggers’] guards, who were armed, so the patrol had fired back in defence,” Thani said at the time.
Following the incident, the government sent a diplomatic note to Thailand inquiring about the shooting.
“I will use serious words to emphasise that the shooting is a cruel act and is unbecoming of a civilised country,” Hor Namhong said at the time.
Chan Soveth, head of monitoring for local rights group Adhoc, said Sunday that his organisation had recorded 16 Cambodians killed by Thai soliders near the border in 2010, with 29 killed since tensions between the two countries broke out in 2008.
“They should use the law in these situations, not violence,” Chan Soveth said.
Thai officials could not be reached for comment Sunday.
This information + the Surin critics against the Thai nationalists craziness (Bangkok Post) would deserve to be new topics.
-
You are definitely much mistaken, very much like most of us.
After having watched the 20+ minutes long video, it does appear that
Panich categorically stated that they were searching for Land Marker #46
which pegged inside Thailand territory somewhere closeby....
Panich merely said that he was crossing into Camb occupied ground....
which several of us mistakenly thought that he was crossing into Camb territory....
If Panich et al were searching for Land Marker #46 and they were inside or closeby the
former Camb refugee camp, then the 7 were still on Thailand territory ....
There is a major difference here which I sincerely hope should clarify the issue for many who are still with open mind....
More importantly then, the 7 were really being kidnapped from Thailand territory by the Camb soldiers as it appeared on the full length video tape which differs significantly from the short abbreviated and doctored 1 minute version on youtube.
But several Thai ministers from various ministries including, defense, foreign affairs and security.... all condemning the 7 as having crossing over and encroaching on Camb territory which in actuality the Cambodian refugee themselves were sitting on Thailand territory by the graceful provision of Thailand when she was approached and begged by the international communities and international redcross to show mercy on the fleeing Cambodians around 1980.
Sincerely hope, it is clearer now regarding whose territory it really belongs to regarding Land Marker #46 and the patch of land where Camb camp situates. Thx everyone for being more than patient.
Response to Q1:
Furthermore, on the full length video posted on Thaivisa, Panich was on his phone asking "Kiew (?) to relay to SomKiat, the PM secretary, that he (Panich) was now crossing over into Cambodian occupied territory. Positively, Panich knew exactly where he was which was inside the Cambodian occupied land which differs significantly from Cambodian territory.
Response to Q2:
Panich was searching for Land Marker #46 which appeared to be his major mission. The Land Marker #46 lies within Thai territory somewhere closeby the Camb refugee camp ground which even the ministers of defense, foreign affairs and security have all but forgotten that the Camb refugee came to Thailand around 1980 and settled upon that piece of land which then and now still belongs to Thailand, even though these ministries were trying to give it away to Husan and other Camb.... in exchange for whatever....
Response to Q3:
Yes, most definitely. Panich was fully cognizant that the land they crossed over is presently occupied by the Cambodians and that it is Cambodians occupied soil.
But the fact of the matter is, even though it is a piece of, among several other patches, Cambodians soil;
but that and several other pieces, even though they are referred to as Cambodian soils but this piece of
Cambodian soil, among several other pieces of Cambodian occupied soil dotted along Thailand territory,
are not Cambodian territory by any stretch of imagination, all these pieces of Cambodian occupied soil or territory as I sometimes referred to, are Thailand properties as the international communities and international red cross society would vouch for that.
Response to last question:
Panich stated in the video that the PM Apisit was aware of this fact finding mission but other PM deputies were totally in the dark at the time.
Cheers and good night, everyone.
Except that Panich was filmed making a phone call saying that he was on Cambodian territory and wanted the Prime Minister's personal secretary to know that. Which kind ofa: refutes that he didn't know where he was
b: that he wandered onto the land by mistake, crossing over barbed wire to do so
c: that in his mind, it was Cambodian soil
Why was he making the call, though? Was he following orders from Bangkok, or was he just trying to drag the PM into the story??
I'm so tired to read such post and Cambodians are so lenient with crazy Thais who wants to provoke...
Fortunately Khmer are more quiet than Thai hysterical nationalists.
I understand that Thai Nationalists want a war (they told it frankly), probably because it's fun but PLEASE play these dirty games in your territory. Do not involve Cambodians, they already enjoyed that in the 70's and 80's. Let them quiet in their country for the time being.
If the yellows want a war, why not a good ol' civil war with the reds?
-
Just when the Dems were looking fairly good for a election victory this happens,the PT should have a field day, and if Abhisit really was in the know then he really wants slapping down by the puppet masters(though probably that's where the orders came from).
Yet another Thai international debacle.
