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Or not..... Dec 5, 2023 "Studies designed to accurately assess vaccine impact on COVID transmission also show that vaccination DOES reduce the chance of person-to-person spread of the virus." https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2023/12/05/get-your-updated-covid-vaccine/

From the actual report you're citing as its conclusions for the data in your chart: "Conclusions Slow but significant distribution of lipid nanoparticles from the site of injection with major uptake into liver. Minor distribution in spleen, adrenal glands and ovaries over 48 h" All of the above pretty much a nothing burger, as explained below: How long do mRNA and spike proteins last in the body? November 1, 2022 "Here we break down the data to show where mRNA vaccines (and spike proteins) travel in the body. There is no evidence that any mRNA or protein accumulates in any organ." ... Where does the vaccine go? Here's a peer-reviewed study that shows where intramuscular vaccines (which all three of the COVID-19 vaccines are) travel in macaques (a type of monkey). Vaccines mostly remain near the site of injection (the arm muscle) and local lymph nodes. ... Another peer-reviewed study tested exactly where an mRNA vaccine went in mice. Most of the mRNA vaccine stayed in the injection site muscle – where you get the shot. Look at Table 1. A lot of mRNA vaccine was found in local lymph nodes, which peaked about eight hours after the shot was given. A much smaller amount of mRNA vaccine went to farther away lymph nodes." https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go "The mRNA from the vaccines is broken down within a few days after vaccination and discarded from the body." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/overview-COVID-19-vaccines.html "Within a matter of days, the mRNA from the vaccine is destroyed by your cells, leaving no permanent mark on your body." https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/what-to-know-about-the-covid-19-vaccine

Except I'm not asking anyone here to take MY word for these things... But instead, regarding the credibility of Campbell, the half-dozen plus sourced fact check and other reports previously posted above showing where he had repeatedly presented misleading or misinformation about COVID-related topics, raising doubts about his credibility. And regarding the embalmer interviewed by Campbell, another half dozen or so sourced fact checks and other reports previously posted above saying there is NO credible evidence to support his/their claims and insinuations that COVID vaccines may have been or were responsible for the reported blood clots. I won't requote them all here, because the details have all been posted earlier in this thread in the following links: https://aseannow.com/topic/1320487-controversy-erupts-as-thai-doctors-clash-over-mrna-vaccine-effect/?do=findComment&comment=18718651 https://aseannow.com/topic/1320487-controversy-erupts-as-thai-doctors-clash-over-mrna-vaccine-effect/?do=findComment&comment=18718582 https://aseannow.com/topic/1320487-controversy-erupts-as-thai-doctors-clash-over-mrna-vaccine-effect/?do=findComment&comment=18718553 https://aseannow.com/topic/1320487-controversy-erupts-as-thai-doctors-clash-over-mrna-vaccine-effect/?do=findComment&comment=18718540 https://aseannow.com/topic/1320487-controversy-erupts-as-thai-doctors-clash-over-mrna-vaccine-effect/?do=findComment&comment=18718489 But in summary: "Other experts have come to the same conclusion when asked before by fact-checkers about such claims from funeral service providers, including Hirschman and O’Looney. “The images look to me more like postmortem clots, mainly due to the color, the shape, and particularly because of the amount,” Nikolaus Klupp, an associate professor of forensic medicine at the Medical University of Vienna, told Health Feedback in September." https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/ Listen to the experts. Not the misinformation peddlers.

Acknowledged rare serious vaccine side effects vanishingly small compared to the lives saved and illnesses prevented from COVID: ICMRA statement on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines "COVID-19 vaccines significantly reduce the risk of severe disease, hospitalisation and death from infection with SARS-CoV-2. ... Evidence from the more than 13 billions of vaccine doses given worldwide shows that COVID-19 vaccines have a very good safety profile in all age groups. The benefits of the approved vaccines far outweigh the possible risks. ... False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines. ... Millions of lives are estimated to have been saved by COVID-19 vaccination." International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities ICMRA brings together 38 medicines regulatory authorities from every region in the world, with the WHO as an observer. https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

