jbeck

Does anybody have an idea as to why my chain becomes very slack within a fortnight of having it adjusted. It's a newish chain & sprockets, but will not stay adjusted.

Chain will stretch to the point of requiring adjustment every 400 kms or less if you accelerate hard.

Chains do not "stretch", the roller pins wear.

The chain size on a CBR is overkill for the power it produces.

So you must have gotten a poor quality chain or are adjusting it improperly. How many times has this happened?

What does 'newish' mean?

My understanding (limited) is that Greater Cubic capacity increases tourque, but yes, also my understanding, is longer stroke than bore gives greater tourque than short stroke larger bore. (allows for higher revs..I think)

shorter stroke allows for higher revs because it reduces the inertial force that the mass (piston) has to overcome every time it changes direction.

But anyway, it is overkill to change the stroke of your engine - are you racing? What are you trying to accomplish?

Look at the parts available on faddybike or asean moto for an idea how to reliably increase power.

A lot of younger kids use stroker pins to increase the stroke length on sonics and waves. Because it's a cheap mod and they can't afford to do it properly (cam, carb, pipe, CDI, etc) - I think...

Tom at G3 (Chiangmai) freaked me out a bit today.

I was asking him if there was anything else I could do to my bike to make it faster. Other than cams - I don't want to do cams...

He told me that he could make it into a 250cc.

40,000 baht

Yamaha R1 piston, new cylinder, lengthen the connecting rod (same stroke), re-seat the valves. That's it.

Tom said that the tranny could take it.

He also told me that some people are taking a Steed 600 piston, and could turn my 166 (your 150) into a 300cc single.

Wow

What happens when you have such a large bore in relationship to the stroke?

Tom said more torque, but I read that torque increased from stroke. But what do I know?!?

do NOT do this, unless you have another bike to use when this one self destructs.

If you want the bike to go faster: cams, carb, CDI, pipe - bore up, head porting, gearing - same recipe for any bike.

And best to do all - one mod alone really will not do it.

Also, torque increases with displacement and cam timing, engine design, etc...

Like a v-twin Ducati has more low end torque than an 4 cylinder R1.

I wouldn't worry about torque on your CBR.

what/where is G3?

Go to the gt-rider.com website and ask your questions. There are countless dirt roads up north around Pai in all directions. I think Mr. GT-Rider has got a new edition of his Mae Hong Song Loop map out there for sale as a starting point. And if you enjoy being off the pavement then forget about getting to Pai through Mae Tang on the tedious Hwy 1095 and head up to Wat Chan through Samoeng and then down into Pai.

Indeed, if this is off-road, then there are still countless tracks.

Well are there many areas to ride within easy reach of Chiang Mai old city as well?

Anyone out there willing to show me some of the closer ones?

thanks,

Jbeck

This is my friend Peter from Switzerland. Old fellow with many experiances. He also makes the very good hammocks. Last week only his staff was in the shop in the walking street in Pai, so I didn´t met him this year yet. But I´m pretty sure, he´s still in business. Still rides the old KDX 200 and he knows every track around Pai. But indeed, the most old fantastic dirt tracks are now big dusty roads with no fun anymore. Offcourse there are several single tracks in Huay nam dang, but not so many than a few years ago. Are U a new citizien in Pai? We are nearly every month in that area. www.off-roadtours.de

Hi,

Well I can't read the website because it is not in english, is there a name and phone number of a person I can call in Pai or Thailand?

Thanks.

You could try to do a sprocket & chain conversion..

The change in pick up would be significant

IMO Cheapest / safest mod to protect the integrity of the engine.

I would get an X1R

Sure you could try! OMG!

I hope the original poster CAREFULLY considers the advice on this forum!

Cheap and safe to convert a CVT bike to a chain and sprocket?

How about designing and machining all the custom parts, the cost, and will you throw away the entire transmission box that the rear wheel is attached to?

Honestly this is totally ridiculous.

AND The OP was only asking about getting a little more power out of an airblade!

I have questions about riding in the area surrounding Pai.

I want to ride trails and ride offroad.

I'd like to get in touch with dirt riders that live there, or that have first hand information, that can answer some simple questions about living/riding there.

Please let me know if you can help and I'll PM you.

thanks,

jbeck

Just to add: If you do buy any aftermarket parts such as an exhaust system then check it is stamped as road legal. It should have a round emblem embossed in the metal. It is I suppose the equivalent of the TUV stamp in Europe.

