kenny999

So, lets say we follow what we are trained at and our consiousness, and stop to assist, how to avoid to get blamed?

My advice would be, never even consider it if you are alone in your vehicle

Photo scene before leaving your vehicle

Stop and park your vehicle before accident scene and photo again including your vehicles position.

Call local cops 191 and/or HWP 1193 depending on what kind of road.

approach scene and try to find out if ambulance has been called. If victims have Insurance try to redirect to Bangkok Hospital Ambulance as it reduces the risk for victim.

Looking for more risk?

First aid. Shock is not uncommon, so talking in victims assumed language, yeah Im not good at Russian.

and again, Thai law needs 2 witnesses against you and you are done, so never stop without having your own witness

Never heard such rubbish in all my life!! we are waiting for real experiences and not what you think might happen, except the fact that even though you have your little toy ID you still would not stop to help someone in need, so many posts and no evidence to back up what you are saying, am I worried about stopping absolutely not!! it is this simple if you are scared and have no conscience drive on by, let someone with a conscience who is not scared do the right thing!!

So, lets say we follow what we are trained at and our consiousness, and stop to assist, how to avoid to get blamed?

My advice would be, never even consider it if you are alone in your vehicle

Photo scene before leaving your vehicle

Stop and park your vehicle before accident scene and photo again including your vehicles position.

Call local cops 191 and/or HWP 1193 depending on what kind of road.

approach scene and try to find out if ambulance has been called. If victims have Insurance try to redirect to Bangkok Hospital Ambulance as it reduces the risk for victim.

Looking for more risk?

First aid. Shock is not uncommon, so talking in victims assumed language, yeah Im not good at Russian.

and again, Thai law needs 2 witnesses against you and you are done, so never stop without having your own witness

Thanks.

Sorry but a few posters are very scared, my gf is a decent person just like me, we both want to do what is right, and we will continue to do what is right without fear, never had a problem here and do not expect a problem any time in the future, you all do what you think is right up to you!! enjoy your life as I do!! I have considered and thought about everyones posts, we will continue you to help someone who has an accident directly in front of us because it is the right thing to do, get over your paranoia people and be considerate!!

I think thread now closed!!

Okay I am an honest person, I have just explained your post to my gf she says if no one there we can stop to ask "you okay can we call someone for you etc" if someone there we not stop, although I disagree with the drive on by attitude we are as other posters have said in a different country and vastly different from where we come from, so in future I will be mostly driving on by!! if I am being honest, I am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination so yes I now agree it is best to drive past mainly because I can not be sure that what other posters say about being blamed and ending up in deep trouble is not true!!

In future I will asses the situation before deciding to stop!!

Okay I am an honest person, I have just explained your post to my gf she says if no one there we can stop to ask "you okay can we call someone for you etc" if someone there we not stop, although I disagree with the drive on by attitude we are as other posters have said in a different country and vastly different from where we come from, so in future I will be mostly driving on by!! if I am being honest, I am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination so yes I now agree it is best to drive past mainly because I can not be sure that what other posters say about being blamed and ending up in deep trouble is not true!!

Yes kenny999, it is a sad state of affairs, I never said it wasn't, but, I will not risk the opportunity of being held to ransom for a kindness.

I agree with you KB and KBB. I will only stop if I am involved. On all three of those occasions, I was rear ended. So they were not my fault. And even my wife has told me not to stop at any accident I might see. Kenny, ask your wife if she really thinks you should stop when you aren't involved.

I have just asked the question to my Thai gf, her answer, yes we should stop to help them,to ask them what they want, how are they, can I help you, do you want us to call hospital or the Police, we stop because we are good people my gf's words not mine!!

I guess that makes my gf a good decent Thai women and maybe other's not so good and decent!!

But you stopped alone, not with her, correct? Does she say that is a good idea?

Yes she simply said "good man"

I am not scared to stop and I am not intimidated by all these so called stories of mobs appearing from no where demanding money, tell me, where was the mob the other day when I stopped? 3 Thai's who helped disappeared, 1 Thai that remained just smiled(maybe he could not believe someone stopped to help.

