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Everyone understood all along that the rapid tests were not as accurate at the PCR tests. But early on in the pandemic, the testing demand was huge and sufficient PCR capacity simply didn't exist. So they ended up going to the mass market with the best alternative they had. The rapid tests worked to a reasonable extent, particularly if repeated as recommended, just not as well as the other kind. As cited two posts above: "Alternatively, if RT-PCR tests are not available or accessible, clinicians and patients should follow FDA's [Food and Drug Administration's] serial antigen testing recommendations to help optimize diagnostic test performance," they added.

Yep, clearly exposed: Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives A Commonwealth Fund study estimates that, through November 2022, COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths and saved the country $1.15 trillion. [emphasis added] https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/report-covid-19-vaccines-saved-us-115-trillion-3-million-lives Right here for everyone to see.

Obviously you've got your opinion, but apparently, nothing credible to back it up that you're willing to present here.

COVID-19 hospitalizations hit record low, the CDC says There were 5,615 COVID hospitalizations in the most recent week data available. Weekly COVID-19 hospitalizations have hit their lowest level ever reported since the pandemic began, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There were 5,615 COVID hospitalizations in the most recent week data that is available. In comparison, there were over 150,000 weekly admissions at the peak of the Omicron variant circulating in early 2022. "The significant decline in COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths to these new lows is encouraging, showing that our public health measures and vaccination efforts have paid off," said Dr. John Brownstein, chief innovation officer at Boston Children’s Hospital and an ABC News medical contributor. (more) https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-hospitalizations-hit-record-low-cdc/story?id=109793784 These below may be among the last official weekly U.S. COVID hospitalization reports we'll see for a while: Odd convergence: 5,000+ current COVID hospitalizations in the U.S., and 5,000+ new COVID hospitalizations for the most recent week: CDC source: The key looming question is will the recent declines be sustained, or be just a temporary seasonal reprieve. Last spring 2023, U.S. COVID hospitalizations (as shown in the charts above) declined markedly into the spring-summer, and then rose markedly again at the end of 2023 and into early 2024. The question is will the same seasonal pattern repeat itself again toward the end of 2024 and into 2025, or the U.S. will get a real sustained COVID reprieve? The year-end 2023 spike had a somewhat lower peak than the year-end 2022 spike, which was a good sign, but weekly new COVID hospitalizations still peaked at more than 30,000 per week just a few months ago.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/05/02/2024-07567/medicare-and-medicaid-programs-and-the-childrens-health-insurance-program-hospital-inpatient A Proposed Rule by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services on 05/02/2024 This document has a comment period that ends in 38 days. (06/10/2024) p. Conditions of Participation Requirements for Hospitals and Critical Access Hospitals To Report Acute Respiratory Illnesses "In section X.F. of the preamble of this proposed rule, we are proposing to update the hospital and CAH infection prevention and control and antibiotic stewardship programs conditions of participation (CoPs) to extend a limited subset of the current COVID-19 and influenza data reporting requirements. These proposed reporting requirements ensure that hospitals and CAHs have appropriate insight related to evolving infection control needs. Specifically, CMS is proposing to replace the COVID-19 and Seasonal Influenza reporting standards for hospitals and CAHs with a new standard addressing acute respiratory illnesses to require that, beginning on October 1, 2024, hospitals and CAHs would have to electronically report information about COVID-19, influenza, and RSV. CMS is proposing that outside of a public health emergency (PHE), hospitals and CAHs would have to report these data on a weekly basis."

As addressed in the above chart, here's what happens when people skip important vaccinations, whether due to increased anti-vaxerism or other causes: Global measles cases nearly doubled in a year There were more than 320,000 cases of measles worldwide in 2023, an 88% increase over 2022 May 02, 2024 The number of global measles cases nearly doubled in 1 year after a decline in vaccine coverage during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to experts. Experts presented data at the ESCMID Global Congress showing an 88% increase in global measles cases from 2022 to 2023 and a tripling of the number of countries experiencing a large or disruptive measles outbreak. In the United States, nearly one-third of all measles cases since 2020 have been reported in 2024, CDC researchers reported last month. Measles vaccine coverage in the U.S. has remained below 95% — the rate widely considered necessary to prevent outbreaks — for the last 3 years at roughly 93%. https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20240502/global-measles-cases-nearly-doubled-in-a-year The U.S. previously declared that it had eradicated endemic transmission of measles, but now risks losing that status, as the above article recounts. The UK appears in a similar situation. The U.K. lost its measles elimination status in 2019, then regained it in 2021. However, since October 2023, there have been 1,294 measles cases in England, according to the above article.

