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8 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

The "unknown unknown" reminds me of Rumsfeld, another Donald, philosophizing about the war in Irak...a low point in US history, among others...

 You are right , but not a Rumsfeldian original thought,

10 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Sex, I think, is where evolution messed up and made humans weak.

This will have to be delt with while setting up the species coming after we are done destroying ourselves.

Quite the opposite, without sex there would be no evolution, just copying . 

11 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

I am not convinced that religion, culture or environment have much influence on humans' sexual issues and deviances.

if you don't think religion has an affect on sex, Try going to Pakistan and having a homosexual relationship. Or not familiar with familiar with Catholic sex guilt?

Anyway we have fered way of the subject and the point I Tried to make. 

6 hours ago, Muhendis said:

However I was also told that the office will be moving next door to KFC at the I-Stadium next week so if you turn up at the current place and find them gone, that's where they've gone to.

is KFC next door to them and they will be moving there, or will they be moving next door to KFC . Personally I am hoping for KFC being next door and them moving there

All joking aside Thank you for  that report , I will be retiring in a few months and entering the 90 day reporting regime , and it is good to know.

2 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Put differently, people with an inquiring mind sometime think about things they don't know, but would like to know,

 Thank you for engaging me in this pleasant conversation that IMO has litle to do with the OP which contents that Thais don't think based on a bad translation.

 As far as the above quote is concerned ,  These thing are "known unknowns" in other words thing you know you don't know. But there is a separate set of things that one can not even begin to consider , the "unknown unknowns" , these are things you don't even know you don't know, they are outside your and my reality.

2 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Most people, from whatever country, don't bother with such thinking, since they have more pressing matters to deal with, like checking their Facebook account or send some tweets.

or providing a roof over one's head, keeping one safe from wild animals, or  eating ,

the  Chinese  greeting of  "have you eaten rice yet "  is surprisingly close in meaning  to "How are you" in meaning. in Thai(thaan khâo láew re¯u yang? )

The above term and the term " you think too much"  (Khuṇ khidmāk keinpị ) are phatic. When they ask if you have eaten rice ,they are not inviting you to dinner. In the west when you are asked "how are you" is not an inquiry in to your health but a greeting.

Both though provide an inside  of the motivations that shape thinking. and how conditions shape language, and language shaping thinking.

   You talked about observing and considering the moon, So some languages assign gender identities to objects and these identities differ from language to language. In German the moon has a masculine identity and in Spanish a feminine. Does language affect how germans consider

the moon as opposed to spaniards?  As it turns out it does. Spaniards might describe the moon as beautiful, where Germans might describe it as strong.    

 This if you did not know it would be an " Unknown Unknown" and not part of your consideration in the OP question.

If interested google how conditions shape language, and google how language affects thinking.

2 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Finally, Thai society is not really based on Buddhism...only in name but certainly not when it comes to following the precepts and the Buddha's teachings.

 

Yet, the same is true in the Christian West, where vertuous people go to the church just before commiting revolting acts of all kinds.

Both religion and philosophy are are not always strictly adhered , this is a universal human condition,  but it does to a degree shape the way we think, Case and point how Buddhism and Christianity treat sex and the effect it has on people's thinking about it.

  It has being said that ,

  " bad people do bad things and good people do good things , but it takes religion to make good people  do bad things" 

So religion affects the way we think and the decision making in more than sex, all one has to do is study history and read the latest news.

7 minutes ago, afsheen said:

 

What do you mean by "dog whistle post"? Please explain.

" Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different, or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup."

in this instance IMO the Op threw out some coded messages designed to elicit the predictable response from the expat subgroup .

1 minute ago, Brunolem said:

Obviously people are always thinking, otherwise they would be in a state of deep meditation, and the world would be ful! of bodhisattvas...if only!

 

Having said that, there is thinking and then there is thinking...from "what am I going to eat this evening" to "how could we produce energy from fusing atoms", there are a lot of steps to climb in the thinking process.

 

It would seem, according to facts which have nothing to do with colonialism, that some are better at deep thinking than others, not because of their origin or skin color, but because of the kind of education they received and the environment they live in.