No point going on and on some people have backbone and do what is needed and right others slink away scared of shadows!!

Just out of interest I will ask our friend who is a Sergent Major(Chalong Police, his opinion of stopping at an accident that happens in front of you and you are the first there!

I will post his answer.

Kenny999 i,i cant beleive you,you just go on and on and on,when posters have been honest with you,and all you do is dont listen and go on about how good you and yoru g f are.. im bored,im going to bed..no more ..listening to this topic..orr posting...yawn.

You are bored because you don't have the backbone to do what is right, full stop!! I am not good I am simply a person who does what is right, again I am not scared of these fictitious so called mobs that demand money!! I have never seen this and it has never happened to me and I will continue to do what is right, if other people are scared which forces them to run away from someone who needs help good for them!!

Yes kenny999, it is a sad state of affairs, I never said it wasn't, but, I will not risk the opportunity of being held to ransom for a kindness.

I agree with you KB and KBB. I will only stop if I am involved. On all three of those occasions, I was rear ended. So they were not my fault. And even my wife has told me not to stop at any accident I might see. Kenny, ask your wife if she really thinks you should stop when you aren't involved.

I have just asked the question to my Thai gf, her answer, yes we should stop to help them,to ask them what they want, how are they, can I help you, do you want us to call hospital or the Police, we stop because we are good people my gf's words not mine!!

I guess that makes my gf a good decent Thai women and maybe other's not so good and decent!!

Seems it isn't just me or KBB. Check this article:-

http://phuket-post.c...-to-walk-on-by/

Okay I have read the article and you must agree it is very sad that we must act in this way, I have only seen the one accident as I described it was not serious and helping was no problem, maybe you are right about getting involved in something more serious especially if the cause of the accident has done a runner!!

I do agree Serious incidents should be avoided, the minor ones you can do your good deed of the day!! not a good state of affairs but thats life I guess!

All I can say is very sad!! I am also trained in first aid, first aid is exactly what it says first aid, if your conscience will allow you to drive past an accident that happens directly in front of you then it is again very sad, absoulute rubbish about being blamed for an accident that is not your fault and again multiple witnesses saying so again what rubbish!!!

it's this simple if you did not cause the accident and you help you have nothing to fear and I will continue to stop should I see an accident directly in front of me it's the moral thing to do, I will not be blamed and witnesses will not say it was my fault, people appreciate the help no matter who you are, you seem to think Thai's are very nasty, my experiences say different!!!

I'll leave the moral high ground to you kenny999 as you so desperately want it.

If you think that KBB and myself are lying about people getting stitched up, just come out and say it.

In my opinion I think you are wrong!! I desperately want the moral high ground are you serious!! it's about doing what is right!!

Kenny..do what you think is righ,thats up to you..and i and everyone else shoul do the same,i know what i would do,after reading the sensible posts by some of the senior members on the forum.. ...NOTHING..drive on then if you want to be good SAMARITAN..DIAL EMERGENCY..,I think thats good Advice..END

I think it is right to stop if you are the first there, if anyone rides past they are not good people, good Samaritan rubbish!! it's about doing the right thing!!

Had a kid run his Fino into my brand new Accord in 2008, in Hua Hin. He was jumping lanes and hit my left front fender. 5-6 motocytaxis swore to the arriving cop I had run into him. At the Policestation finally kid admitted it was his fault as he had changed lane before being in front of me. Had the kid been dishonest, I would have had to pay for my cars and his bikes damage, as he had witnesses. As he was honest, I couraged him to leave, so my Insurance wouldnt harge him to repair my car. Witnesses could have won.

You make it sound like it's more likely to happen than not. Yet in your vast driving experience all over Thailand, the best example you can give is an incident where you were actually involved in the accident NOT just a witness. On top of the that the person was honest and told the truth! It's a bit different from the 'being beaten to death and having all your money fleeced by an angry mob that people are saying happens every day.

Normally you are one of the ones telling it how it is on this forum KBB, but I think you've got the law of averages wrong on this one. The chance of you actually ending up paying for an accident you turned up to after it had happened are almost non existent. As far as I can see nobody here has any personal experience or any real accounts of this happening to share with us, so for me it goes in to the scare mongering gossip pile with all the rest.

