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If you're a Thai doctor or nurse in an underfunded, understaffed government run hospital, and you've seen the volume of new incoming COVID hospitalizations you have to treat and care for more than triple since mid March, I think it's reasonable to believe there's likely to be a "psychological toll of the pandemic as healthcare workers face burnout and fatigue."
Remember, the COVID pandemic has now been ongoing at varying levels for almost four and a half years now, and that alone has taken its toll.
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10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:You seemed to have missed the very important FACT that being vaccinated does NOT stop transmission.
Up-to-date vaccinations significantly reduce the risk of people from getting seriously ill / being hospitalized or dying from COVID. And, it reduces the risk of transmission, particularly in the months immediately following vaccination.
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The tone of today's report by the Thai MoPH is particularly interesting, because their comments in past weeks have tended to minimize the spiraling numbers of COVID hospitalizations and suggest everything would be manageable.
But now for the first time today, we get a sudden about-face with the following assessment from the OP above:
"Concerns are rising among doctors and hospitals as Covid patients are taking longer to recover, leading to a shortage of hospital beds [emphasis added]. The high number of cases is also taking a toll on healthcare workers who are feeling overwhelmed by the demands.
The situation has been consistent in recent weeks, with high numbers of Covid hospitalisations. Between 15% to 24% of these admissions require ICU care or supplemental oxygen, with recovery times ranging from three to eight weeks.
Limited Covid testing is worrying healthcare professionals as it could lead to extensive spread in the community and potentially result in long-term medical issues, such as new-onset diabetes, hypertension, chronic fatigue, and neuropsychiatric problems."
Suddenly, it seems, someone decided that they're actually going to (more or less) start telling the truth.
Who knows what might come next? Perhaps someone in the Thai MoPH will come out and explain why they've basically had no national COVID vaccination program for the past year or more, and have shown no signs of making broadly available to the elderly or anyone else the newer COVID vaccines tailored to protect against the newer COVID variants.
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Thai Medics Warn of Covid Surge with 11 New Deaths
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"Thailand's spring 2024 COVID surge continued for a ninth consecutive week [emphasis added] last week, with the government reporting 1,880 new COVID hospitalizations, up 4.9% from 1,792 the prior week, and 11 new official COVID deaths, a decline of one.
The Ministry of Public Health also reported the total number of current COVID hospitalizations rated in serious condition climbed to 588 from 501 the prior week, a 17.4% increase and a tally that appears to be Thailand's highest in almost a year and a half."
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"The weekly COVID new hospitalization counts reported by the MoPH during the past nine weeks have been as follows, with the spring surge beginning well before this year's mid-April Song Kran holidays, but then climbing rapidly after they arrived:
March 16 -- 501
March 23 -- 630
March 30 -- 728
April 6 -- 774
April 13 -- 849
April 20 -- 1,004
April 27 -- 1,672
May 4 -- 1,792
May 11 -- 1,880"
https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=main
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9 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:No deaths. Kids get sick. Carry on.
More than 1,800 juvenile COVID deaths in the U.S. up thru mid-2023, leaving out all the hospitalizations.
Provisional COVID-19 deaths by age group, by sex: United States
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv
And globally through 2023:
"Of the over 17,400 deaths reported in those under 20 years of age, 53 per cent occurred among adolescents ages 10–19, and 47 per cent among children ages 0–9.
https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/
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6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:
I wouldn't give my kid the covid vaxx. What's wrong with you people.
COVID-19 Vaccination and Incidence of Pediatric SARS-CoV-2 Infection and Hospitalization
"We provide evidence that California’s pediatric COVID-19 immunization program averted 376 085 (95% PI, 348 355-417 328) reported cases and 273 (95% PI, 77-605) hospitalizations among children aged 6 months to 15 years during the 4 to 7 months following vaccine availability. This represents a reduction of 26.3% of the number of cases that would have been seen in this population absent the vaccine."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2817868
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Regarding state measles vaccine mandates for children, this 2015 journal article provides some background on the various opt-out options that are typically available. The state tally numbers probably have changed some over the years, but the opt-out category options remain.
"Opt-outs from these school-entry vaccination requirements do exist, though. All 50 states allow children to be exempted for medical contraindications to vaccines, 48 states (all but West Virginia and Mississippi) allow religious exemptions, and 19 states allow personal belief or philosophical exemptions. These philosophical exemptions primarily exist to reduce infringement on individual choice and enhance the sustainability and acceptability of compulsory vaccination."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4388794/
FWIW, with Republicans taking over control of a lot of state Legislatures in recent years in the mid-West and South, the above exception listings probably have expanded now to more states than was the case back in 2015.