A farang with an aftermarket pipe is worth at least 1000 baht to the cops. "Too Noisy!". However when you point at the stamp on the exhaust there is much satisfaction to be gained from watching their face drop. Which is usually short lived unless you have an International Driving License handy.

A little more realistically, this is dependent on the province . . .and the cop.

Are you trying to scare the OP?

I don't have any stamp on my aftermarket exhaust and have never had a ticket with my airblade, in 7 months driving in Chiang Mai town..

It is pretty loud, but only when throttle is wide open.

I've even gotten a ticket for no helmet, but no mention about the exhaust.

Aftermarket pipes in Thailand: NMF, Endurance, DBS, have no such " stamped as road legal" -at least I've never seen one.

I have seen stock exhaust muffler outer chrome "covers" welded OVER stainless steel aftermarket exhausts.

A sonic muffler is a good example.

Saving weight (realistically- on a street legal bike) can NOT give you the same performance as a bigger piston, pipe, cam, carb, and CDI.

Other than the pipe, which doesn't weight 50 kilos BTW, there's not much to take off to save weight.

And what if you ride with a passenger? Or you weigh alot?

If you want a faster bike, a pipe alone will mostly only make it louder, really. You need more.

For an airblade/click (same engine) there's a limit to the piston size if you dont want to bore the cases - you can NOT do a 170cc motor by modifying the top end alone. And it wouldn't work without a bigger carb, pipe, and the stock CDI limits the top speed as well.

I hope there's no more posts about that miata!

jbeck

I notice you have fitted an aftermarket gearchanger

can you please tell me what make/ model it is, where you bought it from, the price

and did you have to modify anything to make it fit.

same info for the adjustable clutch and brake levers if you would be so kind.

nui rearsets from akunar.com - i i didnt modify anything but - the kickstarter hits the footpeg!

morin levers from (one of the many) bike shops in the bike shop area outside bangkok - patumthani?

to the original poster, here is a picture of my restored raider..not an especially great pic.

Restored...down to almost every nut and bolt, actually not finished yet.

Even has new fork tubes, clutch springs, plates, cable, every available bearing, brake discs, brake pads, all new plastics, YSS 4-way adjustable shock, nui rearsets, adjustable brake and clutch levers, super sticky tires.

I'll probably be selling it in April, located in chiang mai. Runs beautifully, 140KPH on flat ground. But, it won't be cheap.

PM me if interested.

jbeck

Ok, do you or anyone know a good place in Chiang Mai to get it serviced? English is a bonus ;-)

the honda dealer near central airport shopping plaza, ask for kuhn "mee"

One mod which would definatley be a bonus which I failed to mention. A Scottoiler. It's a small tank of L.O. that has a pipe attached to the suction of the carb. As you open it up and the vacum increases it put an increasing amount of lube oil on your rear sprocket. A miniscule amount. It trebles the amount of chain life and adjustment periods. Being a bit dusty here it's ideal. I have one on my 750 back in the UK and has been a Godsend.

Happy and Safe riding.

I've thought about installing a chain oiler on my CBR150 because I very much dislike the job of oiling the chain. And I don't really trust local mechanics to use the specified oil. What are folks using here in Thailand for continuous chain oilers?

This is a waste of money! You don't need to oil an o-ring (sealed) chain, much less continually.

Just keep it clean and spray a little oil on the surface. You can't penetrate the seals to lubricate the pins anyway.

A really good chain is a good investment, go for light weight and gold plates to resist rust. a DID, regina, EK, AFAM, etc...

And learn when to change it - a common mistake is to keep the same chain for years...

I've been around bikes, excellent mechanics, and winning racers my whole life, never known anyone that used a chain oiler, even on non-sealed chains. The only application I know of is desert racing and enduro racing, a la baja 500.

jbeck

I'd trade bikes and forget about modifying the engine. The Mazda Miata sports car is considered to be the most reliable car in Mazda's entire lineup. It's been offered since 1990 and throughout all those years it's undergone constant improvement and today I'd have to rate it as the finest all around sports car you can buy. I've had two of them, the latest being a Special edition 2002 with 143 horsepower and a six speed overdrive transmission. I think the latest model develops 170 horses. My first Miata was a 1992 model and I wound up putting practically 150,000 miles on it before getting the 2002 model when its transmission failed me. Miata transmissions simply don't fail and hardly anything else does either.