For example, on the issue of distinguishing credible science from non-credible nonsense by non-credible authors: Paper claiming ‘extensive’ harms of COVID-19 vaccines to be retracted February 19, 2024 A journal is retracting a paper on the purported harms of vaccines against COVID-19 written in part by authors who have had similar work retracted before. The article, “COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines: Lessons Learned from the Registrational Trials and Global Vaccination Campaign,” appeared late last month in Cureus, which used to be a stand-alone journal but is now owned by Springer Nature. (It has appeared frequently in these pages.) Graham Parker, Director of Publishing and Customer Success at Cureus, told Retraction Watch: I can confirm we will be retracting it by the end of the week, as we have provided the authors with a deadline to reply and indicate whether they agree or disagree with the retraction. https://retractionwatch.com/2024/02/19/paper-claiming-extensive-harms-of-covid-19-vaccines-to-be-retracted/ ---------------------------------------- The authors of the above journal article include some of the most prolific originators of COVID misinformation, including Peter McCullough, Steve Kirsch, Stephanie Seneff, and Jessica Rose. "Two of the paper’s authors, Steve Kirsch and Peter McCullough, have often spread misinformation related to COVID-19 and the vaccine." https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/feb/09/instagram-posts/experts-say-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-have-saved-mill/ "Russell Blaylock and Stephanie Seneff, who are associate editors at IJVTPR, also have a history of propagating COVID-19 and vaccine disinformation in the past." https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/preventing-deaths-isnt-sole-benefit-covid19-vaccination-contrary-epoch-times-article/ "Of course, in the age of sophisticated molecular biology and genetics, antivaxxers can always find a special case that seems to show that the impossible is actually possible, and Jessica Rose is just continuing in this antivax tradition of misusing science..." https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-return-of-the-revenge-of-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-permanently-alter-your-dna-and-lab-leak/

Geez, where were the censors when it came to the bogus, debunked anti-vax claims that are at the heart of this thread? In other circles, there's plenty of opportunity to debate and assess all the things you mention. But real scientists and researchers are very capable of distinguishing differing views on factual, credibly derived info vs. outright unsupported and misleading claims based on junk so-called science by those with long track records of documented misinformation.

And yet, for some reason, we have Hemachudha publicly citing John Campbell's videos as credible information, even going so far as to say via the OP report: "Thiravat also attached links to Campbell’s videos for others to see the source of his information. He cited that Campbell was credible due to several cooperations with the National Health Service in England and many medical schools and universities." Anyone claiming credibility for Campbell (who isn't even an MD) and his tarnished misinformation record on COVID (as documented by numerous posts and supporting links above) has clearly gone down the rabbit hole, as Hemachudha appears to have done lately, with his Thai language articles and posts attacking COVID vaccines often citing widely discredited and debunked anti-vax reports from the U.S. as his sources. How much credibility should Hemachudha be given on this topic when he's relying on a documented misinformation purveyor as his source, and ignoring the numerous fact check reports and the opinions of multiple experts in the field both posted above that say embalmer Hirschman's claims relating to COVID vaccines are not credible?

"Alternate views on the vaccine" translating into discredited, unsupported and flawed or misleading claims put forth mostly by a variety of figures with extensive histories of misinformation, and typically not individuals who had/have any direct professional experience with infectious diseases and COVID vaccines. That's a more accurate description than your use of the term "alternate," unless you mean folks operating in their own "alternate reality" apart from actual medicine and science.

And more dismissing the claims previously made by embalmer Hirschman, repeated via Campbell's YT video, suggesting a link between the blood clots and COVID vaccines: There’s no scientific evidence that vaccines are responsible for strange blood clots observed by embalmers This anomaly may be the result of the coronavirus itself, since infection can cause blood vessel inflammation, damage to very small vessels and clots. ... "Experts we talked to say there’s something to the claim about a greater incidence of blood clots, but they dismiss the idea that it’s linked to the vaccines. What embalmers are noticing, they say, could well be the effects of COVID-19 infection itself, and those effects are occurring in people who are vaccinated and unvaccinated. ... “The association between COVID-19 and blood clots was recognized early in the pandemic among hospitalized COVID-19 patients,” said Yazan Abou-Ismail, a hematologist at University of Utah Health. “These patients experienced blood clots both in deep veins and arteries, which sometimes led to strokes and heart attacks. Although these conditions have mostly been seen in patients with severe COVID-19 illness, people with moderate illness have also developed blood clots.” https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/theres-no-scientific-evidence-that-vaccines-are-responsible-for-strange-blood-clots-observed-by-embalmers/

The source I cited was not a TikTok video... But instead, a FactCheck.org article that made mention that the quoted doctor also had done a TikTok video on the topic debunking the false claims: "Burnett, the Columbia physician, explained in a TikTok video debunking the “documentary” that the clots have many features characteristic of postmortem clots. “If you look at postmortem clots just with the naked eye, they’re gelatinous and they’re rubbery. And if you listen to the embalmers on this documentary, that’s exactly how they’re describing these new, strange clots,” he said. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/