The point of the historic policy in the U.S. has been to make childhood vaccinations the default option, and then allow individual exceptions as warranted.
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1 hour ago, thesetat said:I am confused alot by you logic. IF an unvaccinated kid sits next to a vaccinated kid. Does this mean the vaccinated kid will get so sick and die or worse? If so, then what is the point of being vaccinated for anything. My kids had the measles vaccines but still caught measles in the school classroom. Even the COVID vaccine does not prevent you from getting COVID. So why should you force another child to do and believe what you want when there is nothing for prevention in that vaccine. Whow has the right to tell me what i should or should not inject into my kid.. If you choose it for your kid and believe they are protected in some way. Then the kid next to them in class getting sick will not affect your child.
1. No vaccine provides 100% protection, but the measles vaccine comes close:
"The MMR vaccine is very safe and effective. Two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97% effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93% effective."
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/measles/index.html
2. The reasons for the measles vaccine mandates at the state level -- where generally there are also exemptions made available for religious and medical reasons -- is that measles is a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease.
"In 2021, there were an estimated 9 million cases and 128,000 deaths from measles worldwide. Twenty-two countries experienced large and disruptive outbreaks. Declines in vaccine coverage, weakened measles surveillance, and continued interruptions and delays in immunization activities due to COVID-19, as well as persistent large outbreaks in 2022, mean that measles is an imminent threat in every region of the world."
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/p1123-measles-threat.html
3. The reason for the measles vaccine mandate is when societies get to the 95% vaccination rate -- which the U.S. and the U.K. currently have fallen short of, and thus have been experiencing measles outbreaks -- measles will no longer spread and even those who are unvaccinated should be protected.
"Measles, for example, spreads so easily that an estimated 95% of a population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. In turn, the remaining 5% have protection because, at 95% coverage, measles will no longer spread. For polio, the threshold is about 80%.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/herd-immunity
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4 hours ago, Paul Henry said:
He is already responsible for over one millon unnessesary Covid 19 deaths through his lies and denialism. In the next breath he will bragg about how he had the Covid 19 vaccine developed in record time and without him we would still be waiting for the vaccine. LOCK HIM UP. "REAL MEN WEAR DIAPERS SO DO BABIES." We know he is not a real man!
From the recent past:
Trump renews praise for Covid vaccines, 'one of the greatest achievements of mankind'
Trump was booed by an audience in Dallas on Sunday after revealing he got his Covid booster shot.Dec. 23, 2021WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump praised the efficacy of the coronavirus vaccines in a new interview just days after being booed by an audience for revealing he received a Covid booster shot.
"The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind," Trump told conservative commentator Candace Owens in an interview on Wednesday. While Trump has expressed opposition to vaccine mandates, he has long taken credit for the vaccines developed on his watch.
"I came up with a vaccine, with three vaccines all are very, very good," he said in the interview, referring to the Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson shots.
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In people who have already contracted COVID-19 and now suffer from long-COVID, receiving a COVID vaccination has a significant association with prolonged symptoms of long-COVID for more than one year after the initial infection.
Association is not necessarily causation.
And, the cited study is a small one from Iran, curiously authored by an epilepsy doctor for some reason, and counted people who had received only ONE COVID vaccine dose, which is not full vaccination.
Meanwhile, there are many other Long COVID studies from around the world that consistently say COVID vaccination prior to COVID infection significantly reduces the subsequent risk of Long COVID.
Review estimates 69% 3-dose vaccine efficacy against long COVID
A meta-analysis today in Antimicrobial Stewardship & Healthcare Epidemiology estimates a vaccine effectiveness (VE) of 69% for three doses of COVID-19 vaccine against long COVID, while two doses offer 37% efficacy.
Led by researchers at the University of Iowa, the meta-analysis involved 24 studies [emphasis added] on COVID-19 VE against long COVID among recipients of at least two doses of a vaccine before or after infection from December 2019 to June 2023.
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Much lower long-COVID prevalence among vaccinated
The pooled prevalence of long COVID was 11.8% among unvaccinated participants and 5.3% among recipients of at least two vaccine doses.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/review-estimates-69-3-dose-vaccine-efficacy-against-long-covid
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Getting Vaccinated May Be Your Best Protection from Long COVID
November 22, 2023
People vaccinated before their first case of COVID-19 are diagnosed with Long COVID almost four times less than unvaccinated people, suggests a large new study published Nov. 22 in the BMJ.