I had souped the car up. After all it only had 116 horsepower and a 1600 c.c. engine (the new ones are 2000 cc's). First improvement was an aftermarket exhaust that reputedly would add 5 extra ponies. Then I put a nifty air intake device on it that was being sold by Jackson Racing. The idea was to bring cool air into the engine and it supposedly gave the Miata an extra 12 to 15 horsepower. That made perfectly good sense to me because I knew from experience that tractors pulled better in the field at night when the air got cooler. But I just had to go a couple of steps better. I had a Sebring supercharger put on it. But in order to handle the extra horsepower I had to have larger wheels and tires put on the car also. The effect on my Miata's performance was incandescent. The little four cylinder engine now behaved like a V-8. Whereas before I could idle around town comfortably at 40 miles an hour in fifty gear I could now do it at 30 miles an hour. Before I could top out at about 118 miles an hour at something like 6000 rpm's. Now the car would do precisely 139 miles an hour and then the rev limiter would kick in which would immediately starve the engine of fuel. It was like hitting a brick wall and who knows how fast that Miata would go if it never had the rev limiter. But it was doing over 7200 rpm's in fifth at that 139 miles an hour.

I blew not one, but three engines because of that supercharger. The first time was at 139 miles an hour. My theory is that Mazda never designed the Miata to do 7200 rpms for extended periods of time. Sure, when you go through the gears you are going to hit 7200 rpm's for a second or two but then you are going to shift to a higher gear thus reducing your rpms. But if you are accelerating say from 100 miles an hour to 139 it's going to take quite a few seconds to do it and that puts a huge strain on the engine. From then on I'd never do more than 120 with the car but I still blew two more engines. I wound up having a nice header put on and had the supercharger taken off. The car became very reliable again taking me clear across the U.S. several times with no mishaps. And then the transmission completely failed me and I got the new Miata.

There is no question that Mazda designed that transmission to handle only 116 horsepower plus a few extra ponies to provide a safety margin. Now I was expecting it to handle 180 to 190 horsepower and not only that, unlike most turbochargers a supercharger provides a lot more torque at lower rpm levels.

An Air Blade is a very nice machine as is. If you needed more horsepower you should never have gotten it in the first place. Same same for my Yamaha Nouvo Elegance. It offers excellent acceleration for me with my girlfriend riding behind me at all speeds I'm willing to go in or around Pattaya. If I wanted more power I wouldn't hesitate and I'd get the Kawasaki ER6n.

Sorry I have to be honest here...You blew up three engines but your telling this guy HE made a mistake? I find this amusing. YOU would get a ER6n, how does that help the guy asking the question? There's no comparison other than they both have 2 wheels. The Kawasaki is not a scooter and costs about ten times the price.

Yeah the idea that the MX5 / Miata is some pinnacle of driver car is a bit of a joke..

In the UK its considered a hairdressers car. Nice for the wife but...

S2000 nice little roadster and still under boxster / 911 money.

The hair dresser's car

I think a lot of people over there are not "switched on." My whole point was to show it think it's a mistake to soop up an Air Blade by using my Miata experiences as an example. When I bought my 2002 Special edition I got it in the 6 speed overdrive transmission feeling it would run forever. At cars.com I'm coming up with a suggested retail price for brand new 2010 Mazda Miatas of $22648 and for the Honda S2000 $35705. So for those who want to pay nearly double the price they can talk all they want about hair dressers and women driving Miatas. Truth is the S2000 is not a real man's car. Sure it is going to go fast. It might even do well at the top light but one has to be content with carrying one's purse in the luggage compartment. Here's a little reading for you. Start with Forbes Magazine which likes the "much cheaper Miata but doesn't particularly care for the Honda. Forbes U.S. News ranks the Miata as number one out of 5 "affordable sports cars" U.S. News Here's what Car Connection Car Connectionhas to say about the S2000,

"The 2009 Honda S2000 is one of the least practical mass-production cars on the planet. There's almost no interior or trunk storage, the cockpit's more cramped than the coach seats on a Boeing 757, and it's priced above $30,000. It is a classic roadster sportscar with rear-wheel drive, a ragtop to open on sunny days, a six-speed manual transmission, and a rev-happy four-cylinder engine."

Car and Driver has this to say.

• 
  Lows
  Wind it up or there isn't much power, tiring cabin noise, starting to feel old. Car and Driver.
  

Here's what Edmunds has to say about the Miata: Edmunds "Although not as stylish or powerful as General Motors' roadster twins, the 2009 Mazda MX-5 Miata is still unequaled when it comes to overall driving enjoyment and refinement."