And more on the recycling of the bogus, unsupported link between COVID vaccines and the blood clots, as originally cited in a notorious 2022 anti-vax film that's been widely debunked and discredited. But that didn't stop John Campbell from coming along now lately and resurfacing the same discredited nonsense by re-interviewing embalmer Hirschman, who made the same claims in the film. And what did actual medical doctors and experts have to say on the subject? Experts Debunk Claims From New Anti-Vax Documentary November 30, 2022 ... "It features several embalmers and funeral directors who claim to be coming forward for the first time to share their concerns over supposedly unusual blood clots found in deceased individuals they prepared for burial. But the main individual featured in the film is Ryan Cole, MD, who has a history of promoting false claims about the COVID vaccines and cancer. ... Eric Burnett, MD, of Columbia University's Irving Medical Center, said neither of those claims holds up to scrutiny. "I see a lot of blood clots in the hospital," Burnett told MedPage Today. "Just looking at those blood clots from the movie, they look like very common postmortem blood clots, and I feel like it was just the shock and awe value of using these images of blood clots taken out of context to scare people." https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/101975

And more: Mike Adams’ flawed analysis of a clot sent by embalmer Richard Hirschman doesn’t demonstrate any link between blood clots and COVID-19 vaccines 12 Sep 2022 ... "Irene Sansano, an anatomical pathology specialist at the Vall d’Hebron University Hospital in Barcelona, Spain, said in an email to Health Feedback that the clots found by Hirschman “don’t look different” from the ones they regularly find in blood clot autopsies at the hospital. She also explained that thromboembolisms (circulating blood clots) are frequent among deceased people and are mainly caused by “obesity, sedentarism, smoking, and now COVID-19”. ... However, the claim [of some association between the clots and COVID vaccines] is based on anecdotal evidence and flawed experiments that don’t support such an association. COVID-19 itself is much more likely to cause blood clots than the vaccines, which remain an effective strategy to prevent severe COVID-19 and the cardiovascular complications associated with it." https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/mike-adams-flawed-analysis-clot-embalmer-richard-hirschman-doesnt-demonstrate-link-between-blood-clots-and-covid-19-vaccines-epoch-times/

"there is no evidence that the clots are related to vaccination, nor are they necessarily abnormal. Many of the clots shown, in fact, appear to be postmortem clots, or blood clots that form after death, which would have nothing to do with vaccination or why someone died." ... "Burnett, the Columbia physician, explained in a TikTok video debunking the “documentary” that the clots have many features characteristic of postmortem clots. “If you look at postmortem clots just with the naked eye, they’re gelatinous and they’re rubbery. And if you listen to the embalmers on this documentary, that’s exactly how they’re describing these new, strange clots,” he said. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/

No one? So you didn't bother to read the OP post in this thread, which recounted the following: "Thai doctor Thiravat Hemachudha sparked controversy when he shared information about the potentially fatal effect of the messenger Ribonucleic Acid (mRNA) Covid-19 vaccine, citing English YouTuber John Campbell. Thiravat shared information from the English YouTuber, and retired nurse educator, Campbell, on Facebook on February 19. Thiravat talked about a white clot that was found in people and dead bodies with a history of the mRNA Covid vaccines." https://aseannow.com/topic/1320487-controversy-erupts-as-thai-doctors-clash-over-mrna-vaccine-effect/ That pretty much sounds like folks linking the clots with COVID vaccines... of course, without any evidence or proof of the connection, and the notion of such a connection having previously been debunked by various medical experts, as recounted in my earlier posts here above. And of course, that's exactly what numerous anti-vax posters have been doing and trying to do throughout this ridiculous thread -- claim some connection between the clots and COVID vaccines. So much for your "no one."

In his YT video, Campbell's repeated questioning prods Hirschman to claim that the clots only began with the arrival of COVID vaccines in 2021, but then also to claim that they were not seen prior in 2020 during the first year of the pandemic. So that's exactly what he's insinuating in his video.

"Jessica Koth, director of public relations for the [National Funeral Directors] association, told us in an email that “[f]uneral service professionals are in no way qualified to draw any conclusions about COVID vaccines and blood clots. We’re not medical examiners or physicians or scientists.” She pointed us to a blog post by funeral director and embalming expert Ben Schmidt, who called such claims “clickbait” and noted that it would be “extremely unusual for an embalmer to know someone’s medical history unless they were closely related to the deceased person,” and that embalming “often takes place before a specific cause of death is communicated to the embalmer let alone their vaccination records.” https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/

