kenny999

My friend the Policeman has just come to me about his computer, it will not start correctly, a black screen appears with the options:

Safe mode

Safe mode with networking

safe mode with command prompt

start windows normally

I have tried the start windows normally a few times but it just goes back to the black screen, is this something I can sort out for him with advice or is it a shop job.

Wallaby and chucked take this advice!!!! leave now he has nothing without us!!

Why didn't you make three consecutive posts at that time claiming it was off-topic rather than all those posts supposedly finding fault with what Norman was saying?

I was just being a nice guy and explained why the statement is wrong. Here's a link to the post:

"Greg Norman is great player, but even he needs to learn the difference between where you strike the ball and your perception of the steepness in your swing. Two completely different things.

It is more or less impossible to hit the top quadrant of the golf ball and despite Greg Normans playing ability - even he cant hit the top quadrant with a wedge."

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4699676

Thank you for pointing that out, since it is the first mention of top quadrant hitting WITH A WEDGE, and you made it.

Norman never made the claim. You are the one that brought it up in the first place.

Correct. Kenny555:s original question was "How do these pro's manage to spin the ball back so far, is it: the ball? is it the hardness of the green? or is it how they hit the ball, do these players have different grooves on their clubs" Here's a link to that post:

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4696372

I was kind enough to provide a perfectly accurate description of the parameters that are important to be aware of if you want to spin the ball "far". I am presuming kenny555 meant with his shorter irons or wedges. If you read the article you'll find that Norman himself says "the shot should not be a long one. Since you need a fair amount of loft, don't try this shot with any club longer than a 7-iron." Here's a link to the article:

http://www.shark.com...ction/tip12.php

Just to give you an idea of the physics and mechanics involved, a modern 7-iron has about 35 degrees of loft. http://www.titleist....s/irons/MB.aspx In order to hit the top back quadrant of the ball, you are required to hit the ball with a -1 degree effective loft. To achieve this you need to de-loft your 7-iron 36 degrees. THIRTY SIX! In order to do that would have to hit the ball when your hands are roughly 55cm ahead of the ball. I'm sure you are beginning to see how ridiculous this statement is. And trust me, you are not going to create the spin required to suck a ball back. Not at all. As I have described in detail, it is friction that creates spin. and a ball struck at this angle is not going to create any friction at all. Here's the link:

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4700038

Who is kenny555?? I don't have a brother do I? this is all balls!!!

Seriously it is now time to agree to disagree!! when posters start to use abuse(or should I say poster, it is no longer a debate!! I hope by starting this thread I may have met a couple of future great golfing companions even if it is only for the one game.

If that was your intention I do have to say you have a funny way making acquaintances.

You are a funny guy forethat(I don't mean funny ha ha, trying to provoke at every opportunity, sorry to disappoint you it will not work with me, people make acquaintances in all sorts of different places are you unaware of this? my friend met his wife via an Internet dating site a lovelier girl you could not hope to find, do you find this a funny way of meeting a girl? so you think I came on here purely to meet other golfers er yes that is what the INTERNET is for or don't you realize this either, but in this case my intention was as per the thread title, you know what that is of course, it's great that 2 possible golf partners have materialized, funny how things you don't expect happen!!

Hope you have now realized it is best to agree to disagree otherwise there will be no end to it..

Please keep to the topic, will you.

ha ha who started the thread was it you? funny how you do not comment on a post that shows you to be foolish, anyway enough for me have fun chatting to yourself it has been a great 17 pages.

Seriously it is now time to agree to disagree!! when posters start to use abuse(or should I say poster, it is no longer a debate!! I hope by starting this thread I may have met a couple of future great golfing companions even if it is only for the one game.

If that was your intention I do have to say you have a funny way making acquaintances.

You are a funny guy forethat(I don't mean funny ha ha, trying to provoke at every opportunity, sorry to disappoint you it will not work with me, people make acquaintances in all sorts of different places are you unaware of this? my friend met his wife via an Internet dating site a lovelier girl you could not hope to find, do you find this a funny way of meeting a girl? so you think I came on here purely to meet other golfers er yes that is what the INTERNET is for or don't you realize this either, but in this case my intention was as per the thread title, you know what that is of course, it's great that 2 possible golf partners have materialized, funny how things you don't expect happen!!