With such Thai PM (Prime Minister and Puppets Master)in Thailand, Hun Sen will win the Nobel Peace Prize.
How could Abisith attend the next ASEAN summit?
Regarding the PT, they indeed miss a leader. The Dem's have at least a leader even if it's...
-
Now, let's see how Hun Sen will react. He's probably furious: one more time, he thought he could built a good relation thanks to the new trust he has in Abisith and one more time Abisith betrayed him.
We can discuss and discuss again about what happens in Abisith's mind. It's something he has to solve with himself.
Back to Hun Sen: Of course he has wonderful cards in hands and he looks serene but he still can lose the game if he loses his temper.
He should wait! Right now Thais are sinking in their miserable ploys but if he answers angrily to the provocation, he'll be the "bad guy" again. Well, it's very difficult to remain calm in front of such crude scheme but he has to. If not, it's the war which PAD wishes.
The recent news: "Royal Thai Survey Dept to Determine if 7 Thais Encroached Cambodian Soil" could be seen as worrying...
-
Activists urged to avoid further conflict, not rally at Cambodian border
BANGKOK, Jan 3 – Both the Foreign Ministry and the Army Region 1 commander on Monday urged the yellow-clad activists of the Thailand Patriot Network not to rally tomorrow at the border, saying the move could sabotage talks between Thai and Cambodian authorities over the release of seven detained Thai nationals.
!!! Sabotage of the honeymoon between the 2 countries, it's exactly what the "Patriots" wish.
They expect a martyr, a guy who will provoke the Cambodian soldiers so much that he'll be shot.
-
Abhisit must surely despair at the assortment of idiots that he's obliged to work with.
Yep - that kinda says it all. And whose story do you believe? Foreign Ministry says they were in Cambodia, the Thais (of course) claim they were in Thailand and the comment about stirring up 'nationalism' is real. Thai's love that stuff! Thai rak Thai. But if they were in Thailand then why didn't Thai troops resist the Cambodian soldiers arresting? Muddied waters continue with this political football.
It is one thing to be obliged to work with idiots but, according to an AFP report, "Abhisit said he had tasked Panich with seeking information about the border issue."
Granted he didn't tell him to get together with a bunch of ultra-nationalist nutters and go and invade Cambodia but there is a limited amount of involvement here.
Bangkok Pundit writes:
Initially, when BP thought they were arrested on disputed territory – seriously how could Panich state they were on Thai soil and be so wrong – it seemed that Hun Sen was up to his old tricks of antagonizing the Abhisit government. Yes, Hun Sen couldn’t force the 7 to the border, but if they were in a disputed area then the Cambodians could hardly arrest the 7 Thais, but now it has been confirmed they were 1 kilometre on the Cambodian solider so many questions arise. Was Abhisit aware when he made his statements demanding Cambodia release the Thais that they were actually in Cambodian territory? Why did he send Panich on this fact-finding mission? Why then did Panich take the PAD activists with him? Why didn’t they alert and coordinate their visit with the Thai military?
Let's try to guess:
To befriend with PAD, Abisith sent or agreed with Panich's action. He hoped it would be unnoticed by Cambodian authorities. Too bad! The boomerang came back. Abisith lost twice:
He lost his old friends from the PAD.
He lost his new friend Hun Sen.
-
Officials say 16-year-old burned alive
Monday, 14 September 2009 15:02 Thet Sambath
Soldiers kill boy caught logging in Thailand, district governor says.
Oddar Meanchey officials Sunday accused Thai soldiers of shooting a Cambodian teenager and burning him alive.
Yon Rith, 16, was killed after Thai armed forces accused him of illegally felling trees, said Thon Nol, governor of Samrong district in Oddar Meanchey province.
Thon Nol said Yon Rith was first arrested and then burned. Another teenager from the same village in Kon Kreal commune, 18-year-old Mao Kleung, was also shot and seriously wounded, he said, but villagers managed to carry him to Cambodian territory, and he is is now in an Oddar Meanchey hospital.
Officials on Sunday denounced the violence as "cruel" acts carried out on unarmed villagers.
"Why did they burn a person alive? [The armed forces] should have arrested them if they did anything wrong in Thailand," said Pich Ratana, a Cabinet official in Oddar Meanchey.
"Our armed forces did not shoot Thai citizens when they were hunting animals in the Cambodian forest. They just arrested them and sent them back, but Thai soldiers do cruel things to innocent Cambodians," Pich Ratana said.
Thon Nol said officials would discuss the incident today.
"We are looking for all measures to assist the victims as well as actions on the Thai authority," Thon Nol said.
Thai Embassy officials could not be reached for comment Sunday.