P.S I wasn't accusing you of being a do gooder Kenny. I was just saying in general that there is no need to get involved if there are rakes of people there already. If you were first on the scene then good on you for stopping.

That is what I am saying if there are people there already no need to stop, if I am directly behind and obviously the first then yes I would stop, I could not drive past!! I have no fear of this fictitious blame or witnesses saying it is my fault again this is just rubbish!! IN MY OPINION!!

Firstly, there is no Good Samaritan law in Thailand. This means you can be liable for any harm you do inadvertently to the accident victim.

Secondly, the only assistance I can see any first aider giving is to bleeding, or, maybe phoning the emergency services. Accident victims should not be moved and they certainly should not be thrown in the back of a pick-up and taken to hospital.

I wonder how many people have been killed by people with "good intentions".

Thirdly, it is a lot more common than people think that if a foreigner stops after an accident, he will be blamed for the accident itself. There will be multiple witnesses that will say so.

I am trained in first aid and will not stop for accidents until a Good Samariten law is enacted, thus it is best to wait for professionals to arrive.

All I can say is very sad!! I am also trained in first aid, first aid is exactly what it says first aid, if your conscience will allow you to drive past an accident that happens directly in front of you then it is again very sad, absoulute rubbish about being blamed for an accident that is not your fault and again multiple witnesses saying so again what rubbish!!!

it's this simple if you did not cause the accident and you help you have nothing to fear and I will continue to stop should I see an accident directly in front of me it's the moral thing to do, I will not be blamed and witnesses will not say it was my fault, people appreciate the help no matter who you are, you seem to think Thai's are very nasty, my experiences say different!!!

I am wondering would you stop if it was someone you knew or would you ride on past because you are paranoid about being blamed for something you did not cause? I am thinking yes you would, very sad!!

Firstly, there is no Good Samaritan law in Thailand. This means you can be liable for any harm you do inadvertently to the accident victim.

Secondly, the only assistance I can see any first aider giving is to bleeding, or, maybe phoning the emergency services. Accident victims should not be moved and they certainly should not be thrown in the back of a pick-up and taken to hospital.

I wonder how many people have been killed by people with "good intentions".

Thirdly, it is a lot more common than people think that if a foreigner stops after an accident, he will be blamed for the accident itself. There will be multiple witnesses that will say so.

I am trained in first aid and will not stop for accidents until a Good Samariten law is enacted, thus it is best to wait for professionals to arrive.

All I can say is very sad!! I am also trained in first aid, first aid is exactly what it says first aid, if your conscience will allow you to drive past an accident that happens directly in front of you then it is again very sad, absoulute rubbish about being blamed for an accident that is not your fault and again multiple witnesses saying so again what rubbish!!!

it's this simple if you did not cause the accident and you help you have nothing to fear and I will continue to stop should I see an accident directly in front of me it's the moral thing to do, I will not be blamed and witnesses will not say it was my fault, people appreciate the help no matter who you are, you seem to think Thai's are very nasty, my experiences say different!!!

The day I drive past someone who needs help it is time to leave this country!!

Well said mate. I do think in this case though perhaps you were trying to help someone who maybe didn't need it. I'm not sure why you thought she would want to talk to your partner if she was already on the phone to someone? And if there are already people on the scene before you get there I would say leave them to it, otherwise you are just being a bit of a do gooder, but if you think somone will genuinly benefit from you stopping then of course you should always stop.

Are people really trying to sugest that if you stop at an accident after it has already happened, that there is any more than an extremely, extremely, (wrote that word twice on purpose) remote chance that a mob will form and try to extort money from you? I would say it would happen way less than once in every 1000 times people stopped. Even then it would probably end up sorting itself out as quickly as it started. With that probability how could we justify leaving what is probably a decent person by the side of the road in trouble?

