OneZero

Someone please ask that SgtMaj at Jomtien Immigration to invite Chiang Mai Immigration officials to the Jomtien office to learn a few lessons.

Topic Title says it ALL. Royal Marine Scammed. One of many, pity, he is serving his country, but the reality is that being scammed on Real Estate Deals in Pattaya is NOT unusual. The problem with "Fraud" is that an intent has to be proven, therefore it is a Civil Matter. End of story. Not just in Pattaya either.

Ohio is absolutely correct. If an Individual in a situation such as this goes to the Thai police for assistance, the police will ignore his request because they consider it a "Civil" matter only. Experienced scammers with street smarts & knowledge of the Thai legal system & police practices design their scams (& target their victims) in such a manner as to minimize blow back upon themselves. The scammers know that with a well designed scam (having the initial appearance of a "Civil" matter only), the victims will probably forgo the expense, time & headache of legal action and simply give up, keep quiet and walk away. So if the victims have been targeted properly (not prone to illogical physical retaliation, for example), the scammer feels he has much to gain & little to lose by conducting the scam.

However, I am personally aware of a current situation, in Pattaya, where an individual (Let's call him the "Defendant", which is how he was identified in Pattaya court) did not get away with it. He (an expat Brit), & his Thai wife, currently have warrants (from the Pattaya court) out for their arrest, for failing to appear in court to defend themselves. Because the defendants have "Run", further testimony can not be continued, so a "Guilty" verdict cannot be achieved by the plaintiffs. The male defendant (the Brit) has perhaps left Thailand to avoid arrest (the warrants are valid for 10 years). The plaintiffs in this case did not get their money back (the defendants ran). However, the judge did determine the case to be "Criminal" and issued the warrants. If any one of the plaintiffs had individually by themselves approached the police for assistance, the initial review of the evidence, and the reaction of the police would have been as "Ohio" stated. The police would have ignored each of them individually, and considered it a "Civil" matter only. So then, in reply to "Ohio's" correct observation, How did the plaintiffs in this specific case succeed in showing the judge that there was sufficient evidence to conclude that the defendants may have had "Criminal" intent?

First of all, the plaintiffs had to each emotionally adjust themselves to the fact that their money was lost, but that it was still worth the effort to expend resources (Time, Headache, Money) to pursue legal action to teach the defendants a lesson. Notice that I said plaintiffs (Plural). The plaintiffs had to UNITE,& stay united (the defendant tried unsuccessfully to break them apart). There were 5 plaintiffs. There could have been 10 but some victims did not want to expend the resources, or were persuaded by the defendant not to join. Each of the plaintiffs had similar stories to tell the judge (ie, the judge observed multiple victims, each with similar stories).

The defendants in this case were running multiple, apparently "Civil", operations. For example, loan / investment operations, purchase (In a Company name) of real estate with little or no money down (but the promise of "Investment" returns), gold & foreign exchange shops, and selling investment shares in 3 beer bars in Jomtien & Pattaya (All with the initials "LJ"). The plaintiffs case involved only one of these four, seemingly "Civil", areas that I have just identified.

So then, in reply to "Ohio's" correct observation, How did the plaintiffs in this specific case succeed in showing the judge that there was sufficient evidence to conclude that the defendants may have had "Criminal" intent? It was the defendant's MO (Method of Operation-Ponzi), the continuous repetitive Lying, & the Multiple Victims that must have convinced the judge.

So, "Ohio" is correct, ref the "Civil" aspect. However, with effort & determination, multiple plaintiffs, when joining together & staying united, can sometimes provide sufficient evidence to show "Criminal" intent. This may not result in return of money, but it may bring a form of retribution to the scammers that might not otherwise occur.

You might get a reply out of Chiang Rai forum.

Quote from Folium:

Without being too nerdy (heaven forbid), smog is the generally accepted term for what we are facing today as smoke is not descriptive enough (or negative sounding enough).

Smog is that nasty combination of pollutants in the air (in most of the world the key input is the emission from fossil fuel burning plus sunlight to create photochemical smog, eg LA, Mexico City etc), and a temperature inversion where the pollutants are trapped near the Earth's surface.

Regular fog is the result of temperature inversions and is simply very low-level clouds. Smog is a similar effect but largely composed of pollutants rather than just water moisture.

Here in SE Asia smoke from burning fields, forests and trash is the main contributor, and the weather conditions at this time of year (temperature inversions, little wind and minimal precipitation) are disastrous in combination.

Smog is a firmly negative term associated with pollution and unpleasant side-effects, while smoke is just seen as a temporary byproduct of burning. Unquote

hhper says, Quote

jez soo nerdy........get a life my boy. Unquote

My comment:

Folium is doing us a service by enhancing our understanding of the origin of our situation here in Chiang mai. Admittedly smoke is the primary culprit. But an understanding of the meteorology & atmospheric conditions may help explain the problems timing & intensity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_(meteorology)

Quote: "

Consequences of a thermal inversion

Fata Morgana

of a ship is due to an inversion

Winter smoke in

Shanghai

with a clear border-layer for the vertical air-spread.

Temperature inversion in

Bratislava

, viewing the top of

Nový Most

bridge

With the ceasing of convection, which is normally present in the atmosphere, a number of phenomena are associated with a temperature inversion. The air becomes stiller, hence the air becomes murky because dust and pollutants are no longer lifted from the surface.