Nanh Sovann, a Cambodian military officer who has worked with the Thai military, said Sunday he had heard of the incident but was waiting to see an official report before intervening.
The victim's family recovered his charred body and took it to their village for a funeral the day he was shot, Thon Nol said.
Thai officials have previously taken a heavy hand against Cambodians accused of illegal logging on Thai territory, particularly along the Oddar Meanchey border.
In August, 12 Cambodians were arrested along the border on suspicion of illegally logging.
Their disappearance initially prompted fears they had been killed, but the Thais have since revealed the men are in detention.
Two other men, however, were discovered dead last month. The Thai military said soldiers fired on the group in self-defence.
-
Very impressive article on the topic:
http://asiancorrespo...ngkok+Pundit%29
The real problem is not these seven morons.
It's that:
The two men who were killed were part of a group of eight who crossed into Thailand; another group of 13 loggers crossed the border the same day, four of whom were arrested by Thai authorities and later released, Touch Ra added.
On Monday, Hor Namhong met with Thai Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya. Among other things, they discussed the shootings of Cambodian loggers by Thai border guards, and Hor Namhong said Kasit had agreed to press Thai authorities to be more lenient with Cambodian trespassers.
If the only result of Hun Sen's angriness is to make the world aware of the killing of Cambodian civilians by Thai army, it's a success.
Is this a fact?
There was no mentioning of any death until you point it out.
If there were any shooting, I am sure Thai press would have reported it already.
Hence I reserved my right to believe you, yet.
Phnom Penh Post is a VERY reliable newspaper.
It happens often. I have plenty of examples in my records like this 16 years old teen burnt alive by Thai soldiers in 2009.
You look to believe Thai press...
:-)
State to probe Thailand over border shootings
Monday, 27 December 2010 19:01 Cheang Sokha and James O’Toole
E-mail Print PDF
Foreign minister Hor Namhong has announced plans to send a diplomatic note to Thailand inquiring about the shooting of two Cambodian loggers by Thai troops last week.
The men, aged 17 and 37, were shot last week in Thailand’s Sisaket province after crossing the border from Oddar Meanchey province’s Trapaing Prasat district. The incident marks the sixth shooting this year in which Cambodian loggers have been killed by Thai security forces, according to local rights group Adhoc.
“Today, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will send a diplomatic note to Thailand about the violent shootings of loggers crossing into Thailand,” Hor Namhong said yesterday.
“I will use serious words to emphasise that the shooting is a cruel act and is unbecoming of a civilised country.”
Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs Deputy Spokesman Thani Thongphakdi said, however, that the shooting last week had in fact been initiated by the Cambodian loggers.
“It was a routine patrol, and [Thai forces] came across some people illegally ... logging, and as they approached them to stop them, they were fired upon by their guards, who were armed, so the patrol had fired back in defence,” Thani said yesterday.
Koy Kuong, spokesman for the Cambodian Foreign Ministry, dismissed this claim as a “pretext” and an “excuse” that Thailand has used repeatedly following such shootings.
Last week, Hor Namhong met with Thai Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya. The two reportedly discussed the shootings of Cambodian loggers, and Hor Namhong said Kasit had agreed that Thai authorities would be more lenient with trespassers.
Thani said the two had agreed to differentiate between subsistence farmers and hunters and those who are caught logging illegally or trafficking in human beings. While those in the former group will not be prosecuted for crossing the border illegally, Cambodia and Thailand will cooperate to combat the latter, Thani said.
-
Very impressive article on the topic:
The real problem is not these seven morons.
It's that:
The two men who were killed were part of a group of eight who crossed into Thailand; another group of 13 loggers crossed the border the same day, four of whom were arrested by Thai authorities and later released, Touch Ra added.
On Monday, Hor Namhong met with Thai Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya. Among other things, they discussed the shootings of Cambodian loggers by Thai border guards, and Hor Namhong said Kasit had agreed to press Thai authorities to be more lenient with Cambodian trespassers.
If the only result of Hun Sen's angriness is to make the world aware of the killing of Cambodian civilians by Thai army, it's a success.
-
The problem is that Yellow shirts burnt pictures of Hun Sen yesterday and commit to continue. They want the feud escalate.
-
]
Wissarut told reporters that the girl's mother told him about possibly "sending her back to the US afterwards". He said the mother felt sorry for the family's "late response", especially after five days.
This family are probably full of good persons but what a poor communication!!!! Every time they want to show their compassion and to prove they are "normal people", they get out of hands. "When some one from our family has a problem, he travels to the US to calm down."
I suggest the hurt persons in the accident go to Paris or London to amuse themselves and change their mood.
