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  1. I shall make a few points.

    Assad was a democratically elected prime minister of Syria.

    I have read at least one person state that the majority of people didn't vote for him and so it was not democratic.

    Then you can argue that 80% of the elected prime ministers are not democratically elected. Take the UK with Cameron as prime minister whom's party only got 36% of the vote.

    The USA basically only has a choice of two parties (virtually the same) so clearly there is a majority.

    I would suggest you ask any Syrian whether they were better off with asad running the country than how it became after the protests.

    How the Syrian problem came about

    Basically Qatar and Saudi wanted to build an oil/gas pipeline to West Europe through Syria and Turkey.

    USA corporations would have got the contract.

    Russia would have lost exports of oil and gas to western Europe.

    Asad was asked by Saudi, Qatar and US to let them build a pipe line through Syria. Asked by Saudi, then USA government. Asad said NO !

    It was decided that Asad had to go as he was not co-operating, much like Egypt, Iraq and Libyan leaders.

    So the CIA trained up, armed and gave Saudi cash to some people to act as rebels / protesters against Syria.

    They started to protest but unfortunately Asad fought back (probably with Russian help) and they were unable to bring down Asad.

    These rebels gave up fighting Asad, but with CIA supplied equipment and Saudi money decided to call themselves ISIL and go and in effect loot Iraq. The result was that they took control of some oil fields and sold the oil and had even more money to continue.

    USA had left things continue because it was a satisfactory position for USA

    1) Syria was in economic crisis (like they did to Egypt, Iraq and Libya)

    2) USA thought the price of oil would go up meaning fracking in the USA would be competitive (break even price for oil production is a barrel of oil being US$75)

    3) liked the idea of Syrians fleeing to the EC creating economic and political problems in the EC.

    Russian Involvement

    Putin has basically, as usual, played a nice strategic game.

    Putin wants the price of oil and gas to go up as it is important for the economy of Russia.

    Putin has now told the world that he is sorting out ISIL because the USA clearly cannot. The fact is that the USA doesn't want the crisis to end (read reasons given above) and this is clear from:

    1) how quickly ISIL are running from Syria within one week of Russia getting involved and yet USA could not get rid of ISIL in more than three years.

    2) USA and the west are not helping Russia.

    I would think that Putin's plan is to push ISIL into Iraq. Iraq then ask Russia and Iran help them to get rid of ISIL. Russia and Iran will then push ISIL into Saudi Arabia.

    ISIL may well then wipe out the Saudi king and family and Saudi will be in a mess and the rebels will control the Saudi oil.

    This is a win win situation for Russia as the price of oil will go up.

    I would think that the USA might be considering starting WW3 as this would hide the embarrassment of losing the Middle East situation and would also be a good cover up for the economic crisis / financial turmoil that may well hit the USA economy in the coming months.

    Yes, absolutely correct.

    What a brilliant post indeed!

    But nobody except the USA wants World War III.

    What is the solution to this problem?

    How to avoid World War III?

  2. President Putin has continues to call for cooperation with the US, Turkey and Arab States on Syria, however, Washington has refused to cooperate calling Moscow’s strategy ‘tragically flawed’.

    Don't you think that this is a lame excuse?

    I don't know if it's lame or not or even an excuse at all, but it is clear that Assad has fallen foul of the USA, and the latter want to remove him from power.

    To achieve this, the USA back non-IS but still islamist rebel militias. Sounds familiar to me with what happened in Afghanistan.

    If Assad is driven out, who will replace him?

    Does anyone really hold his breath over who will win subsequent "democratic polls" ?

    Sorry USA, but I think Assad is a factor of stability in the region and Russia has the better strategy.

    Yes, absolutely.

    This is a very good point. Agreed 100%.

  3. Russia , Syria , Iraq and Iran formed a coalition, hence the disapprovement fom US.

    US basically does not know what to do and is "worried " to make a wrong move.

    Russia has also mobilised 150 000 troops which are moving in.

    If US cooperates it means US will have to lift all sanctions from Russia in few months if US does not it risks an all out war.

    Putin once again outplayed Obama, for Russia it is win- win situation because either sanctions get lifted or oil prices go up.

    Loss of life is no concern to Putin, as Russia does not play by western moral rules.

    I don't think the US, nor the other coalition partners, will cooperate with Russia. Your last statement is the scary part. And 100% true. Putin does what he wants and doesn't care about the humanitarian issues. Sadly. Probably not a great trait for a world leader????

    Yes, we can see how America cares about humanitarian issues with the recent bombing of the hospital in Afghanistan!