That’s not an entirely new finding. For years, studies have shown that, while vaccinated people can and do develop Long COVID, they are at lower risk than people who haven’t had their shots. But researchers have come to drastically different estimates about exactly how much protection vaccines offer against Long COVID, with their findings ranging from about 15% efficacy to around 50%.
The new study offers encouraging evidence that people who get vaccinated before their first COVID-19 case are at significantly lower risk of developing long-term symptoms like brain fog and fatigue, with each additional dose received prior to infection offering extra protection. A single pre-infection dose of one of the original COVID-19 vaccines reduced the risk of Long COVID by 21%, two doses by 59%, and three or more doses by 73%, the researchers estimated.
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https://time.com/6338434/vaccination-long-covid-risk/
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11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:To be clear, Trump was being vague when he spoke, and will likely narrow the vaccines down to just COVID, if he is pressed.
By being vague, he hopes to pick up support from those who follow RFK because they are anti-vax.
"The Trump campaign said this line refers solely to COVID-vaccination mandates for students, not older immunization requirements for diseases like polio, measles, and diphtheria.
“If you actually listen to the entire section, and also if you’ve been following his speeches for the past year, he’s talking about COVID vaccines in addition to masks in the same breath. This isn’t anything new he hasn’t said,” Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung said via email.
Trump did not say the word COVID while discussing his education plans on Saturday, or in previous versions of his stump speech that featured similar phrasing. [emphasis added]
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-school-funding-vaccine-mandates.html
Others took him at his word for what he actually said:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-school-funding-vaccine-mandates.html
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The guy is an utter idiot, and by now, I guess that's to be expected, especially since he's running again for president and is trolling for what he thinks will bring him votes.
Here's what he's running up against:
Researchers estimate vaccines have saved 154 million lives over past half-century
May 9, 2024
An international team of health and medical researchers including workers at the WHO, working with economists and modeling specialists, has found that the use of vaccines to prevent or treat disease has saved the lives of approximately 154 million people over the past half-century.
...The goal of the team was to evaluate the degree of success of the Expanded Program on Immunization (EPI) launched by the World Health Organization in 1974. The goal of the EPI has been to vaccinate all the children in the world against the most common deadly diseases. At its onset, the list included seven diseases; it has since been expanded to include 14.
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The research team also found that children benefited the most from vaccination—101 million of the lives saved were under the age of 1. They also found evidence that vaccination programs had a major impact on infant mortality rates—over the past half-century, rates have declined globally by 40%. The researchers also found that the measles vaccine made the biggest impact—it was responsible for 60% of the lives saved.
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https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-05-vaccines-million-century.html
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2 hours ago, cncltd1973 said:I never agree with Trump, but I think Covid was a huge overreaction that largely affected the obese, elderly and sick. forcing the entire population to vax is a mistake. the US lost 1/3 of 1% of the weak and frail, that's natural, survival of the fittest. if you want to live than try putting some effort into health and longevity instead of making everyone vax. I'm for polio and measles vax but covid doesn't belong in those ranks.
1. No one ever forced "the entire population to vax" related to COVID in the U.S., nor is anyone proposing to for the future.
and 2. Trump here -- at least based on his actual words spoken -- isn't just talking about school vaccine mandates relating to COVID. He's talking about wanting to ban federal funding for any school that requires ANY vaccine, including those for things like polio and measles that have long been a standard requirement for attending public schools.
From the OP:
QuoteSuch a move would jeopardize the health and safety of students by undermining longstanding immunization policies that protect against diseases like polio, measles, and hepatitis B.
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Clinical trials aim to assess potential treatments for sleep disturbances, exercise intolerance and post exertional malaise
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) will launch clinical trials to investigate potential treatments for long-term symptoms after COVID-19 infection, including sleep disturbances, exercise intolerance and the worsening of symptoms following physical or mental exertion known as post-exertional malaise (PEM).
The mid-stage trials, part of NIH’s Researching COVID to Enhance Recovery (RECOVER) Initiative, will join six other RECOVER studies currently enrolling participants across the United States testing treatments to address viral persistence, neurological symptoms, including cognitive dysfunction (like brain fog) and autonomic nervous system dysfunction.
The new trials will enroll approximately 1,660 people across 50 study sites to investigate potential treatments for some of the most frequent and burdensome symptoms reported by people suffering from long COVID.
“The group of symptoms these trials will try to alleviate are truly disruptive and devastating for so many people struggling with long COVID,” said Walter J. Koroshetz, M.D., director of NIH’s National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, and co-lead of the RECOVER Initiative. “When people can’t get reliable sleep, can’t exert themselves and feel sick following tasks that used to be simple, the physical and mental anguish can lead to feelings of utter helplessness. We urgently need to come up with answers to help those struggling with long COVID feel whole again.”
