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3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:
Are you being obtuse? I refuse to believe that you are incapable of understanding the point he was making - but in case that is so, he is highlighting the sophistry of the language that, once again, the Brexiteers are trying to seduce the country with.
The Big Red Brexit Bus of Lies was one example - the Brexit Dividend is another. Rees Mogg knows that the only winners from Brexit will be him and his tax avoiding clients. He knows that we will suffer a net loss from Brexit - he only gives half the picture, and you seem to refuse to accept the other half.
Obtuse back at you if can't understand what Pilgrim said.
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3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:
And we do not benefit from membership of these agencies?
Not enough for the cost.
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1 hour ago, tebee said:
OK but many of that list are incompatible with single market membership. Much of the current British economy is dependent on us being a single market member. It's something that's not been questioned n the last 40 years.
Dropping out suddenly will cause firms to close or relocate to the rest of the EU. Airbus employees 17,000 people in the UK , with an estimated 110,000 people in support industries (including myself at one point in the past) It will be a major shock to the economy and we will take years to recover. Many of those jobs will never come back because some modern hi-tech just can't exist in an economy as small as us on our own. Even leavers are now talking about possible Brexit benefits, but only in 30 years time. Is it worth it ? you and I will probably be dead by then having survived our last years on much reduced pensions.
Economy... markets.... markets....economy! These are NOT the only issues but you just won't listen will you? Airbus and now BMW are warning, not saying anything for definite - there will be more of these threats from the big corporate elements who all all pro EU - all part of continuing Project Fear. Why should pensions necessarily be affected?
The EU and those who control it are responsible for ruining the continent of Europe.
If Britain is out of the EU when my last order is called, I'll be happy enough!
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1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:
The UK's youth unemployment is 10%, but in Germany it is 6% and in Holland 7%, the EU average includes the likes of Greece's 42% youth unemployment and does nothing to explain why British youths don't take advantage of the job opportunities in Germany or Holland.
Maybe the wage differential is insignificant or not attractive enough, unlike that for SE Europeans movIng N and W?
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1 hour ago, tebee said:None - so you are one of those who want a hard brexit even if it means many losing their jobs ?
- Ability to strike trade deals with other nations
- No EU laws forced upon us
- Reclaim fishing waters
- Come out of the CAP
- No ECJ jurisdiction
- No contributions to the EU budget
- No free movement of people
The above points from CG1 Blue are all reasons for the out vote. The order of priority may change according to individual but we would like for all of these to happen. Some of us happen to think that they combine to become more important than the near-term economy.
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5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:
I presume that you, too, are unable to challenge his point so resort to attacking the man himself?
What point? The point I make is about O'Brien himself. If you have a different opinion don't expect to get a word in. No room for debate - no point in listening.
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2 hours ago, SheungWan said:Actually, listening to James O'Brien's programs where he has to deal with the myriad fruitcake Hard Brexiteers and various Conspiracy Theorists throwing their wobbles on the phone-in is absolutely great and hilarious to boot. Odd how so many forum Brexiteers seem to be cut from the same cloth.
Has to deal with? Cobblers, he just jumps on anyone with a different view and mutes them out while he rants on.
O'Brien is a complete and utter cretin. No wonder you love him.
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1 hour ago, Jip99 said:
Nice way to chalk up the 10,000th post on this thread Nauseus.....?
I am humbled, thanks. But still waiting for my case of Dom. Missus is getting thirsty.
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3 hours ago, tebee said:
OK your using PPP gdp I was using actual GDP
Anyway, you can see how well the EU has done since 1980, eh?
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3 hours ago, tebee said:
OK your using PPP gdp I was using actual GDP
I thought you liked PPP.
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3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:Congratulations to Nauseus who bagged the 10,000th post in this thread (a small compensation for a bad FT day).
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Damn. I missed that! Thanks. Not sure what the FT ref is tho?
TV please PM for my champagne shipment details. ?
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2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:
So, is Barnier suggesting that the EU won't try to find a bespoke solution to maintain the security collaboration between the EU and the UK after Brexit - thus putting the lives of UK and EU citizens at greater threat?
That would be disgraceful!
Why some people still want to be a part of this crock of sh* I'll never know...
Ah!! Now I understand what a crock refers to! ?
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3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:Oops!
“If the UK was no longer held accountable by EU institutions, including the European court of justice, it could not benefit from the bloc’s security arrangements, he [Barnier]said.
Now who who was it that was struggling with this earlier today?
Barnier is getting barmier by the day. Who do you think gets the most benefit out of this deal?
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6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
You’re earning your bacon today!
Don't laugh so fast. See my FT chart.
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13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:What part of that part of the world we now know as America was speaking any form of English in the 12th or 13th Century?
Come on old chap, out with it.
Fair point. They still can't speak English.
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52 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
Your term ‘less powerful economically’ needs clarification. The EU is the world’s second largest economy, behind the US.
Oops.
Don't laugh so fast. See my FT chart.
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6 minutes ago, tebee said:EU GDP = $17 trillion China GDP = $11 trillion
When it comes to negotiating trade agreements it's the big boys who win - they have the power, so that's the way it goes. It's not bullying, it's the way of the world
Well I guess it depends whose numbers you look at, Big Boy. Here's a few with chart from the FT JAN 22 this year:
https://www.ft.com/content/dec6968c-f6ca-11e7-8715-e94187b3017e
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/
Once the UK leaves then the EU will drop to 3rd again anyway. By the way it's still bullying and typifies the big EU cowardly bully. One of the many good reasons to bail out.
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1 hour ago, tebee said:The problem is the EU is the most powerful trading bloc in the world, Britain outside it, is a minnow. They can pretty much demand what they want and we'll have to concede if we want a deal.
The EU has expanded its size of member states but even these 28 are still less powerful, economically, than China.
"They can pretty much demand": well that's what the EU seems to like doing, eh? It was called bullying at school. This often finally ended with the bully getting a straight right onto the end of his nose.
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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:
Thank you for correcting my typo.
Where would I be without my spell checkers?!
You're welcome. I hope that you can see how important this is?
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3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:
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Oh yes.☠️
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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
I know precisely what you are referring to ‘security data’, but that’s nothing to do with the European Court of Human Rights.
The EUCHR concern is the human rights of people within the EU.
With respect to data, the court has jurisdiction over the human rights matters relating to that data.
Data shared by any police or security firce within Europe is subject to European Human Rights.
That’s the issue!
European Council for Health Research (EuCHR)
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1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:
I missed out on that! Were Kinnock and Mandelson part of the eu commission??
Oh yes.
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9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:I agree with your general point that MEPs tend to be kicked out of office politicians, but:-
1) please quote my entire post and
2)the eu commission is entirely different to MEPs. They have no legitimacy as to being elected by the population of eu countries - but are the ones that 'rule the roost'....
Not entirely different, Dick. The EU Commission has and has had more than its unfair share of proven failures in their own national arenas. You can start with Juncker, Kinnock and Mandelson. There are plenty more "prime" examples.
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6 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:
A dead lion, one of three the Brexiteers are willing sacrifice for their agenda.
You couldn't be more wrong. We stand for their preservation. Just like Harry Kane just did against Tunisia.
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Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this
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"Always the best and brightest who move"? You really are having fun now, Tebee!