  4. Russia , Syria , Iraq and Iran formed a coalition, hence the disapprovement fom US.

    US basically does not know what to do and is "worried " to make a wrong move.

    Russia has also mobilised 150 000 troops which are moving in.

    If US cooperates it means US will have to lift all sanctions from Russia in few months if US does not it risks an all out war.

    Putin once again outplayed Obama, for Russia it is win- win situation because either sanctions get lifted or oil prices go up.

    Loss of life is no concern to Putin, as Russia does not play by western moral rules.

    Yes, absolutely brilliant post!

  5. Too bad US opinion means less than zero in this situation, no matter how they try to spin it in the media... Russia was invited by Assad to defend Syria from US sponsored terrorists, both "moderate" rebels and ISIS... Of course the US is going to disagree with Moscow's tact in taking out their flunkies... This is a lose-lose situation for the US...

    Russia was invited by Assad, who may or may not be the legal leader of that country. It's being debated right now, and some really good arguments are being made he is not the legal leader.

    This is a lose-lose situation for Russia. I'm afraid Russia may see more terrorist bombings in Moscow. They've already had quite a few, unfortunately.

    https://www.rt.com/politics/317181-russia-taking-measures-against-potential/

    Russian special services are working tirelessly to prevent potential terrorist attacks by extremists in retaliation to Moscow’s operation in Syria, Dmitry Peskov, presidential press secretary, has said.

    who is the legal leader of Syria? what are the criteria used to determine the legality of a regime, and what is the controlling agency that determines the legality of a government.

    The criteria is the International Law developed by the United Nations.

  6. The Independent

    Russian air strikes have reportedly damaged three medical facilities in Syria, following an “inexcusable” attack.

    If it is proven that the airstrikes hit hospitals, Russia could face war crime charges.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-conflict-russian-airstrikes-hit-three-medical-facilities-a6685476.html

    This is a fabricated lie. There is no proof of this fact.

  7. There is a different opinion on who actually used the chemical weapons in Syria and why...

    http://news.yahoo.com/syrias-assad-says-open-dialogue-united-states-101849298.html#

    That was a planned provocation to blame it on Assad.

    And please let his fellow citizens, the Syrian people themselves, to decide if they want to convict him of crimes or not.

    Don't forget that Syria is an independent state with legitimately elected government headed by Assad.

    Who has appointed America to be the World's Policeman?

    The answer: it is self-appointed!

    That is entirely possible! As for the Syrian people, they've already decided they don't want him. Thus, the reason for the civil war. If this was Japan, he would have stepped down a long time ago...but then again, he would have been democratically elected and not a dictator.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/bashar-al-assad-re-elected-syrian-president-20146419457810751.html

    Voting was held only in government-controlled areas, excluding vast chunks of northern and eastern Syria that are in rebel hands.

    Anyway the majority of the Syrian population has elected Assad, it means he is a legitimately elected president.

    The so called Syrian Opposition constitutes a minority of population.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.

  8. You are wrong.

    This is in fact America and Europe who don't want to cooperate.

    They have rejected Russia's proposal on cooperation.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/16/us-syria-crisis-kerry-idUSKCN0RG2CJ20150916

    http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/10/07/carter-us-not-cooperating-with-russia-against-islamic-state

    And you blame it on Russia?

    And they are not planning this with all the other nations involved. Just going lone wolf. Creates an environment where a small mistake can have catastrophic consequences.

    And why do you call Assad a "brutal dictator"?

    Because he is reluctant to obey orders from Washington?

    I'm not wrong. The coalition wants to cooperate with Russia, but the problem is Assad. The coalition wants him gone, Russia (for obvious reasons) doesn't. Very simple. It's a problem on both sides. Don't just blame the coalition for this. Russia has a responsibility also.

    Have you done any research on Assad? Please do some and then report back if you think he's not a brutal dictator. He a bad one and should be convicted of crimes against humanity for what he's done to his fellow citizens. Including use of chemical weapons, tacitly approved by Russia...as they were backing him at the time this occurred.

    There is a different opinion on who actually used the chemical weapons in Syria and why...

    http://news.yahoo.com/syrias-assad-says-open-dialogue-united-states-101849298.html#

    That was a planned provocation to blame it on Assad.

    And please let his fellow citizens, the Syrian people themselves, to decide if they want to convict him of crimes or not.

    Don't forget that Syria is an independent state with legitimately elected government headed by Assad.

    Who has appointed America to be the World's Policeman?

    The answer: it is self-appointed!

  9. Right or wrong, moral or immoral, legal or illegal, politically correct (not PC in European terms) or as a political suicide - Putin is behind Assad.

