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19 minutes ago, puipuitom said:
When Corbyn would NOT insist to be the next (temporary) PM, the discussion would be over already and Boris playing somewhere..
yes , but that count for the other opposition party's too , if they do not work together, "you know in our country's the saying about "when two dogs fighting for a bone ...the third one (dog )…..etc
It's a pity SinFein does not take their seats in H.O.C. I would like to see the DUP faces ….
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2 hours ago, nontabury said:
Perhaps because our European friends are worried on two fronts.
1/ Loss Of our charitable contributions.
2/ Other E.U. Countries will follow our example.
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2/ Other E.U. Countries will follow our example."2/ That shall stay only a dream for ever after the world see the mess you made out of the U.K. now 5555 lol
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1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:
It is nothing to do with taking sides. Its just carrying out her formal constitutional duties. She will agree to the request, under advisement from her ministers. To do otherwise would cause a constitutional crisis and put the monarchy in jeopardy
Just like it became now ….
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Should it not be the moment now for SinFein to go and take their seats anyway and give up the principals up for a higher purpose …? must be a nice time to oppose the DUP....( na....... just wishful thinking....lol) maybe J.C can give them a call ..?
BTW how many seats they are entitled if taken ?????
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33 minutes ago, vogie said:
I can only go on what the EU have been telling us for the latter stages of the May regime and now Boris reign. As for evolving, it seems we have hit a brick wall with the EU, maybe now they now realise that Boris means business and he means what he says. Whatever the remainers may say, for Boris to take over the Tory Party with very little ammunition, he has and still is playing a blinder, the Tories are streets ahead of any other party, it is very understandable why remainers dislike the man, he is trying his best to preserve democracy, I just hope he succeeds.
Boris does go nothing achieve with the E.U. by this closing parliament , as this is not done in any western democracy and sure not on a so decisive politic moment , it is a shame for Western democracy ….don't call yourselves anymore a democracy as you close down what you call " mother of all parliaments "
The E.U. shall condemn this strongly ...so how you go to benefit from this politic "coup".It seems British pride is no more existing ….
Do not laugh anymore with our Italians , or even Thai junta … as this is not worthy to call a democratic country government
The days of British fame seems gone today
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5 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:Here's a definition for you:
Britishness: a thousand years of mad monarchs, the legacy of Agincourt, Poitiers and Waterloo, two World Wars and all the others, the travails and triumphs of the empire and the industrial revolution, Shakespeare and Austen and Wordsworth, Newton and Darwin, all the pioneers and explorers who made the place great; England is country lanes and stately homes, cathedrals and crumbling castles, duck ponds in Hardyesque villages, the White Cliffs and the White Horse, church bells on Sunday mornings, bluebells in spring, the wind in the willows, sheep on the common, sausage rolls and pork pies, fish and chips on the prom, rain on holidays, football, messing around in boats, George Formby, Dad’s Army and the Two Ronnies, Vera Lynn and the Beatles, The Queen on Christmas Day, freckle-faced kids, prim aunts and bluff uncles, horses and bulldogs, Sherlock Holmes and Watson, Tom Brown's schooldays, Swallows and Amazons, Pooh sticks, wry idioms, ribald humour and teasing, a unique gentility and forthrightness, the squire having a warm pint in a country pub. And perhaps above all, decency, honour, and grace in adversity.
If you don't recognise all of that in your heritage, you're not British.
All past things …… what about future ones …. and please forget present one as it's the laughing stock of the world now and even on his way to having a dictator as PM.
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6 minutes ago, Forethat said:
Wow, I bet Juncker didn't expect that.
I bet Theresa May is taking notes now...
"Wow, I bet Juncker didn't expect that."
This will not change a thing on their stance , only getting more strange opinions about the present British government
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7 minutes ago, Enoon said:
No.
She does so in matters in the "outer world" of the Commonwealth (sacking Gough Whitlam and de-homing the people of Diego Garcia for instance. Both carried out by "Orders in Council") but not in the UK with regard to anything of such importance.
In the UK she "unilaterally" appoints university chancellors, orders the moving of a cemetery boundary and other things of low significance and controversy.
She will kick it back to Parliament.
And anyone unwise enough to ask her to "take sides" will never get a retirement Knighthood, or any other royal honour.
"And anyone unwise enough to ask her to "take sides" will never get a retirement Knighthood, or any other royal honour."
So no Sir Boris Or lord Boris ? ….. well that's already 1 great consolation to know the ego tripper is blocked to that ????
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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:So much for wanting the UK to be governed by Parliament.
Yes,..... and those hardcore brexiteers calling the E.U. undemocratic …..????????????
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Just now, Rookiescot said:
Wonder what would happen if she just said "No".