Hope you have now realized it is best to agree to disagree otherwise there will be no end to it..

Forethat on the other hand would be a nightmare to play with. Everyone would be afraid to say that the grass is green just in case he finds a brown patch and spends the next 4 hours berating you for making such a stupid statement. That is something I would rather avoid like the plague.

Self awareness is not your best topic is it...?

Check the history of this thread and count how many times you have opposed my initial statements on a topic. You're exactly the person you describe, if you ask me.

Seriously it is now time to agree to disagree!! when posters start to use abuse(or should I say poster, it is no longer a debate!! I hope by starting this thread I may have met a couple of future great golfing companions even if it is only for the one game.

I have had many disagreements with Chuckd on this site, we don't see eye to eye on some issues and sometimes I've got frustrated and been over the top. My bad.

He has also pulled me up a couple of times on things I have misinterpreted or not seen the bigger picture. He should do that, my ego isn't that big that I have to be right about every issue.

Then there is Kenny who must really be regretting asking what balls he should use. An honest question and yet he has been treated with disdain for asking and commenting on his own thread.

Both of them may not agree with my political/religious/golfing views but that doesn't matter to me. I get the feeling both would be top guys to have a round and a laugh and a few beers with. They don't have to act impeccably on the course with me either, just know the basic etiquette of the game and enjoy the company for what it is. But I would play with them at the drop of a hat.

Forethat on the other hand would be a nightmare to play with. Everyone would be afraid to say that the grass is green just in case he finds a brown patch and spends the next 4 hours berating you for making such a stupid statement. That is something I would rather avoid like the plague.

Kenny, go to your local club etc and see if you can pick up a couple of used pro v's. Unfortunately I don't get free balls to offer you (then not send). Though if we do get a game together I'll buy you a couple.

I've had enough of this thread now (thanks Kenny)

Keep enjoying the golf and hope to catch up on other threads. Cheers.

My etiquette is impeccable on the course, I now play Titleist NXT tour until I lose them all of course, I am a big boy and no one is capable of putting me down as it just goes over my head, forums are about debate and dare I say it fun, I have only ever posted opinions on here because I am not qualified to do otherwise, I am not a coach as I am not qualified(I do have opinions about it though, I help friends who ask for help as that is what a friend does!!

Hope to have a game with you both one day.

I have had a very good friend for years that reminds me of Forethat.

He had every book ever written on the game, read all the golf magazines religiously, watched all the videos and tournaments on TV and considered himself an expert on all things golf related.

Unfortunately, he never was able to carry all that knowledge onto the course itself and was frustrated by his game. He claimed to know everything but, sadly, did not have the motor skills to accomplish his goals.

What is he doing now?

He has largely retired from the game and is reduced to following golf forums, trying to critique anonymous people on their imaginary golf swings. He, too, makes vacuous comments regarding his personal game, largely because they all occur in his imagination.

This seems to be a case of deja vu all over again.

I'm sure you're a good player, you've made sure to tell the entire forum plenty of times.

Personally, my thinking is that the bullshitter is the one who cant but tell everybody how good he his. One wonders what the he** that has to do with it..?

So far you haven't managed to post anything correct ONCE. First you claimed that Greg Norman was correct when he said he could actually hit the top quadrant of a golf ball with a wedge. He can't. PERIOD. I have posted imagery that clearly shows this is IMPOSSIBLE. You argued quite a bit about this, pretty stupid I must say, when the only thing you had to do was to admit to be wrong. I guess that's what' defines a "know it all". My definition of your personality disorder is "clown".

The next brilliant performance from yourself and your buddy Wannabe was when you claimed that the status of a player - professional or amateur - is dictated by a PGA membership. That is just so stupid I don't know what is. The status is decided by R&A/USGA and has NOTHING to do with a PGA membership. PGA is an organisation, and there are several others. Some of these allows ANYONE that can pay the starting fee to play in tournaments. I have included links to SEVERAL of these, I have even played in a couple of these events myself. But STILL you are so full of shit you think you're right when you claim that a PGA membership is what dictates a professional status or not. Embarrassing, if you ask me.