More bad news for Trumpers: DJT Stock Falls. SEC Charges Trump Media Auditing Firm With ‘Massive Fraud.’ Trump Media & Technology Group shares were falling Friday after the Securities and Exchange Commission charged the company’s auditing firm with “massive fraud.” The regulator has charged BF Borgers CPA and its owner Benjamin Borgers “with deliberate and systemic failures to comply with Public Company Accounting Oversight Board standards in its audits and reviews incorporated in more than 1,500 SEC filings from January 2021 through June 2023,” according to a filing. To settle the chargers, BF Borgers and Benjamin Borgers have agreed to pay civil penalties of $12 million and $2 million, respectively. Both also have agreed to permanent suspensions from appearing and practicing before the SEC as accountants, effective immediately. ... Trump Media stock was tumbling 5.2% to $46.15. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/djt-stock-falls-sec-charges-trump-media-auditing-firm-with-massive-fraud/ar-AA1o5xV8 Is anyone surprised?

Yes, let's follow the money: Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives A Commonwealth Fund study estimates that, through November 2022, COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths and saved the country $1.15 trillion. [emphasis added] The modeling study estimated hospitalizations and deaths averted through the end of November 2022, at a time when 80% of the US population had received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine. ... "Without vaccination the U.S. would have experienced 1.5 times more infections, 3.8 times more hospitalizations, and 4.1 times more deaths," the authors wrote. "These losses would have been accompanied by more than $1 trillion in additional medical costs that were averted because of fewer infections, hospitalizations, and deaths." https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/report-covid-19-vaccines-saved-us-115-trillion-3-million-lives

And do you have some credible source of information about the WHO that provides any actual, factual, real-world basis for your lack of trust?

Lots of people around the world are continuing to receive COVID vaccinations, especially in the higher risk groups. For example: Latest update from the US CDC says 41+% of adults age 65 and above (the highest risk population) have received the updated monovalent XBB vaccine for fall 2023-spring 2024. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data-research/dashboard/vaccination-trends-children.html Last November in the UK, the NHS reported 11.4 million COVID vaccinations had administered in England since the start of the autumn 2023 campaign, including with 61.5 percent of people aged 65 and over having received a COVID jab. Then in December, NHS reported that an estimated 81.4% of all care home residents, and 89.5% of all eligible care home residents, have been vaccinated with an autumn booster. The spring 2024 COVID vaccinations campaign in the UK just recently got underway. 1.3 million COVID vaccinations for targeted older and at-risk groups in the past two weeks: Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/ With the latest update above, NHS also reported that the UK's cumulative number of COVID vaccinations since the start of the pandemic now stands at 162.5 million. And no, the UK isn't using the AZ vaccine anymore.

What the COVID vaccines could accomplish was mostly correctly reported by scientists and most public health agencies at various points during the pandemic (excluding some invariable politician overstatements and occasional mis-speaks by others). But as the COVID variants evolved/changed thru the years, so did the performance of the vaccines against those variants (which eventually become more vaccine resistant/evasive), and thus so did the statements about the effectiveness of the vaccines. There's nothing new about that, as Yale Medicine recounts below: "COVID-19 is now in its fifth year, and the subvariants of the Omicron strain, which first emerged in 2021, continue to drive infections in the United States. The good news is that vaccines are still expected to be effective at preventing severe disease, hospitalization, and death from COVID. " ... In December 2020, Pfizer-BioNTech’s Phase 3 clinical data for its original vaccine showed 95% efficacy for preventing symptomatic COVID. Later data on real-world effectiveness for adults showed that the protection from the mRNA two-dose primary series waned over time, suggesting that updated vaccines would be needed to bring the immune system back to robust levels. ... Moderna’s initial Phase 3 clinical data in December 2020 was similar to Pfizer-BioNTech’s—both vaccines showed about 95% efficacy for prevention of COVID. Later data on real-world effectiveness for adults showed that the protection from the mRNA two-dose primary series wanes over time, but booster doses brought the immune system back to robust levels. https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison What anti-vaxers (probably deliberately) refuse to recognize is that COVID and its variants didn't stay static over the past 4+ years, thus nor did the corresponding advice and statements made by public health officials at varying points in time. Things were constantly evolving, just as the vaccines were produced in updated versions to try to keep up with the newer COVID variants. And throughout that entire time, the facts and realities of 2020 weren't at all the same as those from 2021, 2022, 2023, etc.