And more re Campbell's interviewee Hirschman: US embalmer baselessly links clots to Covid-19 vaccines 20 September 2022 A video shared on social media features an interview with an embalmer who claims he has seen an increasing number of bodies with unusual blood clots due to the Covid-19 vaccines. But experts say there is no data connecting the anecdotal observation to the shots... ... ""It is usually impossible to tell what caused the blood to clot in the first place by looking at the clot," said David Dorward, a consultant pathologist and a senior clinical lecturer at the University of Edinburgh, in a September 22 email. "For example, a blood clot from a patient who had clots caused by Covid infection when compared to blood clots formed following prolonged bed rest after a major operation would look pretty much identical." ... A study published in The Lancet in 2021 concluded that patients with a Covid-19 infection faced a significantly higher risk of developing blood clots than people who received mRNA vaccines." https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32JG7UE

More rubbishing of this recycled old anti-vax misinformation: No clear evidence that COVID vaccines are responsible for strange blood clots observed by embalmers February 9, 2022 A handful of embalmers claim they started noticing strange blood clots in bodies after the COVID-19 pandemic began, with some attributing it to the vaccine. The National Funeral Directors Association said embalmers in its network have noticed an uptick in blood clots in COVID-related deaths; however, it has been among the unvaccinated and vaccinated. This anomaly may be the result of the coronavirus itself, since the infection can cause blood vessel inflammation, damage to very small vessels, and blood clots. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/09/newswars/no-clear-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-are-responsibl/

They've been investigated.... but people like you and Campbell just don't like the answers from actual experts in the field: "Other experts have come to the same conclusion when asked before by fact-checkers about such claims from funeral service providers, including Hirschman and O’Looney. “The images look to me more like postmortem clots, mainly due to the color, the shape, and particularly because of the amount,” Nikolaus Klupp, an associate professor of forensic medicine at the Medical University of Vienna, told Health Feedback in September. “The blood clots are from refrigeration. It happens to many bodies,” embalmer Monica Torres, of NXT Generation Mortuary Support, told AFP the same month. “It’s just that there were so many bodies to process, many of them sat in refrigeration for long durations so they got blood clots. It’s not a big deal and these people are trying to make it a thing.” https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/ But sure, let's all listen to a documented COVID misinformation peddler as opposed to actual forensic medical professors and other actual medical experts.

What experts? Campbell, not even a routine MD, is at best an expert COVID misinformation peddler as documented by multiple sources above. Who else, the embalmer Hirschman that Campbell interviews in his video, the guy who also admitted: "But in a phone interview with FactCheck.org, he told us he never said he could prove a connection between the clots he was showing and the COVID-19 vaccines. “I can’t prove what this is,” Hirschman told FactCheck.org in a phone interview. “I’m not a doctor nor a scientist — I never said I was.” https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/

You mean as opposed to YouTube and social media cranks and documented anti-vax misinformation peddlers, not forgetting also about the actual cardiologists, podiatrists and other out-of-their field MDs making money selling bogus COVID cures and so-called natural remedies.

As the following FactCheck.org report recounts, Campbell's latest claims about clots found in cadavers, and trying by implication and his questioning to falsely link those to COVID vaccines, is a recycling of prior debunked claims made in a notorious anti-vax film, as follows: https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/ Posted on December 1, 2022 "The roughly hourlong video repeatedly flashes across the screen what appear to be postmortem blood clots, which are often found in dead bodies. Although such clots are common, the video features nine embalmers and funeral directors who describe the clots as a new anomaly and surmise that they were caused by COVID-19 vaccines." ... As the camera pans over clot specimens in tubes, Richard Hirschman, a licensed funeral director and embalmer in Alabama featured in the video, asks, “How come, all of a sudden, these things are happening in so many people?” [Hirschman also being one of the main figures interviewed by Campbell in his recent YouTube video]. ... But there is no evidence that the clots are related to vaccination, nor are they necessarily abnormal. Many of the clots shown, in fact, appear to be postmortem clots, or blood clots that form after death, which would have nothing to do with vaccination or why someone died. ... Some of the clots could be ones that formed prior to death, as blood clots are relatively common, but there is no evidence that COVID-19 mRNA vaccination causes them, as we’ve written." Then the above FactCheck report goes on to cite various sources explaining why the pictured blood clots are normal postmortem occurrences, and that The National Funeral Directors Association had previously told PolitiFact that embalmers had noticed an increase in blood clots among COVID-19-related deaths, including vaccinated and unvaccinated people. In short, just more anti-vax nonsense from Campbell, a documented COVID and COVID vaccines misinformation peddler as cited by various sources linked above.