And now we're at the point where you claim that the golf ball is not one of the most important factors when pairing the foursomes in Ryder an Presidents Cup. You probably think that the idiot who said that professionals turn up at tournament and test thousands of balls before selecting the ball that suits that weeks conditions was right, huh..?

In the future, please feel free to include references to the quotes that you complain about, if anything it would at least make you just a little credible.

Déjà vu was the word...

I am sooo looking forward to playing a game with you guys, it'll be REALLY fun watching you show your skills against someone like me who "never was able to carry all that knowledge onto the course itself and was frustrated by his game".

I just reread your post and it deserves an answer.

1. You said...

"So far you haven't managed to post anything correct ONCE. First you claimed that Greg Norman was correct when he said he could actually hit the top quadrant of a golf ball with a wedge. He can't. PERIOD. I have posted imagery that clearly shows this is IMPOSSIBLE. You argued quite a bit about this, pretty stupid I must say, when the only thing you had to do was to admit to be wrong. I guess that's what' defines a "know it all". My definition of your personality disorder is "clown"."

My response is I never claimed anything of the sort. I posted a link to a Greg Norman article wherein he talked about hitting the top quadrant of a ball "when I want to", in his words. He only mentioned the word "wedge" in the article one time and did not describe how or where he struck the ball on that particular shot. You brought up the issue about wedges and the impossibility of hitting the top quadrant of a ball with one. I didn't. In fact, I defy you to find where I ever defended Norman or argued with you over whether a ball was struck in the top quadrant. I merely stated you should take up the matter with Norman if you had a disagreement with his article. You dreamed up the entire discussion and then talked to yourself. Calling me a "clown" over this is hardly justified.

2. You then make this statement...

"The next brilliant performance from yourself and your buddy Wannabe was when you claimed that the status of a player - professional or amateur - is dictated by a PGA membership. That is just so stupid I don't know what is. The status is decided by R&A/USGA and has NOTHING to do with a PGA membership. PGA is an organisation, and there are several others. Some of these allows ANYONE that can pay the starting fee to play in tournaments. I have included links to SEVERAL of these, I have even played in a couple of these events myself. But STILL you are so full of shit you think you're right when you claim that a PGA membership is what dictates a professional status or not. Embarrassing, if you ask me."

I must admit I did argue somewhat with your statement that any amateur could show up at a professional tournament, pay the entry fee and be permitted to play, until you pointed out some obscure series of tournaments that will accept P4P golfers. I then accepted you 'might' be correct in the literal sense and let it go. This is something you might consider doing in the future.

3. Finally we have this little gem from your quoted post...

"And now we're at the point where you claim that the golf ball is not one of the most important factors when pairing the foursomes in Ryder an Presidents Cup. You probably think that the idiot who said that professionals turn up at tournament and test thousands of balls before selecting the ball that suits that weeks conditions was right, huh..?"

What I said in total about choosing golf balls as a factor in partnering Ryder Cup players follows...

"To add to this enlightening discussion, I was a participant at a press conference with Jack Nicklaus and Seve Ballesteros (You might remember them. They were in all the papers.) when the subject of ball choice arose, as it inevitably does, in their choices for playing partners in the Ryder Cup.

Both of them stated it had no bearing on their choice of partners in the Ryder Cup, preferring to use eye color instead as a determining factor."

For someone as self assured as yourself, I would have thought the reference to pairing up golfers by their eye coloring might have been a clue my answer was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Perhaps you thought my answer on eye coloring was correct since it is the first comment I have made that you haven't disputed. I dunno.

In conclusion I never made the claims you say I did, with the possible exception to not being aware of some obscure golf tournament you claim to have played in. You dreamed up most of the problems and expanded on them without knowledge aforethought. In short, I do believe we can all rest assured you are mostly full of hot air.

I agree hole heartedly with the full of hot air comment, you have to give forethat is due he is persistent to the point of extremism, this thread will now reach at least 20 pages as the argument to who is right can and never will be resolved, <deleted> I haven't got a clue who is right or who is wrong I am not qualified to have an opinion, it makes good reading though!!

kenny, there is no bus from Patong to Kata Karon Chalong, not even next morning. It was one more than a decade ago, but the tuk tuk drivers wasted the driver. The lisence for this bus has been available ever since

The tuk tuks are now so well organised, any price has to be approved by the others on radio

My son here on holiday wanted to bring this old beachbum to Patong new years eve, and while I often enjoy a night out, there was no way I would go this night as I want to avoid drunk driving and tuk tuks prices would not be the usual 400 baht home to Kata.

