MikeandDow

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Your argument is made up of two facets

1) Workers wearing PPE

2) Buildings meeting structural code

 

We all see workers not meeting the basic PPE standards walking out of constructing sides past 'Safety First' signs....     and many draw the parralell that a shortcuthere leads to a shortcut in the construction itself....

 

But... I think there are additional facets here - structural integrity and finishing.

 

There can be no shortcuts with structural integrity the industry simply cannot get away wit this - if there were we'd see buildings falling all the time.....   this is not the case. 

 

But, we do see an abundance of cosmetic flaws down to shoddy workmanship in even the best and most expensive of buildings - Thailand is not alone in this, its prevalent in the west too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

agree most part  but there are shortcuts done every day you can not just apply structural integrity to buildings alone its on the whole of the construction industry, cranes falling of bulidings, flyover beams collapsing, mining caves collapsing,  pit holes in the road due to no compaction, guys falling of roof due to no safety harnes  The aduit bulding was way behind schedule so what you are saying that there was no shortcuts taken which i doubt knowing this contractor,   I am not thai bashing but the thai construction industry as a whole need integrity but untill corution if fixed it will not happen

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

YOU....  who ridiculed Thailands building standards...   the fact that so many buildings held is testament to the building standards.

 

You can't compare to Japan becasue Japan is on a Major tectonic plate boundary, Thailand is not, just like London, Paris, Madrid etc, the building codes and requirements are different.

 

 

Thailand is doing exactly the right thing...   they're inspecting the buildings.

 

I'm sure more will / maybe found to be structurally unsound - as will some roads etc - but the vast majority will not.

 

 

None of that makes your sweeping generalisation that Thailands building standards are substandard - your comment was still bigoted.

 

Had this same magnitude of Earthquate struck London, Paris or Madrid etc (4-5 Mw) some of those buildings too would have suffered structural damage. 

 

 

BUT... the imagery on the internet at the moment is of 'superficial' damage, tiles etc.... not ultrasonic images of primary structural components of buildings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thailands building standards are not in question same as thailands quality and safety standards  they have a plethora of procedure  but what is in question is the implemetation and enforcement of these standards  the all might baht will get you approval for a design good or bad  stafety standards  not implemeted have seen many thai workers on site with fip flop no work boot seen welds no face mask just close there eyes welding we all know the reason safety cost tooooo much money asian lives are cheap building standards are by passed every day to keep the money in the bosses pocket  oh we will put a bit less concrete in the mix who will know , I did have the unforgettable experience  of being a quality Manager overseeing a project and Italian-Thai Development Corporation being the contractor  well it was a wake up call never seen such bad quality of workmanship no pride in what they were doing, workmen Thais and Farang. no dought there are a small few who are decient contractors in Thailnd but the call of the all might baht is the problem

8 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

That is completely false information, there were a number of countries that stepped up and very publicly stated that they would be willing to take these refugees. 

You are correct 100%  Thailand  BLOCKED these coutrys from seeing the Uyghurs  so they can not do the relvent paperwork     hang you head in shame thailand 

7 minutes ago, RayWright said:

Italian in name, but not a single Italian on the Board.

Thailand in 2021 bought in design critera for building that the design was to be Eathquake proof But typically No enforement of the regulation and of course the baht will get you aproval

14 minutes ago, stupidfarang said:

getting upset are you? Being challenged on your Thai hate posts? Your comments are general ill informed. H&S is lacking in some places, but you are painting the whole industry as "in the dark ages" and "corrupt". Are you based in Thailand and if you are then please bring your "proof" to the media and expose all the "Facts" you seem to have. 

Dont need to Paint the whole industry as "in the dark ages" and "corrupt" because it is. Proof look around you or do you have blinkers on  !!  

49 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Thailand is certainly not earthquake prepared, either in construction or what to do in the event of getting a direct one.

Since 21 the Thai building code requires that new Building design is to be earthquake proof  But there is again NO enforcement  and the Baht will buy you approval as can be seen by that building collapsed. 

you are correct Thailand is certainly not earthquake prepared,  people were trying to get out of the city but no buses no trains no mrt  taxi fares trippled being rip off  this was the goverment emergency declaration to strand people

Thai constuction at its best !!

33 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

you are absolutly right ...

but to be more precise, every thai person in a higher position is corrupt, and it only gets worse the higher you go, and also all very wealthy people are corrupt ...

corruption is the driving force that keeps thailand running ... the corruption allows the rich to keep getting richer while the poor remain poor ...

 

 

 

Spot on !

2 minutes ago, stupidfarang said:

total rubbish, you really do not know what you are talking about.

And you do !!  I very much doubt it !!   Thai construction  is very much in the dark ages  No qualiy in construction, No safety,   Coruption !   workers on site in flip flops  and you are saying thats ok !! go get a life !

Five uyghurs are serving 6-year prison terms at Klong Prem Prison, a maximum-security prison, but Human Rights Watch senior Thai researcher Sunai Phasuk warns the forced deportation to China could happen sooner than later as their prison terms could be reduced due to good conduct and on special royal occasions. the Thai government has also refused to allow related UN agencies to meet with the five in order to start the asylum process, thus making it difficult, if not impossible for Western embassies to help these people  this is the Thai Chamber of Commerce (TCC) stepped up to insist that the nation has long been a proponent of international human rights standards.

Well you can say that building did not meet thai building code !!  must be big coruption gone on ! but this will be the last you hear of it "Swept under the rug"

Just now, steven100 said:

errr'   ..........  don't you really mean corruption overtook any requirements

Already said that in a earlier post,   the baht can get you anything !!!

17 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

'Kin ridiculous Thai-bashing over-generalisation.   How come all the other buildings, completed and still under construction, didn't come down also if that were the case?

read my above post more than one construction project collapsed

4 minutes ago, ElwoodP said:

Overpass construction in Chiang Rai.

thanks for info

18 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

Do you really think the most Thai politicians and most wealthy Thai families care about the people, the workers?

Nobody cares, Asian lives are cheap !! safety is tooooooo expensive