jbeck

Ah, you should ride your NSR for a bit before deciding not to track it perfect fit for that bike, and MUCH safer & more fun than riding in traffic in LOS.

Right boys, find the lad a project. And in fair game for anyone else interested, let's post any links & contact info publicly on this thread. Many folks could enjoy this bike!

do you mean a NSR thread? Why not just start one?

think of buying a 2007 or so electric start, front disc brake 125 so does anyone know know the difference between the S and R?

Is it only styling?

Also does anyone know when the injected wave 125 (i) model was first produced?

thanks

Honda parts are always available, but the price depends on demand and where they are made, Japan being the most expensive. Some of the parts are getting very pricy (by Thai standards; lets remember we are here). I was told the list price for the rear shock was 10,000 baht, and the dealer would drop the price to 7k. When I had the NSR150R I was advised by the Honda dealer that some of the parts come from Japan (eg fuel sensor in the tank) and thus they are very expensive. You have to remember the first NSR was not 100% Thai content parts wise; large % content from Japan. I am not convinced all the SP parts are Thai sourced, since the bike (with a lower spec) was also made in Taiwan.

The bike strippers on mocyc.com are really charging up prices for parts for the SP now; a reflection on the cost of buying spares from Honda I would say.

The best source for a cheap bike remains Thais; alot of Thais don't see the value in keeping a bike like this (fuel economy/not auto/emissions/not the latest style), and thus you will get a cheap bike from a Thai. Buying upcountry would get an even cheaper price, at the cost of cleaning the built up dust and more repair required.

Again, my opinion, but I am sure you can follow my logic.

poor guy who started this topic, now has nothing to do with anyone replying "I've got one for sale", that's all he asked for

newf, I cant make this one but im aiming to be down for the next one on monday 9th,

is bira open anyday/everyday other than scheduled event days - for motorcycle riding ?

and what are the track hours?

I'm thinking of renting a CBR600 in Pattaya and riding it to/at the track.

are leathers required, in case I can't find someone to lend/rent me some?

It's short notice but I hope to try and ride on Tuesday or Wednesday next week since I will be there anyway.

Anyone in Pattaya interested in joining me and/or renting me an extra set of leathers/boots/gloves?

thanks

Without adding gasoline to a fire...the SP model of the NSR is indeed rare, or becoming rare. It's an issue of supply and demand. There weren't that many of the SP models made (a whole hell of a lot of the RR models--hence the RR's are cheaper). The SP is now old, and attrition (accidents, abuse, wearing out) took out alot of these bikes. What else? ALOT of these bikes got bought in Thailand and shipped to Australia. They're both good for learners who are on a restricted license, and a bit of collector's bikes. If someone's selling an NSR SP for 50k baht, I can't say that it is a 'fantasy price'. Yeah, I few years ago when I was looking I could find alot of them for less than that. But that is a few years ago. Harder and harder to find. Also keep in mind that a bike that has been regularly maintained and taken care of is of course going to command a higher price. If it is is an immaculate NSR SP I don't think 50,000 baht is unreasonable at all. On the contrary, to think that you could get a mint condition low mileage NSR SP for 15k baht is not quite realistic either. If you get an NSR SP at this price, expect that you will need to do ALOT of work on it.

and the amount of work depends on how reliable, and how well you want your bike to look and perform. Can you stand stock IRC ties, rust and corrosion,cracked scraped fairings, low(ish) top speed, 15 year old cables and piston, cylinder, completely used up suspension and chain, and more?

I cannot but some people can.

A mint condition low mileage SP would be 99% impossible to find, but a completely or heavily restored one - you have a better chance.

Some expensive parts need to be replaced, though, performance with never be the same as new with a 15 year old cylinder crank piston, RC valve never cleaned...etc...

Finally someone who understands, thank you maniac.

For what it's worth, the RR model will satisfy many people who have had 2 strokes or are new to them and the fun they can provide, and overall condition may not be such an issue for them as the fun of simply driving it!

wrong.

@ all: don't feed the trolls

yes dont feed yourself as it was you who diverted the original post right?

you're great at using the smilies, good job!

Of course there's a comparison, we're lucky the same bike is half the price - that is a comparison, and it deals with bike value - get a dictionary.

chai yen, chai yen... :jap:

Just one thing to mention: we are talking about to buy a Bike in THAILAND not AUSTRALIA or somewhere in the world!