What benefit did it provide us? Covid vaccines saved more than 400,000 lives in England and Scotland, WHO says https://inews.co.uk/news/science/covid-vaccines-saved-lives-england-scotland-who-2862550 Covid-19: Vaccines have saved at least 1.4 million lives in Europe, WHO reports https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q125 COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

High-risk patients with COVID symptoms should use PCR rather than rapid tests, study suggests Study findings that reveal a sensitivity of 47% for COVID-19 rapid antigen tests (RATs) compared with reverse-transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) tests during Omicron variant predominance should prompt clinicians to consider using the latter test in high-risk patients eligible for antiviral drugs, the authors say. ... "Clinicians should be aware of the lower sensitivity of antigen testing compared with RT-PCR, which might lead to false-negative results," the authors wrote. "This finding has implications for timely initiation of SARS-CoV-2 antiviral treatment, when early diagnosis is essential; clinicians should consider RT-PCR for persons for whom antiviral treatment is recommended. "Alternatively, if RT-PCR tests are not available or accessible, clinicians and patients should follow FDA's [Food and Drug Administration's] serial antigen testing recommendations to help optimize diagnostic test performance," they added. (more) https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/high-risk-patients-covid-symptoms-should-use-pcr-rather-rapid-tests-study-suggests

The World Health Organization (WHO) Technical Advisory Group on COVID-19 Vaccine Composition, which meets about every 6 months to assess if any changes are needed, has recommended that the next COVID vaccine formulations use a monovalent (single-strain) JN.1 lineage. ... In a statement, the experts note that the XBB lineage has been displaced by JN.1 and said that, over the short-term, circulating variants will likely be derived from JN.1. ... They urged countries to continue to use any COVID vaccines that are emergency listed or prequalified by the WHO and emphasized that COVID vaccination shouldn't be delayed while waiting for updated versions. FDA to consider strain recommendations in mid May The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) will meet on May 16 to discuss and make strain-selection recommendations for 2024-25 COVID vaccines. (more) https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/who-covid-vaccine-advisers-recommend-switch-jn1-strain

COVID-19 vaccine acceptance and hesitancy, October 2023 COVID-19 vaccine acceptance was defined as having received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy was defined as not having received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. New 23-country study in Nature Medicine. Responses from 23,000 people point to need for more locally relevant communication strategies to increase vaccine confidence While it found that global uptake of at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose was robust, a new survey published in Nature Medicine revealed mixed signals about the current acceptance of vaccines generally, especially COVID-19 boosters. The new survey of 23,000 respondents from 23 countries representing more than 60% of the world’s population is the fourth in series of studies led annually since 2020 by a team from the City University of New York Graduate School of Public Health and Health Policy (CUNY SPH). ... Reported global uptake of at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose rose last year to 87.8%, as compared to 36.9% in 2021 and 70.4% in 2022. However, the intent to get a COVID-19 booster (71.6%) was lower compared to 2022 (87.9%). “The SARS-CoV-2 virus continues to circulate and mutate,” says Ayman El-Mohandes, senior author and dean of CUNY SPH. “Variant-adapted boosters are available, but public health statistics show that many older people and others who are at higher risk of severe disease and death have not accepted them.” In addition, documented spillover effects on routine immunization raise the threat of the reemergence of other childhood and adult vaccine-preventable diseases. While just more than three respondents in five (60.8%) said that their experience with COVID-19 made them more willing to get vaccinated against other diseases other than COVID-19, almost a quarter (23.1%) reported greater reluctance to do so. (more) https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1042859 Influence of COVID-19 on trust in routine immunization, health information sources and pandemic preparedness in 23 countries in 2023 Vaccine hesitancy5, pandemic fatigue6 and vaccine fatigue, defined as the ‘inertia or inaction toward vaccine information or instruction due to perceived burden and burnout’7, continue to present challenges to vaccine uptake in 2023. Although COVID-19 has been deprioritized as a substantial public health threat since 2023, the virus strains continue to circulate and, in some settings, lead to new increases in hospitalization and intensive care unit admission1. The potential impact of vaccine hesitancy on confidence in booster doses remains substantial8. In addition, documented spillover effects on routine immunization pose a threat for the reemergence of some childhood and adult vaccine-preventable diseases9,10. “I am more willing to get vaccinated against other disease (e g, flu, measles,viral hepatitis B)” COVID-19 vaccine booster acceptance among those vaccinated decreased from 87.9% in 2022 to 71.6% in 2023 (P < 0.001) (Fig. 1b). This decrease was most profound in HICs [high income countries] (from 85.1% to 63.3%, P < 0.001), compared with MICs [middle income countries] (from 90.5% to 78.9%, P = 0.010). https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-02939-2