Lastly----I routinely drove 1000 miles non stop with my Miatas. Example---I'd drive 1100 miles from St. Louis to Connecticut, Philadelphia, New York etc to do photo shoots at East Coast night clubs. My trunk held my full size suitcase plus a large camera bag chock full of heavy cameras, flashes, two tripods with umbrellas and other equipment or I'd travel most of the way to Las Vegas in the other direction to attend conventions, once again with all my gear. Now, the S2000 might be fine for chest thumpers wanting to tool around on a little island such as England playing boy racer and stoplight king where the driving distances are very short but it's not a car for a thinking type of guy who wants a a very competent reliable sports car he can actually go out and drive in a variety of circumstances while enjoying every minute of it. The S2000 is more of a dick substitute than real driver's car.

My airblade has a different cylinder, piston, valves, CDI, carb, cam, and exhaust.

A matched kit.

IT'S GREAT!

Your comparison is out of context.

Depending on what people like and want, it's not a mistake.

So what did you do to your Air Blade? I see nothing in this thread that indicates what kind of modifications you have made. "It is great." How so?

if you read my post, you'd see the mods listed clearly above! The original post is what matters. He is the one seeking help and advice, so I've PM'd him directly. I've addressed your post only to let him know buying an airblade is not a mistake as you say, and that this is a bike forum. My use of the forum is clearly not the same as yours. That's okay, but who wants to read about "your opinions about" a miata in a bike forum?

Point made. I was referring to those who'd call a Miata a hair dresser's car. I might make the point about Skydiving. Skydiving is not a very practical means of getting to point A or B. But it is an extremely exhilarating sport, guaranteed to get the adrenaline going. No car or motorcycle can begin to thrill like Skydiving but if I had to come as close as possible I might pick a Ferrari. But the price of one is beyond reason for most of us. To expand on the skydiving-Ferrari example if one has the money and wants to spend it on the S2000 because of the sound of the engine, he liked the sound of the engine, he likes its performance on a twisty road, all the power to him. It's a fine sports car for what it is. However, if you check the internet for reviews on the Miata and the @2000 you will find the Miata wins hands down in terms of price, in terms of being a fun car to drive, in terms of reliability, and in terms of being an everyday car you can drive while carrying a significant amount of luggage. And short of a race car nothing handles better than a Miata. There are sports cars that will handle as good, but none better. I can honestly say that if someone were to give me a sports car and I had to be responsible for its upkeep, paying for gas, etc and I could not resell it, I'd take the Miata over the Honda, a Mercedes or a Porsche any day. As much as I like German engineering the German cars are much more problem prone and costly to maintain. (But I think I'd better get back on subject in future posts).

I don't need to check the internet, I have first hand experience of both cars. You obviously loved your Miata's and nothing wrong with that, however I couldn't disagree more when you assert it's the better handling and more of a drivers car.

You misread me I said nothing handles better than a Miata and was very clear that some (although very few) sports cars handle as well. I also allowed that the S2000 is an enthusiasts car. But there's no question that the Miata will carry a lot more (luggage) and for this reason alone is more practical. It is also far cheaper. And more fun to drive for most people due to many factors including its ability to get the power it does have at lower rpms.

Hey this is a bike forum....

Yeah the idea that the MX5 / Miata is some pinnacle of driver car is a bit of a joke..

In the UK its considered a hairdressers car. Nice for the wife but...

S2000 nice little roadster and still under boxster / 911 money.

The hair dresser's car

I think a lot of people over there are not "switched on." My whole point was to show it think it's a mistake to soop up an Air Blade by using my Miata experiences as an example. When I bought my 2002 Special edition I got it in the 6 speed overdrive transmission feeling it would run forever. At cars.com I'm coming up with a suggested retail price for brand new 2010 Mazda Miatas of $22648 and for the Honda S2000 $35705. So for those who want to pay nearly double the price they can talk all they want about hair dressers and women driving Miatas. Truth is the S2000 is not a real man's car. Sure it is going to go fast. It might even do well at the top light but one has to be content with carrying one's purse in the luggage compartment. Here's a little reading for you. Start with Forbes Magazine which likes the "much cheaper Miata but doesn't particularly care for the Honda. Forbes U.S. News ranks the Miata as number one out of 5 "affordable sports cars" U.S. News Here's what Car Connection Car Connectionhas to say about the S2000,

"The 2009 Honda S2000 is one of the least practical mass-production cars on the planet. There's almost no interior or trunk storage, the cockpit's more cramped than the coach seats on a Boeing 757, and it's priced above $30,000. It is a classic roadster sportscar with rear-wheel drive, a ragtop to open on sunny days, a six-speed manual transmission, and a rev-happy four-cylinder engine."