I was on the scene first as I was directly behind when it happened, the lad was very worried and had no clue what to do so I was just trying to help him, leaving him there on his own with the girl would have been wrong of me so I advised him to go, maybe this was wrong but at the time it seemed the best thing for him to do as the girl was okay, the 3 Thai's that helped disappeared, the girl could not speak any English so I thought being able to talk to another Thai would have given her the chance to tell us what she wanted to do but she ignored all help,

As I have said before anyone that drives past an accident they have just seen happen and does not stop to at least see if anyone needs help is someone I would not like to know EVER!!

If there is an accident and people are already helping then there would be no need for me or anyone to stop!!

I am not a dogooder as you hint, If I see an accident actualy happen and I feel I can help I will stop!! if people are already helping at an accident there would be no need for me to stop!!!

• This "I won't stop with out my toy Police ID" mentality reminds me of a time waiting at Phuket airport, there was this person standing in front of maybe 6 Thai police officers practicing his saluting, wow I was impressed he must have made at least 20 salutes all the time the real police were laughing, what an absolute plum!!! god I hope they don't give these people side arms!!
  

I would not stop if I dont have my police ID with me. to risky

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I have to agree good on him for not helping(NOT, very sad in my opinion!!

Highway police, these would be the people that forced me off of the road when I refused to go on to the hard shoulder when they were in front and behind a convoy of mini-vans last year, not impreesed at all!!

I was merely impressed by his "police ID". Probably well deserved and required hard work to achive.... Sigh

Me to, I want one!! how much?

I would not stop if I dont have my police ID with me. to risky

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I have to agree good on him for not helping(NOT, very sad in my opinion!!

Highway police, these would be the people that forced me off of the road when I refused to go on to the hard shoulder when they were in front and behind a convoy of mini-vans last year, not impreesed at all!!

I was not happy in telling him to go but again he had no one Thai to talk to, he had no idea what to do,I was concerned about leaving him on his own with a girl that obviously did not want to communicate in any way, I will always stop to help even if others say don't, again she was not badly hurt so it was advisable for him to leave, if the girl had acknowledged him instead of ignoring him things would have turned out okay, she would have got compensation etc in hind site I should have got my gf to call our friend who is a Sergent Major in Chalong police station but to late now!!

out of jurisdiction, Dowroong is Phuket City Police

and my advice would be to not stop at accident scenes, you easily have 10 witnesses stating you are at fault, even arriving 3 minutes after impact. Highwaypolice recruit hundreds of volunteers each year to handle this. I would not stop if I dont have my police ID with me. to risky

Advice taken on board, in this instance there were no witnesses as they all disappeared. I was on my way back from Doowrong and almost at the turning to Tiger Mai Thai.

I have to say I will never drive past anyone that needs help, and I do not believe all this "you will get the blame rubbish" anyone that can drive past someone that needs help is just down right not good, talked to my Thai gf and she say "yes help if not your fault no problem" I could not live with my guilty conscience if I just drove on by!!

I have had an accident here and all the Thai's around could not do enough to help us, the Police Captain was fantastic towards me so no I do not believe all this "don't stop keep going" I have high morals maybe some of you don't up to you!!

The day I drive past someone who needs help it is time to leave this country!!

I was not happy in telling him to go but again he had no one Thai to talk to, he had no idea what to do,I was concerned about leaving him on his own with a girl that obviously did not want to communicate in any way, I will always stop to help even if others say don't, again she was not badly hurt so it was advisable for him to leave, if the girl had acknowledged him instead of ignoring him things would have turned out okay, she would have got compensation etc in hind site I should have got my gf to call our friend who is a Sergent Major in Chalong police station but to late now!!

out of jurisdiction, Dowroong is Phuket City Police

and my advice would be to not stop at accident scenes, you easily have 10 witnesses stating you are at fault, even arriving 3 minutes after impact. Highwaypolice recruit hundreds of volunteers each year to handle this. I would not stop if I dont have my police ID with me. to risky

Advice taken on board, in this instance there were no witnesses as they all disappeared. I was on my way back from Doowrong and almost at the turning to Tiger Mai Thai.

Sorry to say this but I am totally oblivios to accidents here.I saw 3 in the space of 10 mins on my way to the airport the other day.

