WOOHOO

I would be pretty sure THB 50k or even 100k/m, a Hi-So does not make...

And all this, "If they didn't pay their way...wouldnt date them again, " I dated a Thai airways flight attendant and dumped her cos she didnt pay"etc etc......in your dreams boys....

Why do you say that? The only reason a hi-so wouldn't make that kind of money, is because their family is so wealthy they don't have to work at all. In which case 50/100k would be pocket change.

As for your second comment. Are you insinuating an air hostess is such a catch that it would be impossible to stop dating her??

Yet another post on TV where someone is calling someone else a lier, based on their own poor standards!

I can understand people coming here for easy women, but I can't understand that there are people who can't understand that people don't come here for easy women.

Quite preposterous that some people's life is so cemented in the bar scenario, that they can not imagine others without any interest at all.

Exactly. That's what was so objectionable about the OP. The simpleton, ego centric attitude that his experiences are the norm. Every body else's experiences and perceptions must be the same as his. It's quite alarming how many other TV members live in the same deluded state.

Edit: Forgot to say. I notice that the OP is so strong about his convictions that he hasn't bothered coming back to defend them.

Me and most of the honest men around.

I'm totally with you on this one UG.

Some sex tourists come for 10 nights and have 10 partners.

Some sex tourists come here for 10 years and have one partner.

Definition of sex tourist

Person who travels to a foreign country to have sex with a foreign national.

That's definition pretty much covers everyone who has ever posted on this forum (male and female).

I think you'll find there has to be a monetry transaction involved for it to be classed as sex tourism. If someone comes to Thailand working, meets his future partner somewhere other than a bar, then that is called normal life.

I know full well that you are one of the pathetic individuals on TV who thinks he pushes peoples buttons, and winds them up. However I can also tell that you mean a lot of what you say, which makes you a very sad little man. Come to think of it, you have classic 'small man syndrome'. You're not 5' 6" by any chance?

....If it upsets someone , welcome to Thailand , this is what they all do over here ,

no risks .

Monkey see, monkey do. They will nearly always eat it or give it to someone else who will though. Big difference.

OK...lets put it this way then....Statistically speaking the the vast majority are here for "easy women"...

Tourists maybe. Tourists to certain areas undoubtedly. Long termers, don't think so. Why are so many Farang fluent in Thai. So they can explain what position they're after??

That and getting things cheaper than tourists do. It is not to better understand Thai culture and that is for sure.

That says absolutely nothing about Thailand and everything about you!

But at weekends, for the best beaches head North.

I'm an expert smashing them ...sorry ....

Just take a blue pvc hit them flat with it and they are finished .

Some would hate me for it , but what you want me to do ? I've got kids walking around here ,

had a couple of cobra's recently , those I ask the neighbour to get along .

If you think killing them is going to reduce the amount of them in your garden, then you aint to bright. I'm no green peace hippy, what needs to be done, needs to be done sometimes, but that isn't it. At least eat them or give them to someone who will.

Anyway why the need to tell every body? If that's what you do then fine. You knew as you wrote it, that it would upset some people. (Not me I hasten to add)

Shouldn't questions as important as that be directed at the hospital? There are certain times when you don't want to hear jokes or incensitive replies. Just a thought. Bit late now I guess.

In my view: Any Farang Male, that claims that the woman factor (as described above), does not play a role for him staying in Thailand is an apologist. Apologising for something no apology IMHO is necessary. Cheers !

As so many people do, you have the very bad habit of judging others by your own poor standards!

I'm very doubtful about guys who claim that the availability of hot girls wasn't a factor in their initial decision to spend extended time in Thailand.

When I came to Thailand age 24, I came to sleep in a 3 quid a night bamboo bungalow on the beach. I tossed a coin between Thailand and Bali. I'm very glad it was tails!

OK...lets put it this way then....Statistically speaking the the vast majority are here for "easy women"...

Tourists maybe. Tourists to certain areas undoubtedly. Long termers, don't think so. Why are so many Farang fluent in Thai. So they can explain what position they're after??

Certain kinds of people will only ever meet people of the same mind set, that is normal. Try to be less self involved and realise, that just because that's all you see, that's not all that exists.

Anyway, this wasn't about morals or bar girls for me. This was about a man who thought because he had failed to make himself happy here, and lasted a very small amount of time, that he should advise others to stay away, because they will surely fail as well!

If I had a business selling cars, and it had just gone tits up. I then came on here and said "listen up guys, don't try to make a living selling cars, it won't work, you'll lose every thing". People would think I was a <deleted>, and I would be inundated by replies from successful car salesmen, telling me so. What he did is exactly the same.

Might it be a member of the viper family, it's got that kind of head. I'm no expert I'm afraid, but it does look as if it could be venemous. Just stay indoors, it will be long gone by morning.

Don't kill it. No need!