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[details of the specific potential treatments to be explored are listed in the full announcement linked below]
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1 hour ago, transam said:
My step grandson, 9 months old was not well, they took him to hospital (He is insured) for a check-up.
He tested positive for Covid, which strain I don't know. We are all a bit mystified as to how he contracted it, as he has a pretty sheltered life.
Thankfully, he is dealing with it OK, they hope he will be able to go home sometime this week..🤗
Trans, so are you saying they admitted him to the hospital for COVID -- not just outpatient?
Quotethey hope he will be able to go home sometime this week
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43 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:
Oh yes, and of the 11 new official COVID deaths, the MoPH below is reporting that 4 were male and 7 female. By age, 10 were 70 and above, and one was age 60-69.
I think that pretty much shows that COVID could be a small risk for the ELDERLY, but that it is a Big Nothing-burger for the younger and working-age population.You're talking about risk only on the basis of Thailand's relatively few official COVID deaths -- which past studies have shown to be undercounts to the actual levels of likely COVID deaths.
And for the record, Thailand among its official COVID deaths has reported one involving a young child and another involving a 20-49-year-old just in the past month. No details about the particulars of those cases.
But that assessment doesn't take into account the much larger numbers of serious COVID hospitalizations -- 588 current as of last week, and 14,937 total thus far for the year.
And for that group, the Thai MoPH doesn't publicly release any age or other demographic information. So we don't really know the details of just whom COVID is making seriously ill in Thailand. I'd guess the elderly predominate there as has generally been the case elsewhere in recent times, but to what extent younger people are involved as they have been elsewhere in smaller numbers, we simply don't know.
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Thailand's spring 2024 COVID surge continued for a ninth consecutive week last week, with the government reporting 1,880 new COVID hospitalizations, up 4.9% from 1,792 the prior week, and 11 new official COVID deaths, a decline of one.
The Ministry of Public Health also reported the total number of current COVID hospitalizations rated in serious condition climbed to 588 from 501 the prior week, a 17.4% increase and a tally that appears to be Thailand's highest in almost a year and a half.
The number of currently hospitalized COVID patients requiring intubation / ventilation to breathe also rose to 237 from 187 the prior week, up 27% and the highest number in that category since early June 2023.
The Thai government does not publicly report the total numbers of all current COVID hospitalizations, but instead only breaks out the subtotals for those in serious condition and requiring intubation, and then the new COVID hospitalizations each week.
With the latest update for the period May 5 - 11, Thailand's weekly new COVID hospitalizations at 1,880, averaging 269 per day, have more than tripled from the 501 weekly count recorded in mid-March when the latest COVID surge began.
The latest weekly count on new COVID hospitalizations is Thailand's highest number since mid-June 2023, when the total hit 2,158. The latest tally of 11 new COVID deaths is a decline of one from the prior week, but still one of the highest weekly totals thus far for 2024.
Thailand had a similar COVID surge last spring as well, when weekly COVID new hospitalizations rose from a few hundred to a peak of more than 3,000 by early June 2023 before eventually subsiding.
Among the 11 new COVID deaths reported for the past week, 4 were male and 7 were female. The MoPH said 10 were ages 70 and above, while one was in the 60-69 age range. The MoPH only recently resumed publicly disclosing the broad age ranges for Thailand's reported COVID deaths, something they had ceased many months prior with the end of COVID's declared emergency status in Thailand.
With the latest weekly report, Thailand since the start of 2024 has now seen 14,937 COVID hospitalizations and 104 official COVID deaths, according to the MoPH. Even while COVID hospitalizations have been spiking, Thailand's officially reported weekly COVID deaths had mostly remained in the single digits during 2024.
The weekly COVID new hospitalization counts reported by the MoPH during the past nine weeks have been as follows, with the spring surge beginning well before this year's mid-April Song Kran holidays, but then climbing rapidly after they arrived:
March 16 -- 501
March 23 -- 630
March 30 -- 728
April 6 -- 774
April 13 -- 849
April 20 -- 1,004
April 27 -- 1,672
May 4 -- 1,792
May 11 -- 1,880
The MoPH's weekly COVID reports for Thailand are available at the following MoPH website:
https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=main
They also have been posted each week in the following AseanNow forum thread:
https://aseannow.com/topic/1311049-weekly-thai-ministry-of-public-health-covid-reports/
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Thailand MoPH Weekly COVID report for May 5 - 11, 2024:
--1,880 new COVID hospitalizations, averaging 269 per day, up 88 / 4.9% from the prior week
--11 new COVID deaths, down 1 / 8% from the prior week
--588 current COVID patients hospitalized in serious condition (pneumonia symptoms), up 87 / 17.4% from the prior week (dark purple)
--237 current COVID patients hospitalized requiring intubation/ventilation to breathe, up 50 / 27% from the prior week (light purple)
Cumulative figures since the start of the current year are COVID new hospitalizations (14,937) & COVID deaths (104).