We rather had one hell of a pool party at home, and will do bangla another night

Same for me I avoided going out and had a quiet drink at home, nice!! hence why I said you need to plan ahead and make the arrangements to get home so as to avoid the obvious problems

Someone will have to be murdered by one of these thugs before change happens,even still that might not get change.

I don't understand these prices, who do they think will pay 4000 baht one way? Certainly not the frugal Russians.

Airlines have magazines on board the planes, what's to stop a warning advertisement being printed in these magazines about the tuk tuks?

Thai authorities or the powers that be have no juristiction on airline reading material and they would be non the wiser.

Don't get me started about Russians I have 2 living next door!! Tourists and warning's do not go together, they are on holiday and they will do just as they like, the majority will ignore all and any warning's because it can't happen to them, you can tell them and hope they are intelligent enough to say no!! Tuk Tuk's ask these ridiculous prices because there is always someone who is to willing pay!!

Chevy sales guy just called me, have problem, rear view camera, can not, install difficult, technician can not, may damage car, will give 10k instead. Ha ha ha haven't laughed for a while. Now they found out that the price and installation is a bit pricier as what they thought and try to back out. So what should I do? Get the discount or try to get a higher discount or insist on the rear view camera, they may really mess up the installation. But I actually think it is just an excuse.

Why do you need a rear view camara? are you unable to use mirrors? or do you like to see the dog or cat you have just run over doing somersaults!! lol

It's legal to spear-fish as long as you are snorkeling.

Spear-fishing and SCUBA are illegal.

Spear fishing is 100% legal as long as you are outside the boundaries of national parks. I don't believe there is any law saying that you can't spear on scuba.

If you were shooting a spear gun near where people were diving then I'm sure you would be breaking a law of some sort, but that wouldn't be because you were spearing on scuba but because you were being an irresponsible moron.

I don't know for sure but I would guess rod fishing from the shore line will be equally poor anywhere on Phuket.

One of the Thai lads came back yesterday morning carrying his rod and what I assumed to be 2 huge Barracuda, there is very good fishing somewhere near to Chalong, I will get the gf to ask him the next time we see him..

I find it difficult to believe that a Tuk Tuk driver would attack a person without first being attacked, these drivers charge what they want because people will pay it, if you do not want to pay these prices it is far better and safer to smile and say no, where Patong is concerned if a Tuk Tuk is demanding 4000 bht it would be better and safer to again smile and say no, it is never cold here so why not just get a few cans maybe some food and hang around the beach until morning then get the cheap bus!!

If you are going anywhere in this country it is best to plan your return home well before so you will not have to resort to paying ridiculous prices.

Avoiding confrontation here is everything but it takes a special type of person to be able to smile and walk away.

Drink changes everyone, you become brave and unaware of the consequences of your actions, enjoyment is not dependant on alcohol!!

This is my opinion and can be ignored if you so wish!!

Happy New Year and a safe trouble free 2012.

I enjoy playing with people, I don't care about their level of play is as long as they behave as a majority of players - exemplary. And just to inform you, it doesn't matter if it is a Pro or a hacker, we all have EXACTLY the same issues with the swing and the game. You know how it is; if the driving is working the putting is <deleted>, if the ball striking sucks you can bet your sorry ass that every bleeding put will drop - as if the ball knew that the putt was to save a triple bogey, not a birdie or eagle put. It's the same for everybody, it doesn't matter if your off plus 4 or 28. My best competition score last year was 65, the worst was 82. I admit that I usually don't play tournaments if my game is not working (for this reason my hcp probably shows my highest level of play nowadays), I have a habit of practicing rather than competing, but I have reached the age where I am no longer interested in the same way.

I should also tell you that last week I had a round where I simply could not hit the darned thing and didn't even summarize the score, but I guess somewhere close to 85-86. That's 16 shots over my hcp. So shit happens to all level of players. It happens to the top 10-players in the world too...