The same research team at the Univ. of Minnesota in the U.S. has done a series of published studies on the effects of metformin against COVID: Study: Using a diabetes medication after testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 reduces risk of developing long COVID by 40% June 8, 2023 Taking a two-week course of metformin, a safe and affordable diabetes medication after testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 leads to 40% fewer long COVID diagnoses over the following 10 months, compared to individuals taking a placebo, finds a new study published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases journal. The long-term symptoms some people experience after SARS-CoV-2 infection, known as long COVID, are an emerging chronic illness potentially affecting millions of people around the world. ... This is the first phase 3 randomized controlled trial of a treatment for patients in the community that shows a medication can reduce the risk of long COVID when taken after testing positive for SARS-CoV-2. ... Metformin prevented over 40% of cases of long COVID in the trial with 6.3% (35/564) of participants given metformin reporting a long COVID diagnosis within 10 months of follow up, compared to 10.4% (58/562) of those receiving an identical placebo. (more) https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-06-diabetes-medication-positive-sars-cov-covid.html

Study finds metformin reduces COVID-19 viral load, viral rebound May 2, 2024 A team of University of Minnesota researchers found that metformin, a drug commonly used to treat diabetes, can decrease the amount of COVID-19 virus in the body and lower the chances of the virus coming back strongly after initial treatment. The study was published in Clinical Infectious Diseases. ... "The results of the study are important because COVID-19 continues to cause illness, both during acute infection and for months after infection," said Carolyn Bramante, MD, principal investigator and an assistant professor at the U of M Medical School. She is also an internist and pediatrician with M Health Fairview. ... In this phase 3 randomized clinical trial, the researchers tested metformin against a placebo in 1,323 adults infected with COVID-19. The group treated with metformin had a viral load that was about four times lower than the placebo at day 10. The metformin group also had less viral rebound than the placebo group. (more) https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-05-metformin-covid-viral-rebound.html

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That was the above referenced Thai-PAN organization.. And yes, they found that most of the Thailand-based organic certifications had little meaning-value... But, the international and USDA organic certifications fared much better. Their testing also found that produce labeled here as hydroponic also continued to have pesticide residues, despite the public perception/expectation that it wouldn't.

Pesticide use in Thailand: Current situation, health risks, and gaps in research and policy Published online 2020 Aug 27 ... Thailand continues to increase its annual import of pesticides. Commonly imported insecticide classes included organophosphate (OP; e.g., chlorpyrifos), carbamate (e.g., fenobucarb, methomyl), and pyrethroid (e.g., cypermethrin, deltamethrin). The most commonly imported herbicides were paraquat, glyphosate, 2,4-D, ametryn, and atrazine. The most commonly imported fungicides were dithiocarbamate, mancozeb, carbendazim, and captan (Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives, 2020). The import trends of these 3 major types of pesticides from 2008–2019, as well as the total value of these imports are shown in Figure 1. ... Despite Thai governmental legislation to control pesticide use, many farmers continue to use banned pesticides, apply higher concentrations than recommended, and do not use adequate personal protective equipment (PPE) (Rivera et al. 2016). Their decisions regarding pesticide use are often based on information given by retailers, other farmers, agricultural extension service agents and even the pesticide companies themselves (Tawatsin et al. 2015). Due to lack of knowledge, availability and affordability or discomfort in the equatorial climate, studies have shown that few farmers use proper PPE when applying pesticides (Kongtip et al. 2018; 2019). ... More widespread and routine testing of agricultural food products is also needed. Ideally, this would be conducted by government bodies, but currently that function falls between the Ministry of Public Health and Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives, neither of which has a robust system in place for testing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8291370/

NGO taking the government to court over food pesticides 26 November 2017 More than 60 per cent of five popular vegetables sold in local markets contain excessive levels of harmful chemical residue, according to a testing by the Thailand Pesticide Alert Network (Thai-PAN), a non-governmental organisation working on food safety. About 64 per cent of khana (Chinese kale), tua fak yao (long beans), prik daeng (red chili), bai kaprao (basil leaves) and kalam pree (cabbage) samples contained chemical residue above maximum residue levels (MRL) limit, said Thai-PAN coordinator Prokchol Ousap at a press conference on Friday. ... Tests also found herbicide residue in as much as 55 per cent of the 76 vegetable and fruit samples, she said. Herbicides detected included paraquat, which was detected in 38 samples, glyphosate in six and atrazine in four (multiple substances were found contaminating some samples). https://thethaiger.com/news/ngo-taking-government-court-food-pesticides