The OP didn't give us much to go on regarding his reasons for leaving

So let's invent some reasons that depict him in the worst possible light.

I don't think people have been doing that particularly. It was him that said he came for 'cheap and easy' woman after all.

What else are we supposed to do anyway, he hasn't taken the time to follow up his words of wisdom, since his first post, so we're left filling in the blanks.

The OP didn't give us much to go on regarding his reasons for leaving.

Reading between the lines, I suspect he was, to put it diplomatically, unlucky in love. In the end, he'd hoped to find Ms. Right. But he searched in the mostly the wrong places. He failed to understand the culture, couldn't adapt to what he learned about it, like poor women and their families needing to be paid off. Probably didn't learn much of the language. Didn't make any good friends. Didn't have something interesting and meaningful to DO here in Thailand. Got lonely. Meanwhile, old friends await back home, and people w/ whom he can communicate easily.

So his leaving doesn't reflect on Thailand, from what he said. It's just a matter of his own expectations, which, in retrospect, were unrealistic. He'll be happier leaving. Good decision for him.

Still, many farangs have adapted, lead the kind of lives they want to lead, and are happy enough.

People bring their own problems with them. If they fail to solve them here, then they take them back home. So be it.

Nice post.

In his post, the OP advises people to come to Thailand, not get involved with Thai woman, not invest in anything, have some fun and then go back home again. Now why does that sound familiar. Oh yeh that's it, that's exactly what he did. So this bufoon is trying to tell us that the way he has handled Thailand, what he has done, what he hasn't done, and when it was time for him to leave is the text book way, and he as good as implies if you don't do it the same way as him, you're doing it wrong.

I know people who have been here closer to 30 years than 3. If only they knew they'd got it all wrong, and that they were supposed to have left decades ago. As someone else said, there are so many kinds of people here, with so many stories. For one man, after 3 years, to think he's got it all sussed, to the point of wanting to pass his experiences on to every body else, is a bit pathetic to say the least.

Only the OP knows what he meant....but to quote you " In the OP's own words".....not the OP's own words, your words, you purposely misquoted the OP in an attempt to make a point about BG's.

So only the OP knows what he meant, yet you know that my interpretation of it is wrong! How does that work? As I suspected, you can't give me the alternative interpretation as requested. As there quite clearly isn't one.

As I said. If the OP was simply sharing his own experiences, and his own thoughts, I wouldn't have even posted. It's the "I'm leaving, so it must be because the place is shit" and not because, I couldn't make it work here, attitude that gets old. I'm leaving, so I'm going to tell every body else that they're clueless for staying. The OP needs to get over himself and move on.

examples of which abound, particularly in predominantly expat areas such as Phuket.

Are there that many examples??

I would guess it has something to do with TV rules. Making libalous claims about someone isn't allowed, I wouldn't have thought.

It is totally clear that his consideration is based on that (ex) b/g clueless Farang scenario and similar cliché, which he uses to generalize. That is indeed a superficial, pathetic, inconsiderately crap. There are so many different kind of people in so many different situations here...

I for one live here since 25 years and I personally don't know one of that kind of people OP is talking about. I also would not say that building a home for the family under the name of the wife is an investment. It is a home.

And what about that rather silly statement: "why anyone would want to stay here if they have the means and oppertunity to live in a industrialized country."? which actually proves his inability to give any advice in this matter.

Touche!

I will put it you again...nowhere did the OP say anything about BG's....he said "girls were cheap and easy".....you have put your own bigoted interpretation of what he was taking about....

This guys post has really touched a lot of raw nerves it appears and makes me wondering why ??...too close to home perhaps ??..

"Girls were cheap and easy". So what exactly is your interpretation of that then? If we are getting it so wrong, I would love to know what it meant.

Why you continually refer to 'nerves being touched' is beyond me. Thinking someones post was nonsense and saying so, doesn't mean anybody really gives a shit.

i didnt find his opinion arrogant. He only created a thread and voiced his ideas before leaving, if you don't like it, don't eat it

Then I would suggest that you don't understand people very well!

Happy people, who are just about to make themselves even happier by going somewhere they really want to go, don't normally think, "I know, I'll make a really negative post on the internet before I go"

In his own words, he came here to sleep with bar girls. After three years that got old, who would have thought it! now he's moving on. I don't really think anybody else needs advice from him, do you.

If his sub heading "Why live in Thailand" isn't suggesting we should all be on the next plane with him, then I don't know what is.

Something the OP has said seems to have upset a few people.

Rather than deal with the comments we have members making personal attacks against the OP.

Why so?

Because his ignorance is tedious. If he had said this is what happened to me, this is why I can't live here any more, then fair enough. Telling other people that they shouldn't live or come here, as if, because he couldn't make it work then how could any body else possibly make it work, is arrogance of the highest order.

I really don't like you guys who take a broad swipe at Bar Girls!