Firstly you made reference to my post about being a PGA Member to play pro. You basically said it was bullshit and have brought it up again even though I explained earlier that it was correct. In about 1979 when I turned Pro I had it had to be as a member of the PGA to actually play in tournaments because there were no other pro events. Like it or lump it, that was the fact. So now that is clear....

This part of your post above I agree with completely. If only you posted in similar ways instead of the patronising way you usually do.

Please feel free to include references to the post where I have said this was Bull Shit (in the future, please make sure you include references to all quotes you claim I have made).

You stated that there's a hcp limit to become a pro. There is no such thing. Here's what you said:

Back in his/my day you only had to be off 4 or less to try and become pro. I'll ask him in a couple of weeks.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4693068

What I HAVE done is to clearly and in an EXTREMELY (if not over clear) detailed way describe what the condition for a player status is. In this case, it's R&A/USGA who governs the conditions for the status of non-amateur player. YOU, on the other hand, have refused to admit that this is the case DESPITE me having included links to SEVERAL professional organisations where you are free to join and play as a professional regardless of handicap. Actually, it's not up to them to decide whether you're a professional, it's the fact that you accept money that decides your status. This means you don't have to be a player to reach the status of a professional - as long as you make more money that R&A admits you can do as an amateur you're a professional. Coach, player, long driver, exhibition player etc.

The funny thing is you continue to claim that you have proven me wrong. Are you serious..? You argue that your internship at PGA Australia was required to become a professional golfer - it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with becoming a professional golfer, what you are talking about is becoming a member in an organisation THERE'S the handicap limit, in this case it's 4, 2 or similar.

Here are the links:

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4693115

But in all, great to see you act as a man and admit you were dead wrong - Kudos!

Now would be a good time to agree to disagree otherwise this thread could surpass 20 pages!!

Anyone for a game of golf!!!

I have had a very good friend for years that reminds me of Forethat.

He had every book ever written on the game, read all the golf magazines religiously, watched all the videos and tournaments on TV and considered himself an expert on all things golf related.

Unfortunately, he never was able to carry all that knowledge onto the course itself and was frustrated by his game. He claimed to know everything but, sadly, did not have the motor skills to accomplish his goals.

What is he doing now?

He has largely retired from the game and is reduced to following golf forums, trying to critique anonymous people on their imaginary golf swings. He, too, makes vacuous comments regarding his personal game, largely because they all occur in his imagination.

This seems to be a case of deja vu all over again.

I'm sure you're a good player, you've made sure to tell the entire forum plenty of times.

Personally, my thinking is that the bullshitter is the one who cant but tell everybody how good he his. One wonders what the he** that has to do with it..?

So far you haven't managed to post anything correct ONCE. First you claimed that Greg Norman was correct when he said he could actually hit the top quadrant of a golf ball with a wedge. He can't. PERIOD. I have posted imagery that clearly shows this is IMPOSSIBLE. You argued quite a bit about this, pretty stupid I must say, when the only thing you had to do was to admit to be wrong. I guess that's what' defines a "know it all". My definition of your personality disorder is "clown".

The next brilliant performance from yourself and your buddy Wannabe was when you claimed that the status of a player - professional or amateur - is dictated by a PGA membership. That is just so stupid I don't know what is. The status is decided by R&A/USGA and has NOTHING to do with a PGA membership. PGA is an organisation, and there are several others. Some of these allows ANYONE that can pay the starting fee to play in tournaments. I have included links to SEVERAL of these, I have even played in a couple of these events myself. But STILL you are so full of shit you think you're right when you claim that a PGA membership is what dictates a professional status or not. Embarrassing, if you ask me.

And now we're at the point where you claim that the golf ball is not one of the most important factors when pairing the foursomes in Ryder an Presidents Cup. You probably think that the idiot who said that professionals turn up at tournament and test thousands of balls before selecting the ball that suits that weeks conditions was right, huh..?

In the future, please feel free to include references to the quotes that you complain about, if anything it would at least make you just a little credible.

Déjà vu was the word...

I am sooo looking forward to playing a game with you guys, it'll be REALLY fun watching you show your skills against someone like me who "never was able to carry all that knowledge onto the course itself and was frustrated by his game".