-
In the today article of the Phnom Penh Post about this issue:
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010123045791/National-news/thai-mp-faces-charges.html
In Preah Vihear province, two Cambodian villagers were arrested yesterday along the border by Thai soldiers, said Dy Phen, director of the border relations office in Banteay Meanchey.
“I have sent my forces to negotiate with the Thai side and have those two villagers released, because they were just scavenging in the forest and did not know where the border line was,” he said.
Every day, Cambodians are caught by Thai soldiers in the gray area and are sent to jail in Thailand. This is the normal process. Why should it be different when the trespassers are Thai (of course the jails will be Cambodian in this case)?
How long are they kept in Thai jails before being returned to Cambodia?
It's interesting that in both articles concerning the Cambodians crossing into Thailand and the Thais crossing into Cambodia, the exact same thing was said:
Cambodians: did not know where the border line was
Thais: the group did not intend to cross into Cambodian territory but did not know exactly where the boundary line was
To reply to your first question:
Here is an article (one amongst dozens of similar stories), it's in French but I made a translation by Google. Not sure it's correct.
Arrêtés pour avoir passé illégalement la frontière, des villageois ont vu leur peine allégée par la cour d’appel.
La cour d’appel thaïlandaise s’est montrée clémente lundi 2 août en reconnaissant des circonstances atténuantes à seize Cambodgiens qui avaient passé clandestinement la frontière et coupé du bois sur le territoire du royaume voisin.
Quinze d’entre eux avaient été condamnés en première instance à neuf ans et trois mois de prison et un jeune homme de 18 ans avait écopé de six ans et deux mois de prison.
La Cour d’appel a décidé de réduire ces peines à respectivement six ans et deux mois et trois ans et deux mois d’emprisonnement, faute de preuves suffisantes.
Les villageois, originaires de Preah Vihear et d’Oddar Meanchey, avaient été arrêtés le 23 juillet 2009 par la police thaïlandaise.
Les diplomates et les représentants de la société civile qui sont intervenus dans cette affaire ont applaudi le verdict de la Cour d’appel, même s’ils estiment qu’il reste lourd pour des villageois qui cherchaient simplement à se nourrir.
Arrested for having illegally crossed the border, villagers have had their sentences lightened by the appellate court. The appellate court in Thailand has shown mild Monday, August 2 recognizing mitigating circumstances to sixteen Cambodians who had secretly crossed the border and cut wood in the territory of the kingdom neighbor.15 of them had been convicted at trial in nine years and three months in prison and a young man of 18 was sentenced to six years and two months prison.The Court Appeal decided to reduce these sentences respectively six years and two months and three years and two months in jail for lack of evidence sufficient.The villagers from Preah Vihear and Oddar Meanchey, were arrested July 23 2009 by the police Thai.The diplomats and representatives of civil society that have occurred in this case have applauded the verdict of the Court of Appeal, even if they feel there is much for the villagers who were merely trying to feed.
As Cambodian courts are more understanding than Thai ones, Veera would not stay 6 years in Cambodian jails.
To reply to your 2nd question.
You and me and all the Thais and all the Cambodians know that Veera knew exactly where he was (1200 m inside Cambodia as Kasit told), Thai police cars was after him because he was trespassing and he knew what he was doing, he hoped to be caught to make the new friendship between Th and Cam collapse.
The Hun Sen's mistake is to play Veera's game.
Since 5 years Cambodia is hostage of the yellow shirts (as Thailand as well).
-
In the today article of the Phnom Penh Post about this issue:
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/2010123045791/National-news/thai-mp-faces-charges.html
In Preah Vihear province, two Cambodian villagers were arrested yesterday along the border by Thai soldiers, said Dy Phen, director of the border relations office in Banteay Meanchey.
“I have sent my forces to negotiate with the Thai side and have those two villagers released, because they were just scavenging in the forest and did not know where the border line was,” he said.
Every day, Cambodians are caught by Thai soldiers in the gray area and are sent to jail in Thailand. This is the normal process. Why should it be different when the trespassers are Thai (of course the jails will be Cambodian in this case)?
-
Comment # 1
These Thai guys are lucky. If they were Cambodians caught by Thai army, they would had been shot in the back without any warning.
Comment # 2
We read since a few weeks that the Thai Ultra Nationalists are in the area to create incidents. Previously, Thai army was monitoring them to avoid that. Why, yesterday, did the Thai army allowed them to act?
Comment # 3
The Cambodian soldiers should be more clever than the Thai ones and not shoot or capture the trespassers. Just push back with a simple kick in the ass.