Not enough ….. she just should sack him , she has the power to that …..but …….
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1 minute ago, Pilotman said:It's not a case of her taking sides, 'prorogation; is the term and it is for the Government to request it and the Queen, as Constitutional Head of State, to grant it. It has been done before and although the opposition and the remoaners will no doubt scream blue murder, it's a wise decision, given that the UK parliament doesn't know its <deleted> from its elbow
But it will for sure get revenged in any next G.E. on the Conservatives
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14 minutes ago, Basil B said:
Morally bankrupt act of desperation...
Now this is corn on Jeremy Corbyn 's mill for a vote of no confidence …..change of plans J.C....
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Breaking
PM Boris Johnson plans to ask Queen to suspend parliament from mid-September
Wednesday 28 August 2019 09:30, UK
Boris Johnson is planning to ask the Queen to suspend parliament ahead of a new Queen's Speech on 14 October, Sky sources have said.
A government source said the move was to help the new prime minister get on with implementing his domestic agenda.
"There will be ample opportunity for people to discuss Brexit before and after the EU council [in October]," they added.
Sky News understands the full cabinet has not yet been informed.
More follows...
No-deal Brexit: ministers expected to suspend parliament
Guardian understands action would prevent MPs from planning to stop no deal
Ministers could move on Wednesday to suspend parliament for up to five weeks, which would prevent MPs from planning legislation to stop a no-deal Brexit, the Guardian understands.
Senior sources said a privy council of senior ministers was preparing to meet the Queen at Balmoral this week, perhaps as soon as Wednesday to set this in motion.
Leaked emails revealed at the weekend that the prime minister, Boris Johnson, had sought legal advice about proroguing parliament for five weeks from early September, when MPs are already expected to break briefly for party conferences.
A new session of parliament would then begin with a fresh Queen’s speech packed with manifesto-friendly measures on or around 14 October.
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52 minutes ago, puipuitom said:
And now ? Negociate with a PM, of which the EU also does not havbve the faintest idea, the concluded agreement holds in Parliament ?
Or the next PM ?
Let the HoC come with a complete proposal or at least some alternatives. The EU learnt, with whatever the next PM-Joker with her/his crew comes with.. has close-to no value. Or do you think, there were no British diplomats, government specialists etc also involved in the negociations, only Terisa May ?
As long the H.O.C keep having the same power structures any deal shall be declined by one side or another side , now even more as Nigel Farage is interfering , it start looking like a Syria warlords situation ….lucky only in politic way … too many different interests and strange alliances .
So in which way to expect a solution ,...sure not from E.U. side
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18 minutes ago, billd766 said:
Actually they are not the same at all.
Boris has come down firmly and committed himself and the Leavers in the Tory party to leave one way or the other on 31st October.
Teresa May, Philip Hammond and the Remainers want to fight Brexit to the bitter end. I guess that they never wanted to leave the EU and so ignored their mandate (which was to leave) because they "knew" better than the electorate.
Hopefully at the next general election they will be unceremoniously they will be tossed out of their seats and get NO promotion to the HoL.
It will be cleaned up with or without the assistance of the EU.
same same was meant at it is 1 party , even different fractions , they sacrificed your U.K. for party interests in which up today they failed , and I think the E.U. has not one interest to assist in the repair of them...5555 lol
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Jessica Elgot Chief political correspondent
Tue 27 Aug 2019 13.52 BST
(Just the most important quote out of it) :
MPs are planning on using the same tactics as they did earlier this year when rebels seized control of the order paper and passed a bill led by Yvette Cooper and Letwin that mandated an extension to article 50.
SKY news
By Aubrey Allegretti, political reporter Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:23, UK
A cross-party coalition of MPs trying to block no-deal in October have reportedly agreed they should focus on trying to write a law forcing Boris Johnson to delay Brexit.
Three of those involved in the talks said repeating the tactic used in April should take priority over a plan by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to try and oust the prime minister in a no-confidence vote.
Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson told Sky News there was "unanimity" that the "best way forward" was using "legislative approaches".
Anna Soubry, leader of The Independent Group for Change tweeted "we agree we will work together to stop a no-deal Brexit by legislation".
And Plaid Cymru said in a news release that all parties involved agreed to "explore the best possible way of avoiding a no-deal using a legislative approach".
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2 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:
This has nothingnto fo with Samsung phones.
Wrong forum , try to delete , does not find it any more , may be deleted , sorry , mixed up post
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21 minutes ago, billd766 said:
The chaos that he inherited from the Remainer PM, Theresa May who lied from the first day by saying that the UK WOULD Brexit and that a no deal was better than a bad deal.
If she had DONE the job that she took on then Brexit would be over and done with. As it is she dragged it out slowly and painfully for the people of the UK for more than 3 years.
