MikeandDow

9 hours ago, Stargeezr said:

Why does Hamas have its headquarters in another country? Why is it not 

considered a terrorist group by that country?

Questions, questions.

Hamas headquartered in Gaza City   and is considered world wide a terroist group  remember google is ur friend

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

Whatever, your high and mightiest, now go away and stop bothering me.

There will never be peace in this world.

The guy is a troll spoiling the disscussion

1 minute ago, Morch said:

I did not 'forget' (and actually discussed this on parallel and past topics). It is simply immaterial to the comments made. If someone wishes to say 'the Muslims' (as in implying all Muslims) have no interest in this, then he'd have to show all Muslim nations (or even people) are/were against it. Basically, quite opposite to what you just posted above. Not sure if your failure to grasp this is language related or agenda based, but anyway, you are incorrect.

it is a Fact That All Arab nations did not attend you said you had read the agreement but clearly you did not, " It is simply immaterial to the comments"   seems your stock stament, that when posts disagees with you   it is also called self opinion bigotry, typical TROLL

Just now, novacova said:

Of course it’s nothing new though certainly ignored. The tribal dialogue on the subject has been going on for eons, an ideological divide. Though I’ll admit to being foolish at times of expectations and hope for the best as certain groups in the US, who have been and are being played by Persia and some Arab states. But make no mistake, those states that are gaming the West and have a patient methodological long term goal…and eventually include Turkey. The arguments of agreements disagreements, if this that and the other, could have should have would have, only if, if we do this they’ll be nice, is delusional and just playing into their game of their ultimate goal.

good comment

Just now, Mr Derek said:

By allowing the Palestinians an independent state. Then there will be no need for Hamas to exist.

 

Try it. If it doesn't work and Hamas still keeps fighting (why would they?), then there is justifiable excuse for ethnic cleansing. Until then, there is no excuse. 

read Hamas Covenant    https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

Just now, Trippy said:

Is it true, or not?

It will not happen  so no

Just now, Trippy said:

Bottom line is, if arabs lay down their arms, we have peace, if Israel lays down their arms, we have extinction of israelis. 

very simplistic view  which will never happen

Just now, novacova said:

…& unfortunately some find comfort in willful ignorance. Any willful understanding objectively of how we got here, then it’s safe to assume that the ropes been cut & the ship has sailed and it’s not coming back…

 

The Ideology of Mass Murder:

https://quillette.com/2023/10/10/the-ideology-of-mass-murder/

some good comments at the end of the article but nothing really new

Just now, Morch said:

I have, actually.

And even if I wouldn't have my comment would be correct.

It was essentially a two-state peace offer made by Arab nations, overwhelmingly comprised and let by Muslims.

Real easy stuff.

you forget to metion that Not all Arab nation attened and Hamas fundamentally dissagrees 

Just now, Morch said:

Read the original broad brush post I replied to. Read my comment. It's simple.

Making unqualified generalizations is often wrong.

I think you are Making unqualified generalizations read the Arab peace Initative which I dont think you have

Just now, Hanaguma said:

This is the ultimate truth. There is no negotiating with a group whose founding documents call for your murder. 

are you talking about "The Hamas Covenant"  if so you are correct

Just now, Morch said:

It's very simple in the context of the post I replied to.

That post claims Muslims had no interest in a two-state solution.

again it is not a simple "yes or no"  there is a lot of ambiguity  Quote "problem with the Arab peace initiative is that it includes recognition of the state of Israel, the thing that the Palestinian government rejects"

Just now, Morch said:

Is Hamas interested in the two-state solution much?

the answer to that is NO

Just now, Morch said:

Arab Peace Initiative

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

 

Learn your facts and history.

This is not so simple as "yes arab accept agreement as a lot of arab nations did not attend also Hamas did not agree " it is not black and white

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Tu quoque  has been a specialty of certain political stripe since the IMT. 

english only

2 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

Explain, BarraMarra, how arrogant you have to be to command a poster to post on your demand.

get back on topic this has nothing to do with the present topic

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

 

Buddy, either am I expressing myself so badly, maybe because I'm a non-native speaker, or you are you intentionally try to misunderstand me.

 

Yes, Israel withdraw from the Sinai Peninsula (after 15 years) but Westbank and Western Golan heights are still occupied and, even if not occupied, Gaza`s borders, waters and airspace is still under control of Israel.

 

1981 the Golan heights were practically annexed by Israel although only the US recognize them as Israeli territory.

 

East Jerusalem was annexed 1980.

All these acts were internationally condemned, yet Israel keeps settling in these areas.

 

Or the short version:

"Israel just didn't care and kept expanding their territories and terrorizing the Arab population, which felt completely betrayed and left alone by the international community"

 

Now what makes you think, what I wrote is completely made-up and not true?