Comment # 1 - Really? Do you have any evidence to support this assertion? It seems a little extreme. I thought the Cambodian-Thai border was quite porous in places with locals going back and forth on a daily basis.
Comment # 3 - Why would that be more clever?
#1
17 March 2010
TWO Cambodian nationals are feared to have been shot and killed by Thai soldiers in separate incidents in Banteay Meanchey province’s Thma Puok district along the border with Thailand, officials said on Monday.
One man was shot dead by Thai soldiers in Banteay Meanchey province’s Thma Puok district on Saturday after straying into Thai territory to cut down trees, provincial governor Oung Ouen said.
Semptember 2009
Oddar Meanchey officials Sunday accused Thai soldiers of shooting a Cambodian teenager and burning him alive.
Yon Rith, 16, was killed after Thai armed forces accused him of illegally felling trees, said Thon Nol, governor of Samrong district in Oddar Meanchey province.
Thon Nol said Yon Rith was first arrested and then burned. Another teenager from the same village in Kon Kreal commune, 18-year-old Mao Kleung, was also shot and seriously wounded, he said, but villagers managed to carry him to Cambodian territory, and he is is now in an Oddar Meanchey hospital.
#3
I feel that a simple bawling out is wiser than to kill people or to put them in jail with the risk of escalation.
-
PM said bilateral relations unaffected.? Really?
Yes, relations unaffected, really, if Thai PM remains wise and understands that he could be manipulated by crazy Thai nationalists.
All of us know that they acted intentionally to be captured, to create an incident which could degenerate.
-
Comment # 1
These Thai guys are lucky. If they were Cambodians caught by Thai army, they would had been shot in the back without any warning.
Comment # 2
We read since a few weeks that the Thai Ultra Nationalists are in the area to create incidents. Previously, Thai army was monitoring them to avoid that. Why, yesterday, did the Thai army allowed them to act?
Comment # 3
The Cambodian soldiers should be more clever than the Thai ones and not shoot or capture the trespassers. Just push back with a simple kick in the ass.
-
I'm foreigner and I never pushed for ban on elephants in Bangkok. These animals do not bother me, I like the "good ol' time" feeling and I don't mind about their diet (do these wise foreigners mind about the diet of the Thai people?) and FIRST OF ALL Bangkok is a Thai city: this is the responsibility of the Thai people not western environmentally correct persons.
-
My wife's daughter will enter in Matayon 1 next year. She studies legally in Thailand since ever. She's Cambodian national.
I'm told that, to be admitted in Matayon, she needs to be on a tambien ban (in P 1-6 it's not compulsory, a simple E visa is enough).
None of us are on any tambien ban, we just rent an house.
Is it true that she needs to be on a tambien ban?
How could she be on a tambien ban? We have a lot of Thai friends, could she be added on their tambien ban?
-
I suggest
*** Jomtien Garden Hotel (rooms or family suites)
http://www.jomtiengarden.com/web/
**** Furama (family suites are HUGE)
http://www.furama.com/jomtienbeach/
Always a lot of families and kids in both of them.
-
I was wondering if some IPTV are still working or not.
In the past there was TRUE, TT&T, Maxnet, Buddy which supplied TV channels by Internet.
I don't see these offers still available. Am I wrong?
What are the current offers?
TRUE Internet used to send me proposals to watch English Premiership or even Disney channel, possibly through a set top box. Nothing since a while.
Any input is welcome.
If not posted in the good forum, please move.
-
Do you know a specially good THAI restaurant on Rama 9 (let's say between airport and downtown)?
It needs to be of an easy access by car, typically Thai but not the usual "Tom Yam, Chicken cashew nuts, Papaya Pok Pok" trip, outside with nice garden, reasonable prices (let's say 20-50% more than average greasy spoons), music is OK if not over loud.
-
I don't know but would think this has to be a positive step - no matter how small.
Agreed.
Now if the YELLOW shirts don't start trouble it might be a big step.
-
Every time I mention war between Thailand and Cambodia, some of the Thai Visa readers castigate me. Unfortunately, reading this article I feel, one more time, that the alternative to a coup is a war. The advantage is that a war would reunify the Thai population.
It's very easy for PAD and army to provoke / create the conditions and they'll do it if it prevents the advent of the democracy (which had never been really installed in Thailand).
Please remember, PAD and army mastermind the Thai life.
Colonoscopy. Are We Allowed To Make It In A Public Hospital?
in Health and Medicine
Posted
Maybe there is a misunderstanding.
"Make" was not the correct word, sorry, I meant "undergo". I'm not a doctor who wants to practice an operation.
Or maybe you mean that to be patient in a public hospital we need a work permit?