These comparisons are useless, as anyone knows. (e.g. identical old 2nd hand cars, sell for less than 30% in Europe compared with Thailand)

I addition, we talk about ~15 years old Bikes. Never seen a 2004 NSR in Thailand.

So I think, the price for a running NSR in a more or less acceptable condition, should not exceed the limit of 20-25 K.

wrong.

Anyone that suggest that selling an NSR for 50k baht in Thailand is ok...is a crook.

You seem to be suggesting that selling an NSR for 50k baht in thailand is ok, so you must want to be a crook.

here's a tampon for you, use it.

If you haven't even seen a bike you can't determine it's value , it you don't like NSR go away, just go away anyway.

Your comment reveals you're about as smart as a 5 year old and wasting everyone's time. Now no one would ever take your advice

or consider your opinion.

It takes 2 people to be 'crooks' if - you don't want something - don't buy it - you know very little must be about 5 years old simply creating pointless words on a page.

Even a thai would find an offer for 50k baht offensive, guess its not just thais that are assumed to be crooks.

Uh, i think you have it backwards, if 50K is a lot and you assume thais are "thrifty" you mean even a foreigner!

Your crook comment is nice, maybe you should go live somewhere where there aren't any!

For what the NSR SP "IS", 50K or $1500 USD is nothing, you can barely buy a nice mountain bike for that.

You cant even buy a new 50 cc dirt bike .

In australia average (these bikes were sold new until around 2004 or so) price is double. parts are triple or have to be sourced from here.

And considering the performance, the (once) new price of these bikes, and parts, most of them are for sale at bargain prices, although in sh*t condition.

If you dont have one to sell why do you have to dilute the topic with useless (incorrect) comments - oh i forgot that's just like 90% of the form users.

have a nice day

Topics like this are normally fielded in the Bikes for sale section.

I'll move it there now.

since someone considering selling a bike or know of someone, may NEVER even look in "bikes for sale" I don't see the wisdom or usefulness of this.

I'm not selling a bike.

What you normally do may be not be the correct thing to do, if the purpose of the post is taken into account, and if you want the forum to be as useful as possible.

With respect. thanks.

I suggest you PM me (click on the icon that looks like an envelope)

that way I can avoid all the advice and useless comments

if you seriously want to sell your bike and not waste time and it is priced realistically for the condition it's in, PM Me

example, I wont pay 22,000 baht for a 20 year old dirty RR model that;s never even had an oil change, does not have the original or proper fairings, etc..

thanks

@bbradsby

I don't want to argue with you about "somchai welded frames" etc. pp.

I think, everyone here, who answered in this thread before, understood my intentions, the why and the how.

And at least, why do you think, I am looking here, in a "Farang-Forum", for a Bike?

If I wanted to have a perfect motorbike, I would buy new. I want something, where I can work/restore/modify/tune/etc.. on.

BOREDOM, you understand?

Ok, now peace and back to the Topic

you cant buy a perfect motorbike in thailand NEW.They're not available, MAYBE an R6, R1,so it's a good thing you dont want one.

Ok, now peace and back to the Topic - if you expect only answers to original question, you've come to the wrong place, as I've found out dozens of times!

good luck, and I can tell you from experience YOU will spend tens of thousands of baht to get something roadworthy, fast, safe, and reliable, oh, not to mention butt-ugly.

even an SP is 15 years old, and assume nobody ever changed even a cable or the oil, and it was kept outside. No cylinder or piston lasts 15 years (2 bikes to back this up)

cheers

Another good day at BIRA today, got to try out the new exhaust and improved my track time a considerable amount. Raced around a few laps with one of the Hideside tours instructors which was a blast but had a little incident with one of the slower thai riders, he didn't see me coming down inside him on the first right hander and through him off balance on the corner and he ended up driving off into the grass and binned his nice Ducati. It looked like he was going wide so i cut inside but he decided to cut tight just as i was going by him. I'm still new to track days so i guess i might have to be a little more carefull when passing the slower riders, a little too unpredictable. All in all a good day.

looks like i might have another free day tomorrow so i was thinking about taking a ride to Thailand circuit if its available or just drop down to BRC for a few laps. Anyone interested drop a line.

Colin

Newf - How long is the drive? Please PM me with real email/phone - trying to get a list of potential partners, share driving/ gas costs, etc.. to travel to different tracks...may move to pattaya in a few months.

