MikeandDow

12 minutes ago, fondue zoo said:

Anyone else hear that they've evacuated the above ground floors of the Chaeng Watthana Government Complex in Bangkok in the last 30 minutes?

Sinking and or leaning.

 

UPDATE

The cracks and tilt were present before the quake, everyone back to work. You do you Thailand.

https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/evacuation-at-government-complex-as-building-shakes/57048

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So blatantly photoshopped its pathetic. Where do you get that? Source?

 

I depise the Chinese but hate even more folks who screw  up our fight with BS

think you are wrong  go look other news  you will see same columns

https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/contract-for-state-audit-office-construction-under-scrutiny/57041

14 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

 

Gott - it would be amazing if the concrete supports did not have reinforcement steel as usual ! Quite unbelievable !

 

Armoured steel ? Never heard of it, except in military applications.

 

IMO, unlikely that the concrete was below spec.

 

We'll see . . . .

Why would u say its unlikely the concrete below spec ??  it would be one of the main reasons along with the reo,  if you look at the picture on other post you will see lots of reo  but unkown if meets spec

dont think the public will ever find out the reasons big cover up as normal

14 minutes ago, Drumbuie said:

CREC has seven decades of experience of building railways, smoothing gradients, tracklaying etc - but no experience of building high rises. 

 

Contracting them was a bit like asking a bus driver to tailor your suit. 

 

CREC was the company whose railway tunnel collapsed last year in Nakhon Ratchasima. Some of their officials were caught yesterday trying to remove files from the Audit building site. 

 

 

What iam reading from the news is that some of the documents were requests for Inspections, normally you dont request Inspections, what i think is the  wrong terminology has been used here,  my bet is the documents were NCR reports ( non comformace reports ) which are used to list defects found and to be addressed by the contractor

The question has to be asked Why was CREC even on a tender list for the project if it did not have no experience of building high rises

6 minutes ago, HampiK said:

So far I know, all building higher than 15 meters had to be build earthquake proof since 2007.
In 2021 it was increased to build more safe.

So a Building from 2022 (Which is taller than 15m) has to be earthquake proove. Or in that case should have.

My room has 2 cracks in the gypsum and unfortunatelly 1 50cm crack over a door frame at a inner wall. Else I can't find any cracks. But yes, there are other rooms which showed more cracks inside the rooms.

 

But to be honest as I never encountered anything similar to this event before it was really horrifying and I hope I never have to encounter something like that again. I also not knew before if the buildings were even likely build earthquake resistant or not!

You did not answer the question ( as far as you know )  There should be approval cert or paperwork attesting to the fact ??  but the problem is how do you know ! answer you dont know !!  coruption is rife in thailand its easy to get approval when the baht is king! 

TAT Quality Tourist,  

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes, apart from the second picture which looks bad. I have always said we need to see which buildings fare well and which don't - there are bound to be bad performers. We will know after all inspections, but on the face of it this one did badly - whether that is a support column for the building or not I don't know. Do you know?

I'll spell it out again: Bangkok did well as a whole. One building collapsed. One. Out of the thousands of high rises one collpased and it was still under construction.  I am sure there will be some that will be condemned, but I think not many. Whether the one above will be one or not I don't know.

But people posting ceiling tiles, wall tiles, superficial cracks and crying foul against the whole industry are nothing more than bashers. As if "earthquake resistance" should mean no cracks or wobbly false ceilings.

 

If you think Bangkok did well !! go tell it to the familys of the dead!! 

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   False ceilings moving isn't a problem , neither are cracks in the walls.

The problems arise when the structure is compromised and the building may collapse 

cracks in walls need to be Inspected to determin the extent, are the wall load bearing ?? by saying they do not matter can only be determined by a structural engineer and you are not that !

Welcome change !!   just now have to police the change,

43 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

Example of your thai bashing. Many more in this and other threads.

If you think that telling the truth is Thai bashing  and stating facts and you are Uncomfortable with that tooo bad 

stop trying to be a mod !!   move on

26 minutes ago, Mike k said:

That space can be used for Hvac duct work, wiring, plumbing and sprinkler systems 

That is correct interstitial space is used for that, but  they were building a table top design no steel beams required  it is a well know fact that table top design is not quake proof,  its very unstable  its isimilar in design as the twin towers  without the center steel core,  the question that should be asked is  who approved this design  as the building code requires quake proof buildings after 2021  and table top design is not quake proof.

The whole Project was doomed from the start  the contractor who won the bid ITD-CREC was the cheapest  therefore can be reasonable assumed cheap materials to be used,

contractor ITD-CREC not very successful in completing projects on time, Safety and quality very poor, have several disaster already,  very courpt company,  it is obvious no due diligence was carred out in awarding this project to this company  not only is the contractor resonsible for this disaster, the Thai goverment  has to bear  some responsibility for awarding the contract without due diligence.

11 minutes ago, jacnl2000 said:

 

Agree with previous poster. Given that the China Railway Engineering Corporation (CREC) with a history spanning over seven decades has worked in earthquake-prone regions before, it’s expected that they would have experience in implementing earthquake-resistant designs, including a comprehensive understanding of constructing on soft clay substrates, utilizing various ground improvement methods to ensure structural integrity.

 

Sad that the current situation unfortunately cannot be undone, but that doesn't mean we can no longer share nice moments with each other in Bangkok's highest tower. My apologies to Oliver Zipse for covering his BMW X7—guess even a luxury SUV needs a little privacy sometimes.

 

A picture of shaky buildings perched on a wobbly jelly cake, topped with cherries, is far from reassuring.  Concept of unforeseen seismic activity might be introduced—when the intensity or characteristics of an earthquake exceeds previous expectations or building standards. It was an exceptional heavy one shaking up the design book.

Well why??  this so called expert company!   building a Table top design building,  when a table top design is well know  not for unstable soils and not earthquake proof !!     its because Its Cheap !!!

13 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Apparently all buildings completed from 2007 are earthquake proof

A better word is Unknown    the almight baht can buy u anything  untill All the buildings are Inspected to the relvent codes it is Unknown

7 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

So, the BBC says this was a "flat slab" design, "which is no longer recommended in earthquake-prone areas". Pretty close to the same idea for the World Trade center buildings, to maximize open floor space by removing inner support beams. 

Yes read the same,  guess the guy who approved the design should be a bit worried !! 

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

So no then, as expected.

Just rant, shout and Thai bash - your modus operandi.

how is my post thai bashing,  telling you to read the news, sorry if you are dislextic you need to medicate