 

 

IMO Thinking is thinking. of course it goes to reason that education determines what people think about , one cannot think about what one don't even know exists . 

" There are  Known Knowns, Known Unknowns, Unknown Unknowns"

one can think about what one knows , wonder about what one knows exists but knows litle or nothing about, but one can not even consider the "Unknown Unknown"

   But litle of the above has IMO to do with this thread which seems , by some, to suggest that Thai people don't think based on a poor english translation. 

Thai society is based on Buddhism  and buddhism is more a philosophy than a religion which seems to suggest that someone is thinking, conversely western society is based on christianity, which did involve a lot of thinking that resulted in wrong conclusions. 

5 hours ago, Brunolem said:

How many times have I asked "what are you thinking about" to a Thai, only to be answered "nothing!".

If indeed what you say is true, Two things come in to play here, One is cultural, where Thais might not be as open to blaber their private thoughts , and the conversation takes place in English. I am willing to bet that if the conversation took place in fluent Thai the conclusions might be different.

5 hours ago, Brunolem said:

And how many times did your Western friends or relatives tell you that you think too much?

If  what I say is true then of course my western friends would not try to convey a Thai concept and they would be native english speakers or native to a language related to english.

5 hours ago, Brunolem said:

In the West, we are more used to hear something like "think before talking", or "you'd better think twice", or "have you given this enough thought?" than "stop thinking!".

 it goes to reason that in the west we hear western colonialisms

A final comment.

People regardless of their nationality are always thinking , the problem is with the conclusions reached. as exhibited in this thread.

15 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Uhm, a thread about thinking, who would have thought..

As a previous poster has said, there are different levels of thinking.

So, if somebody tells you that "you think too much" , obviously he's thinking that you are "overthinking"

I think that the ability to switch from thinking to 'stop thinking' as "suspend judgement" can improve your awareness.

If i'm told by a friend that i'm thinking too much, normally i ask myself the same question.

The Paralysis of analysis 

On 9/26/2018 at 10:23 PM, afsheen said:

I noticed that even if you talk about the most simple thing, thai people will often say either "You think too much",  "Not think too much" or "stop think, make headache"

 The OP is a dog whistle post and the hounds have sure answered. This thread tells more about as that it does about Thai people. 

"you think too much" "not think too much" is simply an attempt of people who are not native english speakers to communicate the concept that you are over analysing a subject in a language foreign to them.

 As for the last example of "stop think, make headache" well..... I guess it makes my point.   

10 hours ago, atyclb said:

the court of public opinion and a real court are distinct entities. 

 Kavanaugh is  nominated for the real court, so I don't understand the comparison between real courts and the court of public opinion.

10 hours ago, atyclb said:

 in my dealings with courts i have typically been treated fairly.

Perhaps because we try to chose judges that do not have a history of sexual predation.and if true lied about it. 

If true , A sexual predator, and a liar. If true you would not want such person Judging you , would you?

10 hours ago, atyclb said:

i suppose if i encounter a judge that rules against me, i must tell myself he should have never been appointed because of an alleged , unproven allegation from a drunk party during high school nearly 40 years ago.

I you were bought in front of a judge you would hope he is of sound character and the only thing that matters are the facts.

And you should hope he was appropriately vetted when he/she was chosen for that position.

  As far as your "alleged , unproven allegation from a drunk party during high school nearly 40 years ago. " is concerned,  that's you characterization . 

Another characterization would be :  Credible multiple allegations  that need to be  properly investigated not only for the women who made them but also to remove the cloud from Kavanaugh, to reassure all   of the integrity of the highest court, and protect the country .

31 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

i wish you all the luck in the world in the quest for finding the perfect human being

We are not looking for perfection .just honesty. Don't you think honesty is a desire condition in a judge? 

 Would you like to have your case decided by a dishonest judge? and if it goes against you, will you resign to your fate by saying Good luck trying to find a perfect human being? 

1 hour ago, Chelseafan said:

Says you

 

Me and many mental health professionals.

If interested google "psychologists trump"

9 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Wow...2 plus 2 equals 5 555555555 I think you need to reread your articles.