When is this imaginary golf game going to take place? if you are to be believed when you say you shot a 69 then there would be no point in me turning up to show off my skills against players that score under par, I can tell you right now I could not compete against such brilliance and I am being complimentary when I say that, I admire professional golfers who are able to play this game so well, my skills are of a competent golfer who plays the game well but has never scored better then 7 over par, going by all of the posts on here it is my opinion that 3 people are pro's who can not agree with each other, I really can not understand why there should be name calling when this is a debate about golf,there will always be a difference of opinion it's nothing to get nasty about it's life, I have to say this thread is a very interesting one, I am actually learning from it. I always have thoughts about being a great golfer but I find practice boring so I except the player I am, sometimes I am very good sometimes not very good, I take the good with the bad..

Personaly I would love to play with a golfer who shoots under par, I would never play with anyone who is using the game to make fun of me!!!

I just enjoy the walk and the occasional great shot it's enough for me!!

We just wish you'd refrain from posting descriptions of it here....

When I went to golf college my coach taught me one thing I believe is suitable in your case: "After a round, just tell me the score. Nothing else. I am not interested in hearing how it happened and what would have been. Only the score. OK? If you shoot 69, tell me 69. If you shoot 78, tell me 78. Nothing else, OK?"

Yesterday I shot 69.

We only have your word forethat ha ha

I would say that is a good description of my golf considering I am a good amateur but not a great one as my chipping and putting is pretty much useless but still enjoyable, last week I shot 12 over using Titleist NXT tour ball(18 hole long course, very pleased with that!!

More on the topic that touches on this problem.

http://www.thetourva...features/225284

http://blogs.golf.co...s-pairings.html

I don't think Wannabe or chuckd (and definitely not kenny) is of the standard that you'll be able to grasp the actual issue with playing a ball you don't normally play. For this you'll need to be able to strike the ball more consistently than one normally do at your hcp. If you understood this you'd understand why Jack Nicklaus, Mickelson, Faldo, Pavin and other players, (captains or players) gives this so much attention. It has even been debated whether this has actually decided the result in single matches, and in some cases the outcome of the entire Cup.

From a more practical perspective, on of biggest reason the ball is so important, is distance control (many of the players I know who've played in Ryder Cup claims that "trajectory/feeling" is an issue as well, but that's over-course for you guys). I am willing to bet a green fee that none of you boys know exactly how to hit a 73 yds shot, or a 88 yds pitch, or what Sergio Garcia would call a 50 yds nipper. You may have a couple of stock shots in the bag, but most likely you're not even aware how to adjust in order to hit every yardage from 40 to 100 yds. At this level it's not about hitting it within a couple of yds, we're talking hitting it at the EXACT yardage. There are are a couple of techniques by which you can do this, but regardless of technique you can bet that the distance gets programmed after hitting a couple of hundred thousand wedges.

Now, what you're saying, is that all this counts for nothing. Of course it does. It is the very essence of professional golf. Scoring. Without consistent ball striking and distance control you cant hit it close to the pin and eventually convert to birdies. And I haven't even mentioned the trajectory/feeling side of the issue or how the body makes adjustments when this parameter is disturbed.

The reason this becomes an issue is the distance control and the trajectory/feeling. Bomb it of the tee I cant imagine would be a problem, but the approach shot, there's the issue, and this is a well known fact. This is also why this is heavily debated every time Ryder Cup or similar is on the line. Some players prepare and practice. They know in advance that they will be paired with someone and for this reason practice with the intended ball.

Not an important factor? Clown...

Tut tut forethat name calling again, don't let frustration rule your emotions!!

No I am not of the standard where I could hit shots consistently from the yardages you mention hence why I am not a very low handicap player, to me the most enjoyable thing about golf is seeing the ball flying through the air, landing the ball any where on the green from my second shot is most enjoyable, I actually enjoy the bad shots along with the good shots, pro's make the game look so so easy but they practice a lot and I assume have a personal coach plus lots of that natural ability, I enjoy the game, I do not practice as I find it boring so I know my limitations, I just enjoy the walk and the occasional great shot it's enough for me!!

Kenny, you are a better man than me as I didn't read it, didn't have to. The statement from he who doesn't follow through on promised balls stated that the balls were one of the most important factors when chosing the pairings. Norman and Couples said it wasn't. Now I'll leave it up to everyone to decide who was right, Norman and Couples or the internet warrior.