Of the 11 new official COVID deaths, the MoPH below is reporting that 4 were male and 7 female. By age, 10 were 70 and above, and one was age 60-69.
https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=main
Reported weekly COVID new hospitalizations have now risen for the past 9 consecutive weeks since mid-March and more than tripled over that period, as follows for the weeks ending:
March 16 -- 501
March 23 -- 630
March 30 -- 728
April 6 -- 774
April 13 -- 849
April 20 -- 1,004
April 27 -- 1,672
May 4 -- 1,792
May 11 -- 1,880
The latest weekly new COVID hospitalizations total is Thailand's highest since mid-June 2023, when the total hit 2,158. Thailand's weekly new COVID hospitalizations peaked last spring at 3,085 in early June amid a similar run-up that began in mid-April.
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So let's talk about COVID vaccines and young people:
Teen vaccination cut COVID-19 cases by 37% in California, new data show
April 25, 2024
JAMA Network Open has published a new study showing that, from April 1, 2020, to February 27, 2023, in California, an estimated 146,210 COVID-19 cases were averted by vaccination in teens aged 12 to 15 years, representing a 37% reduction.
Researchers also estimated that 230,134 cases were averted in kids aged 5 to 11 years, a 24% reduction.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/teen-vaccination-cut-covid-19-cases-37-california-new-data-show
April 23, 2024COVID-19 Vaccination and Incidence of Pediatric SARS-CoV-2 Infection and Hospitalization
"We provide evidence that California’s pediatric COVID-19 immunization program averted 376 085 (95% PI, 348 355-417 328) reported cases and 273 (95% PI, 77-605) hospitalizations among children aged 6 months to 15 years during the 4 to 7 months following vaccine availability. This represents a reduction of 26.3% of the number of cases that would have been seen in this population absent the vaccine."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2817868
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Per the US CDC:
Myocarditis and Pericarditis after COVID-19 Vaccination
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly, and most cases have been reported after receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
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Data from VSD and from VAERS indicate that rates of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are highest among males in their late teens and early 20s, usually following the second dose of the vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
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The cited study assessed the individual side effect risks from three different COVID vaccines: AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna:
GBS and CVST, only cited for the AZ vaccine and both previously identified as rare risks.
Myocarditis and pericarditis, both previously identified rare risks from the mRNA vaccines, along with the AZ vaccine.
That's why the above FactCheck.org report on all this was titled:
Study Largely Confirms Known, Rare COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects
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21 hours ago, shortstop2 said:
For those of you that use Thailand Spotify Premium, what's an easy way for me to pay for it?
A long time ago, when I first signed up for Spotify Premium TH, I set up the payment method to automatically debit each month from my Bangkok Bank account (can't recall if I did it via my debit card or direct to my savings account).
I get an SMS message each month from BKKK when the payment is made.
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It's worth noting that several of the identified increased rare risks called out in the study (GBS and CVST) were associated only with the now withdrawn AstraZeneca vaccine, and not with the mRNA vaccines.
And most of those associated with the mRNA were the previously known rare risks of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart-related), where most studies have found those vaccine-related side effects to be generally mild and temporary in duration, unlike when those occur from COVID infections.
Addressing the specifically identified rare side effects, Science Based Medicine reported:
"Meanwhile, the chances of having a neurological event after a Covid infection were up to 617-fold higher than following COVID vaccination, which suggests “the benefits of vaccination substantially outweigh the risks,” according to the Vaccine study researchers.
The risk of developing myocarditis is higher post-Covid infection than after getting a Covid vaccine, according to Akiko Iwasaki, PhD, professor of Immunobiology at Yale University. Myocarditis risk after the second dose of a Covid vaccine is 35.9 per 100,000 people, compared to a 64.9 per 100,000 risk after Covid infection.
The risk of developing Guillain-Barre syndrome after Covid infection was six times greater, and the risk of developing it after vaccination was 0.41 times greater than the control group, according to a 2023 study published in Neurology."
Thai Medics Warn of Covid Surge with 11 New Deaths
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It's crazy anti-vaxer absolutism... Either something works 100%, or we shouldn't be doing it.