7by7

Questioning what you have posted and asking for evidence of accusations made by you is hardly harassment.

If you are not prepared to be questioned on accusations you make; if you are not prepared to provide evidence to back them up; perhaps you shouldn't make them!

Apparently not.

Not surprised.

Tit for tat having NOTHING to do with your questions. Further explanation given by PM to the poster 7by7.

I'm willing to post your PM and my reply here for all to see; do you agree?

(I, of course, will not post a PM in the open forum without the permission of the person who sent it.)

2. i did include original document, because i felt it showed that we were in a serious relationship as i trusted my gf with important business documents such as bank statements etc... word of caution though, my gf said that they have lost 1 document!!!

If possible you should supply original documents or certified copies. Some documents are kept on file by the embassy, so if you want the originals returned you should supply copies as well.

Meanwhile, have a read of SET07 - Children, paying particular attention to SET7.8 What is sole responsibility? Note that " sole responsibility for the kids, certified by the Ampur" is not, on it's own' enough to satisfy this requirement.

7by7 the kor por 14 from the Amphur stating sole responsibility is a document needed by Maichorp's wife to get her daughters passports so I assume in this instance that's why he was refering to it.

However, if she were to go to Thailand before applying for ILR and her FLR expired while she was out of the country, she would not have a valid LTE/LTR and would not be allowed back into the UK. She would need to apply for a new settlement visa for herself and start the whole process all over again.

But if she made a new settlement visa application, she would presumably receive ILE upon entry as she has passed the LUK test and would not have to go for, or pay for or wait for ILR. Now how her having to make a new settlement application is judged I do not know but I would assume it was rather a rubber stamp job as she has previously passed all the obstacles.

Unfortunately, it is unlikely that she would be granted ILE; to qualify for same as a spouse they would need to show that they had been living together outside the UK for at least the last four years.

As you say, it is extremely unlikely that she would have any problems with a new settlement application, though it would be advisable for her to say why she did not obtain ILR before leaving the UK. They ain't cheap, though, and I expect the cost of ILR in another 2 years will be higher than it is now!

It's been nearly ten years, but I seem to remember that I was too happy that my wife had got her visa to be concerned with any grammatical errors on any of the accompanying letters!

The words 'storm' and 'teacup' spring to mind.

Has anyone taken a Thai spouse with them to a Western country who could give me some tips?

Plenty of people have.

Firstly you need to decide which country; that you are Canadian would be no bar, for example, to you moving to the UK. However, you would need to show that you can adequately support and accommodate yourselves once there. I suspect that this is the same for most countries, Western or otherwise.

Being guilty of illegal activities wont help either.

Somebody will post to say if I'm wrong but I believe your wife's daughters will get the same status as her when they get their visas. So if your wife has FLR her daughters will have FLR however if your wife already has ILR then her daughters will get the same ILR immediately. At least that's how it worked for a friend of mine about four years ago.

Sumrit is not wrong. The children will get the same leave to enter/remain as their mother currently (at the time of the application) holds and that LTE/LTR will expire when their mother's does.

So if you apply for them while she has FLR, they will be given visas which expire when her FLR does and can apply for ILR at the same time as their mother. If you apply for them after she has ILR then they will get ILR too (well to be accurate; ILE, which is the same thing).

Bear in mind that, if considering obtaining ILR for your wife before applying for the children, ILR applications can take up to 6 months to process, and her passport will be held by the UKBA for all of the processing time.

However, if she were to go to Thailand before applying for ILR and her FLR expired while she was out of the country, she would not have a valid LTE/LTR and would not be allowed back into the UK. She would need to apply for a new settlement visa for herself and start the whole process all over again.

My advice, due to the short time before her FLR expires, is to wait until she has ILR.

Meanwhile, have a read of SET07 - Children, paying particular attention to SET7.8 What is sole responsibility? Note that " sole responsibility for the kids, certified by the Ampur" is not, on it's own' enough to satisfy this requirement.

What I have posted often are questions to people who post ignorant comments and rumour as fact; regardless of which side of this divide they are on.

I am not satisfied with your answer for obvious reasons. Have you never found a pro red post to be similarly ignorant by your standards ... If so, point out the post. I asked you to, and you could not. Otherwise, any reasonable person would conclude you are indeed biased in favor of sympathy for the red shirt Thaksin supporters. Nothing wrong with that per se. I suggest you own up to it to be taken more seriously.

I suggest you pause in your ranting and answer pertinent questions put to you if you want to be taken seriously.