Car and Driver has this to say.

• 
  Lows
  Wind it up or there isn't much power, tiring cabin noise, starting to feel old. Car and Driver.
  

Here's what Edmunds has to say about the Miata: Edmunds "Although not as stylish or powerful as General Motors' roadster twins, the 2009 Mazda MX-5 Miata is still unequaled when it comes to overall driving enjoyment and refinement."

Lastly----I routinely drove 1000 miles non stop with my Miatas. Example---I'd drive 1100 miles from St. Louis to Connecticut, Philadelphia, New York etc to do photo shoots at East Coast night clubs. My trunk held my full size suitcase plus a large camera bag chock full of heavy cameras, flashes, two tripods with umbrellas and other equipment or I'd travel most of the way to Las Vegas in the other direction to attend conventions, once again with all my gear. Now, the S2000 might be fine for chest thumpers wanting to tool around on a little island such as England playing boy racer and stoplight king where the driving distances are very short but it's not a car for a thinking type of guy who wants a a very competent reliable sports car he can actually go out and drive in a variety of circumstances while enjoying every minute of it. The S2000 is more of a dick substitute than real driver's car.

My airblade has a different cylinder, piston, valves, CDI, carb, cam, and exhaust.

A matched kit.

IT'S GREAT!

Your comparison is out of context.

Depending on what people like and want, it's not a mistake.

Check www.cbr150thailand.com. also some people are saying the Pirelli MT75's are good they are available from show pow, bangkok

chiang mai biker shop can have a set arrive in one day, from michelin, also does dunlop japan.

And he's a nice guy, speaks english, but he doesn't install them.

I've bought 2 sets from him.

For anyone wanting to turn their bike (performance-wise), the stock size is the best size.

For looks and straight line driving and potholes, a bigger size would work.

I'm tired of everyone saying how bigger is better, but I don't want to start an argument on-line - I'm providing an alternate viewpoint for those that haven't convinced themselves of this fallacy yet.

The bigger sizes sacrifice turning because of profile, and weight.

Heavier unsprung weight means the suspension cannot work as well.

Heavier means you lose rear wheel HP/acceleration since the engine has to spin a rear tire with more mass. Laws of physics.

But - maybe you can't tell - it depends on how you drive your bike.

Driving up and down Doi Suthep at a brisk pace it is very noticeable.

In traffic, slowly, in a straight line, maybe not.

Cheers...

gary 74....I sold everything and moved here about a year ago.

After my first visit here, it only took me a few months go home, sell everything, and move here.

My first recommendation is to "live" here for a few months, live as you would if you really do move here, not as a tourist.

Don't stay in a hotel, or spend money like you're on vacation.

Secondly, can you always simply move back ? Well then, the answer is pretty easy.

Third, I don't know where you're moving from BUT after a little while, I am bored - except with the girlfriend options, the food, and the inexpensive cost of living.

jbeck

You paid 25,000b for a 2t Honda LS. jeeeeeezzzz they really DID see you coming didn't they. It's worth about 15,000thou MAX (CLOSER TO 12,000B).

Still at least you got wheels and made the shop keeper VERY HAPPY.

I hope you got the usual freebies the crap helmet,jacket etc.

DONT forget the 2t oil and DO NOT use gasahol.

Safe riding

Oh well, mai pen rai. I did ask here the day before I promised to buy her, and no answers, and I caught seven buses all around Rayong and Maptaphut with all kinds of madness before I found a shop owned by some trustworthy people, and although the price was high, (I realise), I know already that the man and woman that run that shop are JAI DEE, and they will be sure to do the right thing by me throughout these short months that I own that old bike (name is Dao to go with the five-spoke mags like stars), and Mr Chalore already offered to pay back 16,500 on the 18,000 THB bike (sonic) I had been looking at all morning and agreed to buy for lack of anything else around, before I saw Dao as I was saying goodbye until they had time to get the rego sorted out.

I'd rather pay 25,000 to deal with good honest people than pay 12,500 to put up with ratbags, and they knew it, and I paid everything the asked, and even when Mrs Chalore told me that they would discount the 400 baht helmet to 300 baht, and I said 'NO! SEE ROI OKAY!' and they insisted. It costs more to deal with decent people but I won't get ripped off in the long run if I look after that bike and need a shop to buy her back when I have to leave Thailand. Too bad none of youse came up with a better idea yesterday, eh?