 

So tell me about the Democrat funding of the Fusion dossier?

 

Green cheese my brother, green cheese

Two is much better than your zero.

6 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Ah yes...modernity. No longer have to PROVE allegations...but disprove them 55555555. The new American way!

 

You: the Moon is made of Green Cheese! Prove me wrong!

You: Donalds farts smell bad! Prove me wrong! (umm...how do you know)????????????????????????????????????????????

 

This is sometimes waaaaaay too easy!

 

 All I said about Deutsche Bank and Kennedy's son   are facts not allegations and I have provided supporting links.

 The ball is on your court, either out up or shut up.

Russian money laundering facts: https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/31/investing/deutsche-bank-us-fine-russia-money-laundering/index.html

Kenedy;s son:https://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-kennedy-son-loaned-president-trump-over-a-billion-dollars-2018-6

15 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Now why would I engage in a debate with someone who isnt interested in a debate.

 

Its like Green Cheese.

says the man whose biggest contribution to this debate is green cheese 

4 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Green Cheese. Your mind is already made up, why bother.

 

Area 51 baby, Area 51

If you were interested in debate I suggest you stop smelling up the place with green cheese and trump farts and start disproving my allegations.  .

4 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Wow. This is like reading Alex Jones.

 

Hey I got a Grassy Knoll for sale ????????????????????????????????????????????

 Do you like to contest anything I said?

Had Kennedy pick his law clerks in expectation of an other year on the bench

Was Kennedy's son a principle in  Deutsche Bank?

Did Deutsche Bank lend 1.3 billion dollars?

Were other banks willing to lend Trump money?

Was Deutsche Bank involved in the Russian money laundering  scandal?

7 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

So you didn’t have any trouble taking his money and shaking his hand? I think you should return your paychecks for that project as a sign of your commitment.

It was a Union job I did my job and I got paid for it , which is more than I can say about many of the sub contractors.

  Even Trump don't dick around with the NYC concrete league in which I am a member,and the owner of the company I work for, is president.

31 minutes ago, SuperTed said:

Dr Ford is not lying. She is not a nutter or Democratic hitman.

She should make a great witness, which is going to make GOP Look sh-te.

I don’t understand why the discussion of Kavanaugh gambling debts has been dropped.

Also, how did the FBI miss this first time around? Kavanaugh’s high school exploits are detailed in his best friend Mark Judge’s book about his teenage alcoholism and sexual depravity. How could they not dig down on that before the nomination?

There are so many good conservative SCOTUS candidates, why does Trump need this one? More of the President shooting himself in the foot.


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 Because this one believes that a president can not be indicted or investigated while he is president,

   Why do you think Kennedy retired now? he certainly did not intend to retire since he had already pick his  law clerks for next year.  I wonder if his son being a  principal in Deutsche Bank  that lend Trump 1.3 billion dollars when now other bank would touch him with a ten foot pole? You know the Deutsche Bank indicted at money laundering with Russia.had anything to do with it.

  When it comes to Trump why does Russia keep coming up? why never Belgium or Argentina? I wonder.

24 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Who says I "support" Trump?  Simply because I don't pick up my pitchfork and charge around screaming every time he farts, that means I support Trump?

 Only if you like the smell of farts. And Trump certainly farts a lot.

25 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

You ever met him?

He as actually shaken my hand  (i hope I dont get a disease ) I was a concrete form supervisor at the development of Trump Place on the west side. He was at the at the Topping Out party, and he congratulated all the supervisors.Never in my wildest nightmare did I expect him to be elected President, Which is the biggest problem because one way or another  he will be gone soon, but the people that elected him will remain, you know the ones who like farts.They are the greatest threat IMO.

The men is a threat to everything this country stand for, Whem America is destroyed the geographical area between Mexico and Canada will not cease to exist, and people will continue to live there under some form of government,What will disappear will be the concept of America.

The indians sold their land for a bunch of trinkets and beads, will you sell yours for a bunch of farts?

3 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Simple minds are easily fooled

Finally we found something we both agree on.