 

Do you still believe in that fairy tale that “the people without land finally settled in the land without people”?

 

Israel is a stolen country. Stolen from a majority, who were living there for centuries, by a minority, who used to live there thousands of years ago with the help of powerful Western countries.

 

I never wrote that Hamas was formed after the six-day war, but where do you think all these terrorist organizations are coming from?

 

We call them terrorist organization but from the view of the Arabs they are freedom fighters, trying to get back their land.

 

Would you accept it, if some minority in your home country with a completely different religion and mentality would suddenly found a state in the middle of it, expelling you and your family?

 

As long as we keep using this double standard accepting every crime and allied state has committed and only condemning the crimes of the other side, People keep dying.

 

We're doing this for decades now.

 

Wasn't that the definition of insanity by Albert Einstein? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

 

Actually, he never said that, still it remains a great quote.

 

However, I have another quote, which suits us both:

 

“The dogs bark but the caravan keeps moving.”

 

Let's agree to disagree. We could spend the rest of our lives discussing this and yet it would change nothing.

 

And without knowing you, I think we both have better things to do.

 

Have a nice weekend.

 

Fine i agree to disagree but i belive i know more about my homeland than you do !!! and i know Israel is not stolen country you read up on that and learn

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You are treading on thin ice , reposting deleted material .

You could have some white prosperous coming your way quite soon 

you can only but hope

53 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Well history as well as international law do not see it the way you do.

 

Israel is Israel but it was Palestine and Muslim for more than 1000 years. When it went under British mandate the Jewish population was something around 3%.

 

1917 Britain declared their support for the founding of a national home for the Jews in the Balfour Declaration and against the will of the local population more and more Jews settled in Palestine. 

 

The declaration had many long-lasting consequences. It indirectly led to the emergence of Israel and is considered a principal cause of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, often described as the world's most intractable conflict.

 

In the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel occupied the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, West Bank, East Jerusalem and Golan Heights.

 

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal; they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the Israeli-occupied territories.

 

Israel just didn't care and kept expanding their territories and terrorizing the Arab population, which felt completely betrayed and left alone by the international community.

 

And that is what led to the creation of all Arabic terrorist organizations in that area.

 

Hamas is Israel's child.

 

As irony of fate, one of their oldest books, Hosea 8 verse 7, states:

 

“For they have been planting the wind and their fruit will be the storm”.

 

"Israel just didn't care and kept expanding their territories and terrorizing the Arab population, which felt completely betrayed and left alone by the international community.

And that is what led to the creation of all Arabic terrorist organizations in that area.

Hamas is Israel's child."

Total rubbish the above part you have made up and is NOT true

you need to read the history and just not part then alter it because it does not suit you

after the 6day war israel defeated Egypt very badly, Israel captures and occupies the Golan Heights from Syria, the West Bank (incl. East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt and surrounded Egypt 3rd army, but basicly through internaional pressure UN and  for Egypt recognizing Israel as a state Israel withdraw from the Sinai Peninsula

Hamas was not formed till late 1987 nothing to do with the 6 day war

you really need to do your research before you post if you dont it makes you look like an idxxx

15 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

They are playing the game" Wreck the Thread " Mike they wind us up, and then they get a reaction. They get off on it there not serious they're just playing the game.

Funny game they play disrespecting people who gave there life for there country

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not convincing.

agree not convincing   I whole heartly support Israel  They have had to fight for a right to survive for a long time, people who sit in there own homes safe and call Israel a terrorist state dont really know what they are talking about 

29 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

My point is to illustrate the obvious fact that Israel is a terrorist state. One PM blows up the country's top hotel killing 91, and praises the massacre of over 100 villagers in Deir Yassin as a "splendid act of conquest". The other organises the murder of the UN mediator. 

The hypocrisy of the USA and The West in supporting this terrorist state is the main cause of the tragedy.

Keep thinking that The rest of the world does NOT, my question to you is are you a supporter of Hamas because your posts indicate so

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It looks like the Hamas intention is to create as many civilian casualties as possible.

correct  and try to broadcast Israels treatment of the palestinians 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and israel has behaved exactly as they expected.

It is happening slowly, but more people around the world are becoming revolted by israel's siege of Gaza, and it's going to bite them really hard, IMO.

"but more people around the world are becoming revolted by israel's siege of Gaza," says you!!  and totally incorrect,  the world is abhorrent to the hamas slaughter of babys, and the photos of palestinian kids spitting on Israil dead bodys

3 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

But we all know Israels 'self defence' angle is rubbish.  

Please explain, and  i belive this is only your opinion not "we"