What kind of bike, how often do you ride?

jbeck

Looking for places to ride and people to ride with, tracks and trails. Chiang Mai or Pattaya (may move there).

In Thailand, so far, only experienced renting a KLX140L at Chiang Mai motocross in Mae Rim, but I am an experienced rider (7 out of 10?)

KLX seems to be the only affordable NEW dirt bike, seems good enough for smaller, non-supercross (huge jumps) tracks.

Looking for guys with trucks to help me get to the riding areas, will pay for fuel, etc. want to meet other riders,

Also, looking for KNOWN, EXPERIENCED ways to order KLX 140L parts from the USA, and receive them, not have them disappear in the Thai post as in the past.

(not looking for random, untried, suggestions)

OR shops in pattaya that might have them, CHiang mai doesn't have.

I don't have paypal or credit card but can do a bank transfer to the USA.

Parts wanted:

+2 tooth rear sprocket (Brand?) (sunline?)

better chain (Brand?) (Any)

bigger foot pegs (Brand?) (Sunline?)

wider/higher bars and better levers (TAG brand?)

fork springs (BBR)

shock springs (BBR)

engines only (company name) – 160cc piston / cam, valve spring kit

FMF exhaust

engines only (company name) 28mm flatslide carb kit with manifold and cable

Reputable place to bore cylinder (kawasaki dealer?) Have you done it?

Thanks!

If I can get some leathers boots and gloves. I'll be down there on my NSR150, known affectionately as, " The Jalopy ".

Hope the technical aspects of the track make such a humble bike, shall we say, entertaining...

Have you ever been to Thailand Circuit? I think you might find it a lot more fun on the NSR-

Ride On!

Tony

Why would it be better suited to the NSR? I think only the straight sections at Bira the NSR would be lacking in top speed compared to big bikes.

All the other parts of the track, I believe the speed and acceleration of (at least my modified) NSR is quite sufficient for the corner radius and to have fun.

However, there are bumps and the NSR suspension, especially the forks are not very confidence inspiring.

How long a drive from Pattaya to thailand circuit?

I looked at the website but it doesn't state prices or open track days.

thanks for any help

I don't think I said "better suited". I said "more fun".

Loz said that he "hope the technical aspects of the track make such a humble bike, shall we say, entertaining.."

Well, Thailand Circuit was specifically designed for bikes and has a lot more turns than BIRA so even though it's shorter than BIRA, the lap times are slower.

Personally I find Thailand Circuit a lot more fun than BIRA because it's got a lot more variety as opposed to BIRA which is just down the straight, left, right hairpin, right maximus, up the hill, chicane, chicane, right Honda Corner and Right onto the straight. That's a LOT of rights and only ONE left... You'll need to flip your tires after a few sessions at BIRA because it eats the right side of your tires and leaves the left side virtually untouched.

Thailand Circuit in contrast has a lot more variety.

Cost to ride Thailand Circuit is only 900 Baht for all day. Thailand Circuit is open every day. Call 0815669155 or 0874082004 to make sure the track isn't booked for an event and is available.

Ride On!

Tony

I've ridden at Bira, and only there.

For perspective, what speed do you reach on the longest straight at thailand cicruit?

What is the average or gear most often used in the turns, it's not a go kart track is it? are there 3rd, 4th gear turns at least?

What bike are you riding?

Is there a place to store a bike, at the track?

If I live in pattaya, how long do you estimate the drive would be in a truck to thailand circuit?

Like wise, Kaeng Krachan, do you know how far in minutes from pattaya?

Are there other (not go kart tracks) around/between pattaya - BKK?

I am thinking of moving from chiang mai to somewhere where I can ride frequently, at a variety of tracks.

But I do not not know my way around and looking at a map helps a little but not enough.

Also good to know about dirt bike tracks as well if you have any info.

Thanks a lot!

If I can get some leathers boots and gloves. I'll be down there on my NSR150, known affectionately as, " The Jalopy ".

Hope the technical aspects of the track make such a humble bike, shall we say, entertaining...

Have you ever been to Thailand Circuit? I think you might find it a lot more fun on the NSR-

Ride On!

Tony

Why would it be better suited to the NSR? I think only the straight sections at Bira the NSR would be lacking in top speed compared to big bikes.

All the other parts of the track, I believe the speed and acceleration of (at least my modified) NSR is quite sufficient for the corner radius and to have fun.