What the players do is of no significance as they didn't chose the pairings. Nicklaus can chose pairings any way he wants be he wasn't the captain so what he says he would/did do is irrelevent. As far as I know Woods has never chosen the pairings so I don't know why he is mentioned at all.

In fact nothing the captains did in the past need be said because they didn't chose the pairings. What Norman and Couples said is the ONLY thing that matters.

The only thing relevent is whether Norman and Couples thought the balls were significant when chosing the pairings and they didn't. Jump up and down all you want but it doesn't make any difference and what anyone else says they did or would have done is not relevent as they aren't the captains.

Next.

PS: Kenny, I would suggest santa claus will drop through your chimney with a dozen Pro V1's tied to the easter bunny's ass before you'll get him to follow through on his promise.

We all know the type don't we, every club has them. The type we all smile and nod too but are always too busy pulling out our fingernails with a hot poker instead of being available for a game.

I suppose I must own up to the fact not opinion that I did not read it at all, I was just humoring forethat as I knew it would please him greatly!!

I still wait for the postman every day with much anticipation and excitement for that little parcel containing 3 pro V1 golf balls, I am disappointed everyday!!

I ask myself often why would someone promise to send you something with no intention of actually doing it!!

I have to mention that forethat in a reply to the Phunaka pro quoted about embarrassment am I missing who really is the one feeling embarrassed!!

New years resolution is to ensure that I start any thread or post with the paragraph: this is my opinion which can be taken either way, I am not a qualified coach but I have opinions which can be taken either way, my skill as a golfer is my opinion and can be taken either way, any post about balls is my opinion which can be taken either way, I do hit some great shots which is my opinion and can be taken either way, I love golf and enjoy every shot good or bad this is fact and should not be taken any way other than it is fact!!

How long did it take you to type that lol

May I suggest you read it..? And, by all means, click the link to get the source of the information.

I have read it and it is mumbo jumbo to me lol interesting if you are interested of course.

Just a teensy correction here, FT. I believe if you go back through the thread, you will find I am the one that must play with a lollipop stuck up my arse, NOT brother Wallaby.

To add to this enlightening discussion, I was a participant at a press conference with Jack Nicklaus and Seve Ballesteros (You might remember them. They were in all the papers.) when the subject of ball choice arose, as it inevitably does, in their choices for playing partners in the Ryder Cup.

Both of them stated it had no bearing on their choice of partners in the Ryder Cup, preferring to use eye color instead as a determining factor.

I was personally there and I remember it well.

Oooohhhh Chuckd, you are a naughty boy. Now, to take Kenny's words, we will have 2 pages on why Couples and Norman didn't really say what they did.

But I wouldn't trust him or Couples, I'd much rather trust someone who says he was there as he MUST know what they both really said, just misquoted.

The real quote was...........The only consideration to balls is to make sure you have enough in your bag. Oh sorry, that was John Daly after the Oz open.

My coach said that a lollipop up my arse would assist with hitting down and squeezing the ball and to make sure my thoughts are on the top quadrent.

lol love it, is it possible to hit a ball with a lollipop up your arse, I do hope the ice lolly was eaten first!!

For Most At Royal Melbourne, Ball Choice Was Foursome Factor

Alternate-shot format gets captains, players thinking about ball selection and on-course strategy. Only a handful of foursomes matches involved just one ball

One of the oddities of team play is foursomes, which often requires players to use a ball different from the one they ordinarily play. Such was the case at this year's Presidents Cup where only five of the 22 foursomes pairings were composed of players using the same ball.

Although International captain Greg Norman said it wasn't an issue ("At the end of the day, the guys can make the adjustment or adapt very quickly," he said), there is strategy involved. The prevailing wisdom is that the teams should tee off with the ball preferred by the player who will hit the approach shot. Performance of most low-spinning, multilayer tour balls is fairly similar off the tee, the thinking goes, but the players would notice a different feel (and perhaps spin) when hitting irons and wedges. Since distance control from the fairway is critical to setting up birdies, you want the player who is going to hit the approach shot to use his preferred ball. (A change made prior to the 2007 Presidents Cup match allows teams to switch balls after completing a hole.)