Hmm. Are you making this up? What does this 'story' have todo with CBR's. This is thread dilution and a waste of bandwidth and (many) people's time. Everytime you post - we all get email notification - I find off-topic stories annoying. This belongs somehwere else.

My opinion only...and I don't desire to wage an online battle about it.

"Shell Advance Ultra 2T Motor Cycle Oil (2T injector oil)" is 4T Fully Synthetic according to my oils book, & its PTT (& MOTUL 300V) equivalent is Challenger Synthetic 4T 5W-40.

According to my book, Shell do not make a fully synthetic 2T motorbike oil for regular supply in Thailand, only: PTT, Castrol, ELF & VELOIL.

FAQ's about engine oils here.

http://www.oilsandsprays.com/shell-advance...e-oil-113-p.asp

But anyway, my original question is still (mostly?) valid? Thanks.

Shell Advance Ultra 2T Motor Cycle Oil (2T injector oil)

The shell stations (2) I went to had other Advance oils but not ULTRA (full synthetic)

MOTUL 710 2T (2T injector oil full synthetic)

MOTUL transoil expert 10w-40 (gear oil for 2T engines)

MOTUL FORK OIL FACTORY LINE (synthetic fork oil)

Very Light / Light / Light-Medium / Medium

Does anyone know a shop that has in Chiang Mai, or will order for me ?

Thanks,

jbeck

The gears have started to become a little bit grindy/sticky on my cbr when changing gear. I just checked the manual and it doesn't mention how to oil them up. Or should it be the lever connection that needs to be oiled?

Anyway, how is best advised to oil your gears? Remove the engine cover on the left hand side until you find them, then let loose with a bottle of WD40?

Thanks.

If you are not joking, best advice for you is to take your bike to the honda dealer.

My question, still, is about the brand names of the injection T (long acting as well as other choices) that can be purchased in pharmacies here in LOS.

thanks,

That's a pretty simple question which deserves a simple answer.

The gold standard of injectable Testosterone in Thailand is "Testoviron Depot" manufactured by Bayer Schering Pharma AG, Berlin, Germany. Its chemical name is "Testosterone Enanthate". Its claimed the duration of action is approximately 2 - 4 weeks. The reason it is so popular is because it can be injected once every 2 or 3 weeks. It is far cheaper than the oral Testoviron testacaps and more effective.

There are other choices of injectable testosterone available too. Some are black market, some are copies and some could be fake or of poor quality.

You don't start on injectable testosterone and then stop. There's no point to that. You do it for life, or you don't do it at all, and you only do it if your natural production is below normal...which in fact is the case for most over 50's anyway. It is part of a "Hormone replacement therapy" (HRT) for older men.

There is an abundance of information about this product on the Internet, so Google and learn. It seems to be the drug of choice for HRT or TRT in Thailand. They stock it at Fascino and I believe it is over-the-counter, but I may be wrong, so you can go in and ask. Their price is usually higher than what you find at hole-in-the-wall pharmacies around town.

There is a cheaper Thai copy of this product which is also readily available.

My local pharmacy has Testoviron Depot for 1,800 baht and I don't need a prescription.

My test was 350 ng/dl with a "claimed normal" range of 71-622 for my age (50+).

There is a cheaper Thai copy of this product which is also readily available.

Did you mean cheaper than/better than "Andriol Testocaps" ?

What would you expect the price difference to be for both the real and the copy products - at a small pharmacy?

Assuming my doctor isn't interested in administering HRT for me (claims my levels are fine and/or has other motivation) or can't recommend a doctor, do you have any suggestions if I don't want to do it myself?

Thanks

Well there is a thing about using above recomended dose. The initial boost feeling will go away. You cant continue using a cure indefinatly. You natural production will suffer resulting in side-effects when you get off the treatment. This is when your brain will start messing up since that feeling of well being is gone, and might even be replaced with a full blown depression and risk of joining the free fall club. Use these things only with medical supervision.

Hi,

My post was answer to the previous post about how long to feel effects.

I read that these caps are very mild, for extended TRT at the recommended dose and basically can be used indefinitely, and unlike injections, do not produce side effects in those that are using them for TRT at the recommended dose.

My question, still, is about the brand names of the injection T (long acting as well as other choices) that can be purchased in pharmacies here in LOS.

thanks,