I did stop once many years ago and nearly got beat up by a group of Thais who appeared on the scene later thinking it was my fault and demanding money.

So now I leave it up to them.

Sadly that is sound advice. Don't stop or get involved. If the mob smells money then it's your fault and plenty of 'witnesses' will state that.

The lad had no idea what to do but great that he stopped and came back,he had no one to call who was Thai and the girl refused all help from everyone, the best thing to do was to go as she was not badly hurt just a very bruised ankle, I am assuming she was on the phone to her husband or bf, if he had stayed with no one Thai to turn to it could have been bad for him, husband or bf would have not been best pleased, we tried to help her she refused help from me and the other Thai's!! so in the circumstances I think it was good advice for him to go!!

It's a sad state of affairs when you feel you can not stop to help anyone, god forbid it's you that is involved in an accident and everyone rides on by!!

I think you acted correctly by stopping and offering help, and disagree with advice not to do so.

I do agree with KBB and others that the advice to the offender to go on his way was not a wise one though.

I was not happy in telling him to go but again he had no one Thai to talk to, he had no idea what to do,I was concerned about leaving him on his own with a girl that obviously did not want to communicate in any way, I will always stop to help even if others say don't, again she was not badly hurt so it was advisable for him to leave, if the girl had acknowledged him instead of ignoring him things would have turned out okay, she would have got compensation etc in hind site I should have got my gf to call our friend who is a Sergent Major in Chalong police station but to late now!!

It's a sad state of affairs when you feel you can not stop to help anyone, god forbid it's you that is involved in an accident and everyone rides on by!!

Yes Kenny it is a sad state of affairs in this modern world, and not just in Thailand. Plenty of people don't stop in the western world for fear of being sued. When I first arrived in Thailand I was quite shocked by advice to pass-on-by. But sadly after some experience from people who did stop, police were called, and suddenly they were at fault and money demanded. It's a sad world....

I suppose you are right and I must now think about riding on by, it's against my principles but you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself!!

Sorry to say this but I am totally oblivios to accidents here.I saw 3 in the space of 10 mins on my way to the airport the other day.

I did stop once many years ago and nearly got beat up by a group of Thais who appeared on the scene later thinking it was my fault and demanding money.

So now I leave it up to them.

Sadly that is sound advice. Don't stop or get involved. If the mob smells money then it's your fault and plenty of 'witnesses' will state that.

The lad had no idea what to do but great that he stopped and came back,he had no one to call who was Thai and the girl refused all help from everyone, the best thing to do was to go as she was not badly hurt just a very bruised ankle, I am assuming she was on the phone to her husband or bf, if he had stayed with no one Thai to turn to it could have been bad for him, husband or bf would have not been best pleased, we tried to help her she refused help from me and the other Thai's!! so in the circumstances I think it was good advice for him to go!!

It's a sad state of affairs when you feel you can not stop to help anyone, god forbid it's you that is involved in an accident and everyone rides on by!!

She might have been in some type of shock.

No she was okay and talking on the phone I assume to husband or bf, her foot was very badly bruised so I don't think shock was the problem!! tried to help, the lad did come back, I tried to give her the phone so she could talk to my Thai gf but she refused all help, she Even ignored the couple of Thai's that helped her!

Driving back from Dowroong school this morning when a young lad(English speaking maybe Indian, pulled out in front of a Thai girl hitting her and knocking her and her bike to the ground, lad stopped as did I, I helped the girl to the side of the road with a couple of other Thai's, I tried to see if the girl was okay apart from the obvious but she ignored me, I called my gf and tried to hand the phone to her she ignored this also, the lad was very sorry and just wanted to do the right thing but the girl ignored everyone, in the end I told the lad to go as there is no point in staying, I am sure if the girl had said something the lad would have given her some money to help with the doctor or hospital but she did not want to talk to anyone, oh well up to her!!

Try Safe Mode. If all ok it will start normally again next time. If not, get expert advice.

Cheers mate I tried entering safe mode, the screen turned into a mass of letters and numbers, it then goes back to a light blue screen with other options, he is going to return the comp as it is under warrenty.