Almost all tangerines, oranges in Thai supermarkets unsafe, survey shows FRIDAY, MARCH 11, 2022 A recent survey conducted by two consumer groups and a magazine learned that most citrus fruits and orange juices on supermarket shelves have unsafe levels of pesticide residue. The survey was conducted by the Thailand Consumer Council, the Thailand Pesticide Alert Network (Thai-PAN) and the Smart Buy magazine from January 3 to 30. The group collected samples of 60 tangerines and oranges and 10 types of orange juice from wholesale markets, department stores, convenience stores and online stores. (more) https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40013288

"According to him, organophosphate and carbamates insecticides, herbicides, fungicides and pesticides send some 5,000 people on average to hospitals each year. Their treatment costs about Bt22 million annually." "From October 1 last year to July this year, such dangerous farm chemicals directly harmed the health of at least 4,000 people, 520 of whom died. “When we look into the details, Health Zone 1 has had the highest number of such cases,” Sakchai said."

There is/was a private group here in Thailand called the Thailand Pesticide Action Network (Thai-PAN) that used to do semi-regular independent pesticide testing on various fruits and vegetables sold here, both domestically produced and imported. Their testing was done by an independent lab in the UK. The results were not good, though certain types of fruits and veggies had consistently higher levels of pesticide residues, while other types were much less problematic. https://thaipan-org.translate.goog/data/2333?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en Comparing toxic residues in fruits and vegetables, imported salads and those produced domestically, they are equally poor. Posted on January 19, 2021 last month Thai Pan recently published the results of a large-scale surveillance of pesticide residues in fruits and vegetables. A total of 509 samples of fruits and vegetables were randomly examined from all over the country. ... All samples were sent for testing at a laboratory in the United Kingdom. which can measure results covering insecticides and fungi (excluding herbicides) of more than 500 types and certified to international standards (ISO17025). The results showed that pesticide residues in fruits and vegetables exceeded the standard by 58.7%. ... Classified according to the source of vegetables and fruits, it was found that Imported and domestically produced fruits and vegetables are equally at risk. Residues exceeding standards were found in 54.01% of fruits and vegetables produced within the country, out of a total of 274 samples of vegetables sent for inspection. Residues exceeding standards were found in 56.1% of fruits and vegetables imported from abroad, out of the number of samples known to be imported." Also (links require Google Translate in your browser): https://thaipan-org.translate.goog/action/2302?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en https://thaipan-org.translate.goog/highlights/2283?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en https://thaipan-org.translate.goog/action/1107?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en "Thaipan also found that the most persistent pesticide residues are The fungicide carbendazim has been banned for use in the United States for more than a decade. Because it affects the reproductive system But residues were found in 57 samples of fruits and vegetables, followed by cypermethrin. Imidacchlorfrid Azoxystrobin and chlorpyrifos, a toxic substance that affects children's brain development, were found in 54, 41, 39, and 38 samples, respectively. In addition, there were 8 samples of toxic pesticides that have been discontinued, such as methamidophos, and 9 samples of toxic substances that have not yet been allowed to be registered, such as carbofuran. 10 examples and substances which are not on the list of hazardous substances 2013, up to 9 types such as Boscalid, Ethirimol, Fenhexamid, Fluxapyroxad, Isopyrazam, Metrafenone, Proquinazid, Pyrimethanil, Quinoxyfen, all of these 3 groups of substances are illegal and It is the responsibility of the Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives to allow its use. and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that leaves residue"

The thread here, from top to bottom, is about the UK and its experience with the AZ vaccine... Study shows risk of blood clots is far greater from coronavirus than the vaccine A study by the University of Oxford shows that having Covid-19 puts you at a much higher risk of developing dangerous blood clots than the AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccines. ... The study, based on the health records of 29.1 million people in England, suggests while there is a slightly increased risk of developing low platelet levels and blood clots in the veins after a first dose of AstraZeneca, being infected with the virus raises this risk much more, and for longer. The researchers estimate that for every 10 million people who are vaccinated with AstraZeneca, there are 66 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and seven extra cases of a rare type of blood clot in the brain. Infection with Covid-19 is estimated to cause 12,614 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and 20 cases of rare blood clots in the brain. https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine Risk of thrombocytopenia and thromboembolism after covid-19 vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 positive testing: self-controlled case series study BMJ 2021; 374 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n1931 (Published 27 August 2021) Conclusion Increased risks of haematological and vascular events that led to hospital admission or death were observed for short time intervals after first doses of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and BNT162b2 mRNA vaccines. The risks of most of these events were substantially higher and more prolonged after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after vaccination in the same population. https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931 But don't expect some of the anti-vax leaning UK news reports to acknowledge that fact.