I'll repeat them for you:-

Tell me, as you are so against these demonstrations and want the authorities to use force to break them up; what was your attitude when the yellows were doing similar, occupying and closing the airport for example? Were you calling for the tear gas and water cannons then?

Jingthing @ 2010-04-05 21:40:40

Comparisons have been made of this mindless mob of violent peasants to the Maoist cultural revolution. Read up on that. Do you want that for Thailand?

Comparisons made by whom? Do you have a link? In what way is this similar?

So, any chance of some answers?

Apparently not.

Not surprised.

What I have posted often are questions to people who post ignorant comments and rumour as fact; regardless of which side of this divide they are on.

I am not satisfied with your answer for obvious reasons. Have you never found a pro red post to be similarly ignorant by your standards ... If so, point out the post. I asked you to, and you could not. Otherwise, any reasonable person would conclude you are indeed biased in favor of sympathy for the red shirt Thaksin supporters. Nothing wrong with that per se. I suggest you own up to it to be taken more seriously.

I'll repeat them for you:-

Tell me, as you are so against these demonstrations and want the authorities to use force to break them up; what was your attitude when the yellows were doing similar, occupying and closing the airport for example? Were you calling for the tear gas and water cannons then?

Jingthing @ 2010-04-05 21:40:40

Comparisons have been made of this mindless mob of violent peasants to the Maoist cultural revolution. Read up on that. Do you want that for Thailand?

Comparisons made by whom? Do you have a link? In what way is this similar?

So, any chance of some answers?

Why do you use the tabloid style , and to me somewhat offensive, term "Thai bride" when referring to my wife? You have not used it when referring to yours!

Are you surprised that you got a bite after using a snotty tone in your posts above? If so, you shouldn't be!

Ah, I see; people who disagree with you are 'snotty!' Got it now.

You have also referred to 'mine' Ie my Thai bride, In which case, I reckon that evens the scales

What? I cannot find any post of mine where I referred to your wife in any way other than 'your wife,' apart from the quote above, where the word 'yours' follows on from 'my wife' so is obvious to anyone that it means 'your wife.' Unless that person chooses to ignore this obvious grammatical connection. It was also made after your offensive remark.

Perhaps you could show me the post(s) you mean.

My local registrar says it is not possible,

8 years ago mate, and under what kind of circumstances, we do not know.

Your information is 7 years old, so if age is a factor yours could be just as out of date as mine. The circumstances are exactly as previously described.

The rest of your post is just repeating yourself, and I do not intend to do the same.

One thing I will add, though, is that the DirectGov page Marriage and civil partnership: your legal obligations says in big, bold letters:

You will need to provide evidence of a divorce or dissolution if you have previously been married or in a civil partnership

So tell me, how did you, and your mum, overcome that hurdle?

(did you not read the post where I said I was neutral?)

Lets get this clear. Produce ONE POST from you where you are not trying to challenge anti-red posters and you are challenging pro Thaksin posters.

What I have posted often are questions to people who post ignorant comments and rumour as fact; regardless of which side of this divide they are on.

You and whistleblower are two such.

Neither of you have answered any of these questions.

QED.

Immigration Rules, Para 41

41. The requirements to be met by a person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom as a general visitor are that he:

(v) does not intend to undertake a course of study;

This is the first time I have heard of someone being refused over the phone. Are you sure that they weren't just asking her about the studying she intended to do? It may be that a couple of hours a week would not be viewed as a course of study.

If she has been refused she can appeal, but as her application stated that she did intend to study, I see little hope. Better to re-apply, I think, and stress that she now knows the rules and so will not attempt to study while in the UK.

But don't do anything until she receives the actual refusal notice.

When my wife entered the UK the settlement visa was for TWO years, maybe it has changed.

It has changed, slightly.

A fiance visa is valid for 6 months, and then FLR after the marriage is valid for 24 months. One can then apply for ILR, assuming the other criteria are met. This hasn't changed.

What has changed is that a spouse visa is now valid for 27 months, and one can apply for ILR after being in the UK for 24 months, assuming the other criteria are met.

this opinion is based upon some info you got 8 years ago when your Thai bride wanted to marry in the UK

Why do you use the tabloid style , and to me somewhat offensive, term "Thai bride" when referring to my wife? You have not used it when referring to yours!

My local registrar says it is not possible, your mother says it is; they cannot both be right.

The lawyer whose advice you dismiss is highly qualified and appears in the High Court. (I'm afraid that I can't provide a link to his opinion, not only are links to other forums not allowed here, but it's archived anyway. Convenient, you may say, but true.)