Bar Girls are made of of many types and personalities..some are good and some are bad but if you just write off a girl just because they work in a bar you are making a BIG mistake!

Right. My salary here is more than double what I would get in Australia. The house I bought here would cost triple in Australia.

***Handy tip: Don't get involved with a bar girl. That's a free one.

Yes bar girls are people. Yes they need to be treated as human beings, and yes I'm sure lots of them aren't bad girls.

But, they are PROSTITUTES. Anybody who is discussing Thailand with no more knowledge than a few years in girlie bars, is not in a position to have their opinion taken seriously.

OP you are a moron. You weren't able to make a happy, successful life here, so you have the arrogance to assume no one else will either. Nothing more than sour grapes, and plenty of them.

I think you will find 'Kurnells' advice is pretty good. I would change it slightly. If you want to get involved with a bar girl, go ahead. If and when it goes tits up, just have the decency to slope off quietly, and not bore the rest of us with your self inflicted troubles.

You wouldnt want to bet on that would you ??....

Yes I would. I would happily make a bet that nothing much will change in the next 10/20 years. Nothing unusual and particularly bad anyway, things are always changing of course.

Also think you are over estimating the importance of resident farangs in Thailands to the powers that be,

You are surely not suggesting the OAP's who support half of Isaan are hands that feed any goverment official/dept ?...

Why are you separating resident Farang and Issan dwelling Farangs from all Farangs? If things went tits up and Farangs had to leave, it would be all the tourists as well. I have no economics degree, but I'm fairly sure that would affect Thailands income some what!

As I am only a guest here I don't believe I have to behave any other way .... now give me Thai citizenship and maybe I would take my responsibility to my Thai wife and our children more seriously.

You're a despicable man. Anyway, you need to be human before you can be a citizen, you <deleted>.

YAAWWWWWNNNNNN...

Ohh! so that's how you get to 11,544 posts in 4 years.

There will be ups and downs but nothing major. As someone said, the powers that be won't be stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds them.

There is nothing illegal about changing lanes, as long as the correct indication signals are given. Driving anywhere in Phuket usually necessitates changing lanes quite frequently. It is also the norm (as in the US) to overtake on the inside lane (very bad practice on European roads). Any collision from the rear can only happen if the vehicle behind is travelling too close, particularly if they are aware of the deficiencies of their brakes.

Changing lanes is highly illegal if you're doing it dangerously and recklessly and putting peoples lives in danger.

The old 'the car behind is always to blame for not keeping his distance' law, although more often than not, true in a court of law, in practice is nonsense. The amount of cars on the roads in most places in the world, means it is physically impossible for every car to keep that safe distance.

I am dieing to know though what exactly is a north of kamala kind of guy?

Do you mean literally, or are you asking for my inner most thoughts as to what makes me tick I think it was probably the first one!

I simply meant I live, and prefer to spend most of my time in the northern half of the island. It doesn't matter where you live on Phuket, every where else is always going to be on your door step, but there's normally always somewhere that just feels right for you. Which is why I would say, try not to commit to anything sooner than you have to. I don't know how much you know of Phuket already, but the more you explore before you settle down the more chance you'll end up happy.

I live in Rawai and like it there.

School: check out ABC Nursery, my 2 kids are going there and I'm very happy with them.

Although I'm very much a 'North of Kamala' kind of guy, I would have to agree that for the availability of nurseries and schools and the kind of ex-pat interaction you seek, you may well be better suited to somewhere like Rawai, Nai Harn.

If it is at all possible. The advice I and others always give, is try not to commit to anywhere straight away and sample both for a while first, not always possible however.

Good luck.

Sorry, WOOHOO. Carpetbaggers is just a term for people who come in, buy everything up and then flog it at a profit.

My point about them reflects one of your concerns - that farang can just outbid a Thai and buy everything up. I'm sure that this could be catered for by, for example, allowing someone to own the land on which their house stands, with appropriate safeguards to prevent the unscrupulous developers.

I must admit to being a bit irritated when I see Thaksin's London houses and know that I'm not allowed to own the little piece of land on which my house stands.

Cheers for the answer. I had written a fairly lengthy reply to some other posters, but the thread was put back on topic before I could post it. I think the OP has pretty much run its course but perhaps we will be allowed to come back and pick this up again, when no one has replied on topic for a bit longer. It's a very relevant topic and a good one to discuss.

Depends on why you're there.

If you're there to make money, any time you want.

If you're there because you love LOS and everything about it, dream of it whenever you're not, sacrifice your standard of living to save enough to live there, then only when they drag you kicking and screaming to the plane.

Good answer. For a lot of people the love of this place will keep us here no matter what. If My families lives were at risk, then obviously it would be time to go, but it will take a lot more than a bit of political unrest or a coup here and there for me to pack up. If you love somewhere, you see it through, good times and bad.