Not that all teams adhere to that. At Royal Melbourne the Jason Day-Aaron Baddeley tandem practiced using only Baddeley's Titleist Pro V1x (Day plays TaylorMade's Penta TP) and used that ball during their foursomes matches against Dustin Johnson-Matt Kuchar and Phil Mickelson-Jim Furyk. The rationale, according to Baddeley, was simple.

"My ball suits his game more than his ball suits my game," Baddeley said. The Geoff Ogilvy-Charl Schwartzel pairing also went with a single ball after a practice session. "We were messing around with the two different golf balls. I play Nike and he plays Titleist, so we were just seeing which ball we were going to hit," said Schwartzel. "I found no difference in the balls. Geoff found that [with] the Nike, he was struggling with the irons a bit, so [we just went] with his."

Jack Nicklaus was captain of the U.S. team in 2007 and when asked if the type of ball each player used was taken into consideration when making the pairings, Nicklaus answered in the affirmative.

"My little cheat sheet has not only the players and who they wanted to play with, but also their balls and how they would match up ball-wise," said Nicklaus, as he showed a little piece of paper listing all the players and their respective golf balls to a reporter. "We worked very hard to ensure not only the compatibility of the guys, but the compatibility of the golf ball. It is a big deal."

That thought was echoed by Curt Byrum during Golf Channel's coverage of the opening foursomes matches: "It's an issue," commented Byrum. "Mickelson and Furyk played eight holes during a practice round playing alternate shot, trying different strategies to get used to who they wanted to tee off, who they wanted to putt -- and the golf balls definitely play a role."

In fact, they may have played a role in the outcome of the matches. The five foursomes pairings using the same ball won 3.5 points and only lost 1.5 points. For the Americans, they won 2.5 and only lost a half-point. Flip that score the other way and the matches would have ended in a tie. Now that would have been a big deal.

Schwartzel said he found no difference in balls so he deferred to partner Ogilvy, who found just the opposite was true.

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How long did it take you to type that lol

At the end of the day it's all balls!!

Can we make it to 400 posts, balls balls and more balls so much to say about balls lol

Kenny this is my 1st ever post on Thaivisa after reading many of the posts. The reason I have registered is to to please ask you to stop posting about your knowledge of golf, especially in Phuket. I am a British PGA member and have lived here for over 12 years and am embarrassed by your reluctance to accept anyone else's view regarding coaching, the cost of golf in Phuket etc, etc. Please accept you are a mediocre player who hits the occasional great shot, whatever that is in your book and have none of the three P's I.e. PGA card, permission or permit to teach at phunaka. Best to sit at home and watch the golf channel. By the way you can find me at Phunaka everyday to show off your skills?

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this guy to straighten up his act. He is a bullshit talker of a kind I have never seen before. Absolutely ridiculous. I have invited him to show off his skills at several occasions, I've even offered myself to pick him up and pay his green fee for the amusement. Embarrassing is the correct word in his case.

You have invited the pro for a game to show of his skills on several occasions, you offered to pick the pro up and pay his green fee, come on mate you are not that nice a bloke lol

once again I will ask you to post the crap I have posted but of course you are unable to do that as it is all opinion on my part, you must get a life fore that!!

Your stupidity is enormous, the facts are you offered to send me 3 pro V balls, never arrived(bullshit, you offered me a game once this is of course bullshit again, a few people are laughing at your your stupidity it is legendary!!

Now provide the evidence of crap posts or just go away and have what ever it is you have, I dread to think!!

I have never said I am a great player, I play golf for fun with friends, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone and I certainly never boast about my skill so why would I want to have a game to do this, golf is fun fun fun with friends.

Now you can carry on for as long as you like trying to provoke people on hear up to you, remember we are giving you the drug you need which is replying to you which of course makes you happy sitting behind your desk in the dark room, but where is it going to get you, this is fun to me and I am not a person that gets upset by anything because it just goes straight over my head.

I am not going swimming with my daughter untill 4.30 so I can keep you company untill then, next post please!!

No I will not listen or take the advice from a troll!!! however I would take advice from Wallaby and chuckd as they come across as decent honest people!

Yea yea yea, whatever, Please keep to the topic.

Well it's my thread so I guess I can say what I like so I have this to say, it's all about the balls as the balls are important if it wasen't for the balls we would not be playing the game we love!! happy new year mate!!