    On one hand it is soothing to see allies not flushing each other at the first request. A two finger response to UN, NATO and US is a pleasant sight just for a change.

    Methinks - who are US, NATO, Turkey et al to warn Russia? Assad invited them. He invited NATO too - but they declined to co-operate (first). Than they decided to bomb their choice of warriors.

    US, France and Co have 'bombed' ISIS for a long time. Net result - nothing, zelch, nada, zero. Russians start bombing and what? Americans warn them to stop! NATO warns them to stop! ISIS is said to be running for cover.

    Apparently (without being an expert) - they bomb well! Some people here will say they are bombing the wrong terrorists. To me any terrorist is good when dead. Obviously not to Americans.

    Toppling Assad has failed. Turning Syria into another Iraq, Libya or Afghanistan failed. Putin-Assad alliance will prevail. Naturally US and NATO are not happy. Well, they missed again.

    And if Assad will manage to side with his Kurds by promising them autonomy - tough luck for Erdogan in two ways - as a NATO boy and as a great friend of his Kurds.

    NOTE! I am not a fan of Putin. And I do not need Assad. But occasionally I like to see stupid people look stupid. biggrin.png

    ............................

    Personally, I have no problems with Russia bombing terrorists. Unfortunately, their collateral damage right now is atrocious. And they are not planning this with all the other nations involved. Just going lone wolf. Creates an environment where a small mistake can have catastrophic consequences.

    But Putin can't join in with the dozens of other nations already involved as he wants the brutal dictator Assad to survive. The others don't. Again, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    You are wrong.

    This is in fact America and Europe who don't want to cooperate.

    They have rejected Russia's proposal on cooperation.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/16/us-syria-crisis-kerry-idUSKCN0RG2CJ20150916

    http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/10/07/carter-us-not-cooperating-with-russia-against-islamic-state

    And you blame it on Russia?

    And they are not planning this with all the other nations involved. Just going lone wolf. Creates an environment where a small mistake can have catastrophic consequences.

    And why do you call Assad a "brutal dictator"?

    Because he is reluctant to obey orders from Washington?

  10. An accident ... cheesy.gifcheesy.gifcheesy.gifcheesy.gif Get real. Some of the world's most advanced aircraft, in controlled airspace, with elite pilots (AND controllers) who don't spit without written clearance, and somebody seriously thinks anybody's gonna' buy, "it was unintentional"? Twice!?? Even a six-year old with a pocket GPS can tell which side of the line he's on in this day & age.

    Turkey scrambled interceptors and the Russian ambassador was summoned in the capital, and Turkey "seems to be satisfied"!!??? Muaaaaahahahahahahahahaha cheesy.gifcheesy.gifcheesy.gif .

    What's the next stage of dementia after "delusional", anyway?

    Well, I'm not a pilot myself but anyway I understand that the landing approach course depends on the wind direction.

    The Russian plane was preparing for landing at the Syrian Military Base close to the Syrian Turkish border when suddenly the wind direction has changed so the pilot was forced to change the course slightly which resulted in the plane penetrating the Turkish air space.

    NATO is just blowing things out of proportion.

    Мuch ado about nothing!

    By the way in that area the Turkish Syrian border was moved 10 kilometers to the South unilaterally by Turkey without properly obtaining an approval from the Syrian Authorities.

    So it is not clear where in fact the Turkish airspace is starting.

    http://www.infowars.com/turkey-scorched-earth-policy-on-syrian-border-to-establish-fsa-protected-corridor/

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/10/western-propagandists-attempt-to.html

    According to DEBKAfile, “the White House did not rule out a limited Turkish border operation for forcing Syrian troops to go on the run and giving the Syrian rebels greater freedom of movement to cross back and forth for arms supplies and medical treatment.”

    By the saturation bombardment of the 10-kilometer strip inside Syria, Turkey plans to drive the Syrian military presence out and enable the two rebel brigades to move in and start establishing a 50-kilometer long protected corridor from Aleppo up to the Killis region of southern Turkey.

    If accurate, this would represent a major escalation of the war against Syria and signify the willingness of the United States and its proxies to overtly violate Syrian national sovereignty, something it has until recently been unwilling to do.

    On the other hand, the event may be used to argue for the establishment of a no-fly zone in Syria. Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan asked the United States to impose an immediate no fly zone over areas of Syria in the aftermath of a mortar attack. In addition, Qatar has called on world powers to prepare a “Plan B” for Syria within weeks and set up a no-fly zone to provide a safe haven inside the country, according to Reuters.

  11. The Russians are still evaluating the worlds response to their intervention into Syria...flying into Turkish airspace is no accident...it is part of a plan to intimidate potential adversaries...and measure the local and international response...