Lungbing's response says that "the ceremony you propose will have no legal effect" that is, would not be legal.

In the opinion of my local registrar, a High Court lawyer and the registrar who replied to lungbing, whatever ceremony you mother conducted for you and your wife, it was not a legal marriage. If she and her boss think it was, they are wrong.

My opinion doesn't matter, but I'm going with the opinion of those three professionals.

Whatever others wish to do, is their choice.

BTW, your new avatar is not a photo of you signing the register. If you don't know, you mother should that people are not allowed to photograph the actual signing. That is a posed photo of a couple pretending to sign the register. Pedantry moment over.

From Courier collection

Applicants may choose to have their passports couriered to the closest collection centre at the time of submission of application by paying a nominal additional charge.

Note:

1. All charges must be paid at the time of submission.

So it doesn't look like it's possible; but it wont hurt to ask. The VAC's phone number is +66 2-800-8050.

Let us know what they say, ta.

The one follows the other.

You either believe her or you don't.

If you don't believe her then you don't trust her, and if you don't trust her there is no way you should be contemplating marriage to her.

I suggest that you let the relationship develop until you do trust her.

We are talking about the red protests. I will not fall into the red shirt propaganda tricks of bringing up historic yellow actions, ad nauseum. Being anti-red/anti-Thaksin does NOT equal being pro yellow. I won't play your predictable game. Deal with the here and now. You act like you are objective, but you are not. You are just another typical Thaksin apologist. There is no excuse for Thaksin, a man intent on destroying this great country.

Ah, no answer, just insults (did you not read the post where I said I was neutral?) and feeble excuses for avoiding the question.

If the past is irrelevant, why do you keep referring to what Thaksin did in the past?

Comparisons have been made of this mindless mob of violent peasants to the Maoist cultural revolution. Read up on that. Do you want that for Thailand?

Comparisons made by whom? Do you have a link? In what way is this similar?

Did I say that harassing Abhisit at his house was right? No, I didn't. What I said was a large group of protesters entering a government building is totally different to breaking and entering into a private dwelling.

Would you care to answer the question I asked, and will here repeat:-

Tell me, as you are so against these demonstrations and want the authorities to use force to break them up; what was your attitude when the yellows were doing similar, occupying and closing the airport for example? Were you calling for the tear gas and water cannons then?

When my wife first arrived in the UK, 9 years ago now, she did get very lonely. Our daughter was at school and I was at work and she simply sat at home. No one to talk to and TV she could barely understand, "They talk to fast!" We were living with my parents, but my dad could spare her little time as he was busy with my invalid mother. He did what he could, and we are both eternally grateful to him. Now that he's dead my wife misses him very much.

Then she got a job, and things changed dramatically for the better. She got out the house, met people made friends and settled in fine.

I did make a big mistake; I took her round all the Thai restaurants in about a 10 mile radius; expecting her to make friends with the staff simply because they were all Thai! Didn't work, a shared nationality is not enough to start a friendship!

She does now have both Thai and non-Thai friends in the UK, and is fine; but those first few months were hard for her and she did need a lot of support from me.

A large group of protesters entering a government building is totally different to breaking and entering into a private dwelling.

Tell me, as you are so against these demonstrations and want the authorities to use force to break them up; what was your attitude when the yellows were doing similar, occupying and closing the airport for example? Were you calling for the tear gas and water cannons then?

Don't want to 'cross territories' and step on anyone's toes, but is the agency you are talking to registered with the The Office of the Migration Agents Registration Authority?

If not, you may be better served to ditch them and find one who is. See this topic.

And your graceful response to A: It is necessary to divorce B: The marriage cannot be granted a cert and C: The register cannot be signed, D: My Ma (the County's Superintendent) and E: Her boss (the regional Superintendent) are wrong - is?

Based upon the advice received from my local registrar and that of a highly qualified legal professional plus the advice lungbing recieved; yes, my response is that your Ma and her boss were wrong.

But as I said in my previous post: you've made your argument, I've made mine; it is now up to the OP and others to decide which course they wish to take.

I'm afraid there is little that is factual in BigWheelMan's post.

To expand and clarify Boo's a little.

If she obtains settlement as a spouse (i.e. marries in Thailand) then she can work from day one in the UK.

If she obtains a settlement visa as a fiance (i.e. marries in the UK) then she cannot work until after the marriage and she has obtained her two year extention known as FLR.

See this post for more on the differance between fiance visas and spouse visas.

If your friend needs any help or further advice, ask here. If he does decide to employ an agent, get him to read this first.