Same same as coming both from the " catfight conservative party " it's your U.K. mess so clean it up a best way possible ,good luck.
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11 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:
If the UK pays for some agreed future projects, will the UK be able to benefit from those projects I wonder. If not then we shouldn't have to pay that part.
Judging by the EU's disgraceful behaviour shutting the UK out of the Galileo project (after the UK contributed hugely with development expertise, and €1bn), I don't think the EU can claim any moral high ground on future obligations.
Are you sure that 1 bn€ . Galileo is not taken in consideration when making that bill ….? Who knows … none of us from both sides where present when calculated ...so maybe yes , maybe not ...
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3 minutes ago, Jack100 said:
I said the same thing to my wife... before …..the divorce . !
And...?
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"British PM Johnson says prepared to take Brexit talks down to last minute"
What else can he say …..he is still hoping on a miracle ???? if not ...the chaos is all his to manage then
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1 hour ago, Miami007 said:
Does anyone believe that the USA under the current president will give a favorable deal to the UK?
Or is it more likely that the USA will take advantage of the situation and the president can talk about his great deal for the USA?
"The pig for sacrifice is arrived ….." is a Nigerian proverb....
Very "Trump" applicable... ????
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2 minutes ago, Forethat said:
It's not opinion. It's a fact. The UK haven't agreed to pay anything. The bill was part of the withdrawal agreement. The EU can, of course, renegotiate the deal and bring the payment into scope, but as long as the agreement is binned, so is the payment.
Ever heard of the expression "you can't have your cake and eat it (too)"?
I guess not...
Whatever you find …. E.U. see different and …. no payment no trade deals …. nothing of all your opinions can change that .
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15 minutes ago, puipuitom said:
Maybe time to do some reading first ? Google and "UK divorse bill"... starts with… as it is the UK obligations to the budget as agreed… but some time already passed, so less of the budget period left, so .. 39 Bn is already reduced.
Second: where you got the rest of the nonsense from ? Italians 6 hours lunch break ( google with "working hours per day in Italy" ) … French to continue to fish in UK waters... ( Google with "French fish rights in UK waters after brexit" )
I know another: British always drunk, cannot behave, always holigans, +
The EU "divorce bill" - Full Fact
https://fullfact.org › europe › eu-divorce-bill
Brexit divorce bill - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Brexit_divorce_bill
Spring naar History of the negotiations - The Brexit financial settlement ('divorce bill') is a sum of money due ... During the 2016 United Kingdom European Union ... decide, it is reasonable that we should make an appropriate contribution.
The EU divorce bill | The Institute for Government
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk › explainers
28 mrt. 2018 - What was under negotiation in the EU divorce bill? ... But it also makes clear that around half consist of payments the UK will make during the ...
Brexit: What would happen if UK decided not to pay the £39bn divorce ...
https://www.independent.co.uk › ... › UK › UK Politics
10 jun. 2019 - The EU says the sum covers commitments already made by the UK at ... of the UK not paying the divorce bill would be to wait for it to be paid.
Brexit: the financial settlement - Commons Library briefing - UK ...
https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk › CBP-8039
14 mrt. 2019 - ... 'exit bill' or 'divorce bill' - sets out how the UK and EU will settle their ... the WA's implementation – made up of representatives from the UK ...
Brexit divorce bill: what is it and how does it affect talks? | Politics | The ...
https://www.theguardian.com › politics › jun › brexit-d...
20 jun. 2017 - The precise nature of the bill is dependent on what the relationship ... promises the UK made during its period as a member state are kept, even ...
Brexit: Does the UK owe the EU £39bn? - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk › news › uk-politics-48586677
25 jul. 2019 - He was referring to the UK's "divorce bill" from the European Union (EU). ... EU budget commitments made while the UK was still a member of ...
Brexit divorce bill explained: Why the UK needs to pay the EU to leave ...
https://qz.com › brexit-divorce-bill-explained-why-the-...
21 nov. 2017 - The UK is reportedly thinking of doubling its offer to €40 billion ($47 billion). ... Everything you need to know about the Brexit “divorce bill”.
I gave op on my opponent, as it is hopeless to see how they see it , finally it is simple, if they believe there is no bill to pay …. let them no pay ….they are happy …, and E.U. not agreed and so don't start ANY trade deal as result …. simple isn't it , both have their way, E.U. don't trade and another stalemate ...End of that story and beginning of other things ...
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Britain's Queen could be asked to suspend parliament on Wednesday: BBC journalist
in World News
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They could easely take them just the needed time and then give them up after useful voting use(principle restored ...lol ) , showing a long nose to the DUP …. just like now every trick in the book is used