However, there are bumps and the NSR suspension, especially the forks are not very confidence inspiring.

How long a drive from Pattaya to thailand circuit?

I looked at the website but it doesn't state prices or open track days.

thanks for any help

If you think it would be nice, even if you don't have WE tv, but have a minute to reply, please reply if you think it would be nice to have.

I can then ask them with real feedback (x people from source y, think this is a good idea, would you consider it?)

thanks

jbeck

The NSR-150sp is a quick, fun, reliable & sure handler. And with a suspension upgrade & geometry set-up (YSS, per previous posts) and proper tires, is sure to be a scream & big surprise to larger bikes in track corners! As for tires, I've found in the manufacturer's websites - not necessarily available in LOS - as follows. Front stock is a 90 width, with some clearance to use a larger tire. The rear swingarm more limits tire oversize selection by its close tolerances on the left side. Stock is a 120 width. HOnda list the stock tires as being IRC 90/80/17 & 120/80/17. Let me know if you have any thoughts/alternatives to these

Bridgestone:

Sports: BT-39ss: 90/80/17 & 120/80/17 (don't like the 80 aspect ratio... too tall a sidewall)

Sports: BT-39: 110/70/17 [may fit front...]

Track slicks: R0Z1 90/580/R17 & 120/595/R17 (purpose-built for 125 GP racing)

Pirelli:

Sports: Sport Demon 100/80/17 & 130/70/17 (not sure of cornering feel with this mix of 80 front & 70 rear aspect ratios)

Street/sport?: MT-75: 90/80/17 & 13/70/17 (again, mixed aspect ratios; also, would love to hear any reviews of these tires since Pirelli's website description is vague to say the least)

Jeff, what rubber ya running and where did you get your intake for the 32mm carb? If I could add some ponies w/ a bit of effort short of sistering three engines together ala the old Kawi H2 widowmaker... hey, there's an idea!

Can you PM me this same post - we can take this discussion to regular email... and if you want, include your email and phone number.

thanks

Jeff

FSX was a revamped late model NSR that has similar styling to the LS125. I saw one around here in Huey Kwang; looked quite nice. Google 'Honda FSX150'. Any decent Honda main dealer should help you out; if they have a decent sized workshop they should be used to getting parts!

I don't see why resizing new bushes to fit old forks is a 'hack'. New bushes are designed for new forks, if you put them on old forks they will be too big. Quite simple. As a race mechanic you will know that things don't always fit together properly and adaptation is sometimes required. Its certainly not the first time I have had to modify parts (including so called original parts). The alternative is new forks or inner forks; much more expensive. If someone chooses to go the more expensive route then its their choice, so I am not sure why you are so rude about my fix? Its not as if I am forcing anyone to do anything? Forks had been leaking for months and the oil doesn't end up on the tyres. If anything the oil gets in the brake pads and reduces your braking as it soaks into the pads. That's what I experienced (and also on another bike that I replaced seals on).

so, what's the difference in price? Didn't you want advice? I offered straightforward advice, I was not rude. And my advice was to buy the new proper parts. Rude? Ok, whatever makes you happy.

Internal fork parts are so cheap I got nsr fork springs for 60 baht each from Honda.

Good luck (again: straightforward, not rude)

if someone personally knows bbradsby, can you ask him to answer my question about the tire brand, model,and size he uses at bira on his NSR?

Tried asking on the forum and PMed him already...

Thanks

jbeck

Hi Jeff! sorry, was off-line for a few... I'm currently on the stock IRC's, and not happy about it. Needless to say, I wasn't tossing it into the corners with the abandon I'd like til I get some real shoes for my baby! But I ran about 25 psi in them and cooked them up pretty good, with some nice gummy bears clinging to the right edge of the tires at session's end. That's a right-hander track for sure!

I'm researching proper tires at the moment, and have found some likely suspects - will post my findings when I get lucky! What have you found to be best track rubber for the NSR sp?

All the best,

BDB, now, mostly riding through the Chiang mai mountains, been at bira once on a GSXR 750.

out here in CM it's hard to get heat into the tires in the mountains, or to get 'fun' lean angles due to cooler temps, sheer drop offs, or cliffs walls right next to you, and poor road conditions (unexpected, occasional sand and gravel).