    Well they are there in Syria legally.

    Yes, absolutely correct.

    On the other hand the American and NATO forces have penetrated into Syria illegally in violation of International Law.

    Everyone knows that.

    There was never an approval from the legitimate Syrian government for the NATO troops to invade into Syria.

    Anyway they are reluctant to fight the real enemy, they are just supporting the terrorists in Syria.

  12. NATO is just blowing things out of proportion.

    Мuch ado about nothing!

    The Russian ministry of defence admitted a plane had entered Turkish airspace as result of poor weather and had taken the necessary steps to ensure it would not happen again.

    While Turkey seems to be satisfied with Russia’s explanation of its accidental violation of Turkish airspace on Saturday, the U.S. seems to be unwilling to drop the issue

  13. A post violating the fair use regulation has been removed from view. Please provide a clear link to the article and no more than 3 paragraphs from the source.

    http://www.talkradionews.com/world-news/2015/10/05/russia-invades-turkish-airspace-nato-denounces-actions.html

    While Turkey seems to be satisfied with Russia’s explanation of its accidental violation of Turkish airspace on Saturday, the U.S. seems to be unwilling to drop the issue

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151005/1028056133/us-russia-turkey-air-space.html

    Renato Denis ·

    Sorry, as far as I remember the US Air Force never had any authorization from the Syrian government to conduct flights and much less bombings on its soil. So now we have the US whining about Russia's violation of Turkish airspace while systematically violating Syrian airspace for at least a year. Oh, the irony.
  14. It happened also in Europe:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/mistaken-identity-french-plane-entered-swedish-air-space-not-russian-as-reported/5414801

    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/u-s-spy-plane-reportedly-violated-swedish-air-space-to-escape-russian-fighters-424d05e11bd5

    It happens from time to time due to bad weather and navigational errors.

    This is not intentional.

    Reports of Russian incursions into national airspace regularly appear in the media, but they are often not officially confirmed or are disproved later.

    Even Washington – which doesn’t typically hesitate to accuse Russia of wrongdoing with little to no evidence – says Moscow complies with international law when flying close to American borders. The US can only say that it doesn’t see “the security environment as warranting international activity,” in the words of State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki.

  15. Barin, if we dig a little bit more:

    Many western media outlets have frequently been relying on one information source for facts about the death toll in Syria - The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. It was founded in May 2006 and It's run by one man only - Rami Abdul Rahman, who's a Syrian immigrant to the UK and is based in his two bedroom home in Coventry. RT travelled to the midlands, to find the headquarters of the observatory, and investigate more.

    https://youtu.be/2Kwd-8lJUhI

    and a few words about Syrian Opposition

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/syrian-oppositions-amazing-cia-credentials/

    I believe The Guardian is a very reputable news source:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jul/12/syrian-opposition-doing-the-talking

    They're selling the idea of military intervention and regime change, and the mainstream news is hungry to buy. Many of the "activists" and spokespeople representing the Syrian opposition are closely (and in many cases financially) interlinked with the US and London – the very people who would be doing the intervening. Which means information and statistics from these sources isn't necessarily pure news – it's a sales pitch, a PR campaign.

    But it's never too late to ask questions, to scrutinise sources. Asking questions doesn't make you a cheerleader for Assad – that's a false argument. It just makes you less susceptible to spin. The good news is, there's a sceptic born every minute.

  16. Yes, this is very interesting:

    On top of that, the report suggests that much of the war propaganda being used to promote international military intervention and “revolution” is actually slick public-relations gimmicks financed by large tax-exempt foundations and even the governments being asked to intervene. And there is big money behind the spread of the disinformation. Consider the seemingly never-ending reports about “civilian massacres” blamed on the Syrian tyrant — almost always from anonymous “activists” — that continually prove to be exaggerated, fabricated, or even perpetrated by the Western-backed rebels themselves, and then blamed on the regime.

  17. Well done Russia!

    America proved to be useless in fighting Islamic State, a complete failure!

    Yes, well done!

    http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jets-hit-syrian-rebels-moscow-says-islamic-131148793.html#

    The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 39 civilians had been killed since the start of the Russian air strikes on Wednesday. It said 14 fighters, mostly Islamic State militants, had also been killed.

    Unfortunately this is inevitable in a war like that. It's not possible to separate civilians from the Islamic State militants in some areas with high density of the Islamic State militants.

    Remember what America did the day before yesterday in Afghanistan?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/world/asia/afghanistan-bombing-hospital-doctors-without-borders-kunduz.html?_r=0

    The American public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible. In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.

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