I don't know if Campbell is a conspiracy theorist, but he certainly is a documented and chronic peddler of COVID and COVID vaccines misinformation, as has been well documented by many sources. "In the episode, Dore replayed a popular video previously posted on YouTube by nurse educator John Campbell, who also has a history of spreading misinformation about vaccines." https://www.factcheck.org/2023/12/scicheck-yale-preprint-recorded-patient-experiences-did-not-demonstrate-vaccines-cause-new-syndrome/ https://www.factcheck.org/person/john-campbell/ "On March 6, John Campbell, who has a doctorate in nursing education but is not a physician, posted a video about the drug that amassed nearly a million views. It incorrectly presented two weak studies as “powerful” and “overwhelming” evidence that the drug works to combat the disease. “Why isn’t this in the newspapers?” Campbell asks his viewers after reviewing preliminary results of a study that was later canceled by its authors and the results of a flawed study." https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/scicheck-evidence-still-lacking-to-support-ivermectin-as-treatment-for-covid-19/ "In addition to the debunks published by Susan Oliver and Greg Tucker-Kellogg, cited above in the review, molecular biologist Dan Wilson also published a video pointing out the misleading interpretation Campbell gave to COVID-19 death certificates listing pre-existing health conditions. UPDATE (1 February 2022): Following reader feedback, we provided additional context from Campbell’s video and explanations to clarify why John Campbell’s video was found to be misleading." https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/ivermectin-wasnt-shown-more-effective-than-remdesivir-contrary-to-claim-by-john-campbell/ "A video watched more than 700,000 times on YouTube, and being shared on Facebook, wrongly claims that a new study in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) means that “the risk of adverse events [from vaccination] is roughly a little more than four times greater than the risk of the child requiring oxygenation [from Covid-19]”. The video was posted by a popular YouTuber called Dr John Campbell, who regularly posts videos about Covid, and whose YouTube channel has been watched more than half a billion times. At the end of the video, Dr Campbell invites viewers to “see if I have misinterpreted anything”. He has, in several ways." https://fullfact.org/health/john-campbell-youtube-singapore-children/ Analysis of adverse event variation between Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine batches doesn’t indicate safety problems, contrary to claim by John Campbell https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/analysis-adverse-event-variation-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-batches-doesnt-indicate-safety-problems-contrary-john-campbell/ Or, as his Wikipedia profile page correctly summarizes: "Initially, the videos received praise, but they later veered into misinformation.[2] He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.[3][4][5] ... In August 2022 David Gorski wrote for Science-Based Medicine that while at the beginning of the pandemic Campbell had "seemed semi-reasonable", he later became a "total COVID-19 crank".[2] Others have expressed concern that Campbell's videos have been used by podcaster Jimmy Dore and others to support false claims against the Covid-19 vaccines.[19] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber) And THIS is the man who's bogus claims are the main source for the equally bogus claims made in the OP of this thread.

Lives saved by COVID‐19 vaccines Outside clinical trials, the first COVID‐19 vaccine was administered on 8 December 2020. Researchers aimed to quantify the global impact of the first year of COVID‐19 vaccination programmes using mathematical modelling to fit COVID‐19 transmission and vaccination to reported COVID‐19 mortality and all‐cause excess mortality in 185 countries and territories. 1 They determined the number of lives lost if there had been no vaccines. Based on reported COVID‐19 deaths, vaccinations prevented an estimated 14.4 million deaths (95% credible interval [Crl] 13.7–15.9) from COVID‐19 in a year. However, if excess deaths were used, this estimate rose to 19.8 million (95% Crl 19.1–20.4) deaths prevented (Fig. 1), equating to a global reduction of 63% in total deaths (19.8 million of 31.4 million) during the first year of COVID‐19 vaccination. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9537923/ COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say Nearly 20 million lives were saved by COVID-19 vaccines during their first year, but even more deaths could have been prevented if international targets for the shots had been reached, researchers reported Thursday. https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

Vanishingly small numbers of actual vaccine related deaths and injuries compared to the many tens of millions of lives saved by COVID vaccinations. Evidence from the more than 13 billions of vaccine doses given worldwide shows that COVID-19 vaccines have a very good safety profile in all age groups. The benefits of the approved vaccines far outweigh the possible risks. ... As for all medicines, reports of medical events after COVID-19 vaccination (suspected side effects) are collected and continuously evaluated by the authorities. These evaluations show that in most cases the medical events were not caused by the vaccine. There is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have contributed to excess mortality during the pandemic. Excess mortality largely coincides with peaks of SARS-CoV-2 infections, particularly during the first waves when vaccines were not available. In fact, there is strong evidence that COVID-19 vaccines save lives and prevent the serious harm associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection. https://www.icmra.info/drupal/en/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement About ICMRA ICMRA brings together 38 medicines regulatory authorities from every region in the world, with the WHO as an observer.