Like I said earlier, I've have no confidence with my Thai made $2900/set Michelin Pilot Sportys: 90/80, 130/70, but maybe they are not getting enough heat in them.

I'd like to send my bike down from Chiang Mai to Pattaya - for a week or 2, do you know if I can keep it at the track - safely - perhaps with another guy who rents a 'garage' there?

Anyone you can put me in touch with there? Please PM me if you know someone I can contact, with their info.

How many laps or days do you put on your IRC tires before changing them? Do you just ride your bike there at the track?

I'm looking into ordering Japanese made Dunlop TT 900 GP (90/80, 120/80) and or Japanese made Bridgestone Battlax BT39 SS (90/80, 120/80) .

I'm really surprised the IRCs offer any grip at all, is your knee down through the turns at bira ( interested in lean angle of the tires, not your skill )

Thanks,

Jeff Beck

My True Visions package has many sports channels that broadcast F1, Le Mans, ALMS, Dakar, WRC, Moto GP, Isle of Man TT, sailing, Australian V8s, and flat dirt track racing.

Never seen WSBK though.

Mostly its all on the True Sports channels which I think are coming over from Singapore.

If you can get True Visions, its time to switch companies.

which package is that? Had true before but no motorcycle racing. How much is it per month?

It is somethingI really miss over here, it is so hard to get WSBK and motoGP, I would hope the situation improves

thanks!

If more people respond perhaps WE TV may do something about it !!

Then just reply here. I would like to know your thoughts, maybe they would show them if they knew there was enough interest.

Talking about motoGP and WSBK races.

They have sports channels but I have not seen them broadcast any motorcycle races this season

They showed show some motogp races last season, and some of the other network show the races.

Just to show your support, let me know your thoughts ASAP!

Hurry, before the season is over!

Thanks,

jbeck

If you would like to see MotoGP and WSBK races on WE TV, please reply to this thread with your name and location.

I will print and deliver a petition (of sorts) to them at their office in Chiang Mai, to see if we can get them to air the races, because they can.

I see other sporting events on their sport channels, from Eurosport and Eurosport2 , which air the motorcycle races.

I don't know if the programming is different or of they have WE TV in Bangkok, etc, but that's okay.

Just reply with your name if you want to help out.

Hurry, before the season is over!

Thanks,

jbeck

Bugger, I am confused. I bought a yss cbr shock and its 260mm not 265mm. Not the same as the yss site. Then again the site says the SP shock should be 260mm but in fact mine was fitted with a 265mm. I am not sure if I should fit it and just try it out or take it back and try and get a longer one? Paid 850 baht. Your shock will be much more expensive. Certainly the RR one isn't good enough because I hit road bumps when the gf is on the back; anyway the bike is like a dog now.

I have rebuilt the forks once already. New seals and teflon coated bushes. However they still leak, so figure its not the seals/dust caps. Trouble is the upper bushes were wider than the forks meaning sidewards movement and the oil gets squirted out through the gap; either the bushes are not right or more likely the fork is worn down. So what I did yesterday is I forced open the top bush with a screwdriver and filed 0.8mm off the edge. This means it can get a closer fit round the fork. Then I cut a strip of tin off a Birdy can and slide that between the bush and the fork body. I kept cutting it down until I get a good fit with the bush and fork. Only did one for as a test (the worse leaking one); it takes much more time than a rebuild since you need to get the sizing right. Put 200ml of oil in it (lowish); done about 10km since and so far its dry. It would not be the first time I have had Honda Thailand parts that are not up to spec, and anyway you would think they would do different sizes to cater for wear? I will test it out a couple of weeks before doing the other one. Otherwise the alternative is probably new forks.

Hello MayChai and Bradsby,

Please tell me where I can get Honda FSX 150's parts? sorry, I know it is not the right thread to ask

thanks

Unless you enjoy this sort of thing, sell it and get an NSR 150 SP or something that you can just ride!! Nobody should have to do anything special just to get the stock forks to work.

What you describe is 'hack' repairs, what if the oil leaks on to the front tire in a turn?

I got your point but Im not going to repair the front forks, I just want to buy front fender , cowl of this bike and hoping somebody will tell me where I can get the parts... thanks anyway. if you wanna help, tell me where is the Honda part shop that still have the parts available? detail please how to get there, name of the store, the address...

ANY DECENT HONDA shop with parts dept can order parts from bangkok if they don't have them in stock.