This can become a problem in cities where many pollutants exist. Inversion effects occur frequently in big cities such as Mumbai, India;Los Angeles, California; Mexico City; São Paulo, Brazil; Santiago, Chile; and Tehran, Iran but also in smaller cities like Oslo, Norway;Prague, Czech Republic; Ljubljana, Slovenia; Salt Lake City, Utah; Logan, Utah; Vancouver, British Columbia; Chiang Mai; Launceston, Tasmania and Boise, Idaho which are closely surrounded by hills and mountains that together with the inversion effect bottle-caps the air in the city. During a severe inversion, trapped air pollutants form a brownish haze that can cause respiratory problems. The Great Smog of 1952, one of the most serious examples of such an inversion, occurred in London and was blamed for an estimated 11,000 to 12,000 deaths."

Unquote

We found the cat!

Buy Milly a present to show her you love her. Her own collar with her name & your mobile ph#(s).

Edit: Or does other owners experiences advise against collars for cats (because they jump on things & a collar might get caught on something & choke them)?

The Pharmacy next to Rimping airport, told me that Asprin was not on sale anymore, Government Order !

Gobsmacked I went to the large Pharmacy opposite Suan Dork Hospital where they served me 200 Baby asprin 81mg.

john

That's correct, Pharmacies cannot sell asprin any more. They can only be dispensed at hospitals as a prescribed medicine by a doctor.

I understand that long term use of aspirin can potentially cause stomach problems. Is that why it is difficult to find aspirin in Thailand, or is there another reason(s).

Also, "Tolstoy", based upon your comment, what is the negative connection between taking aspiriin & mosquitos?

Sounds like a misunderstanding to me and an overreaction maybe he did not see you around and thought you had left the country and he was just checking his property .

Have you sat down with your landlord and spoke about it talking is normally the best solution first if you can't solve anything the you should go to the police imho.

I myself may have a misunderstanding. Is you rent due in 15 days? Or, is your rent already 15 days late?

I have never needed a medical certificate first in order to obtain from immigration the residence certificate needed to register a motorcycle or car (& I have registered 4 so far in the past). I have never tried to sell a motorcycle, but anticipate doing so.

So, while I cannot definitively answer your question about the medical certificate, I also ask the readers for their input.

Specifically, will I have to obtain a residence certificate in order to "SELL" a motorcycle registered in my name?

i live out near the lake not on an estate. i have wild squirrels living in a big tree near the house.

They visit the house regularly to steal the dogs food. you can release it here if you wanted to......

Hope this doesn't offend anyone. But I'd like to bring this briefly back to the top in hopes that hiyjsn sees it & corresponds with timekeeper.

Yes of course they admit farangs Phil. It is Queen Sirikit's Hospital and not the Navies so to speak. It is just Naval based. The Queen's hospital has never and will never turned down anyone. i have been there many times myself and just recent as have I taken my family there for years.

That is the best hospital going bang for the buck so to speak OP.

I may be mistaken, so please correct me if I am wrong (without flaming). But did not the US military build that hospital to US standards during the Vietnam War, & then turn it over (of course free) to the Thais when they left. There was a short period immediately following the war that ex US military here in Thailand referred to that hospital as a place where US military received honored & special attention.

Sorry I didn't see an "Edit" function, & so re-posted. FYI, if you didn't already know, Utapoa Airport was indeed built by US military, during the Vietnam War, with a long runway for heavily loaded B-52's. There was a very heavy US military presence in that area (& of course began the rise of what Pattaya became).

Yes of course they admit farangs Phil. It is Queen Sirikit's Hospital and not the Navies so to speak. It is just Naval based. The Queen's hospital has never and will never turned down anyone. i have been there many times myself and just recent as have I taken my family there for years.

That is the best hospital going bang for the buck so to speak OP.

I may be mistaken, so please correct me if I am wrong (without flaming). But did not the US military build that hospital to US standards during the Vietnam War, & then turn it over (of course free) to the Thais when they left. There was a short period immediately following the war that ex US military here in Thailand referred to that hospital as a place where US military received honored & special attention.

If you're writing a lot of text you need a decent keyboard.

Keep your eye on places like PowerBuy at Central Mall for their NoteBook specials.

Some of the little Lenova's come a lot cheaper than a name brand tablet.

FYI: I saw a Lenovo tablet in Power Buy Sunday 04March for 9,990 Baht. The tablets were right at the entrance to Power Buy.

Quote: "And finally, they are in favour of amending the lese majeste law so that anybody can attack the monarchy freely."

The true part:

And finally, they are in favour of amending the lese majeste law....

The false part (In fact absolute rubbish):

........so that anybody can attack the monarchy freely.

The last part of the quote is intended to scare the public into defending that feudalistic law.

Sounds like your issue is not so much with smoking, as it is about having an anti-American axe to grind...

Hope you don't choke too hard on your big bottle of Haterade!

-Mestizo

+1

+2 Exactly what I was thinking.

Isn't there also (or in the past) a requirement to visit immigration first (before going the licensing office) to get a letter of residency? Or do I have that confused with buying a vehicle?

I have a friend from VN War who is also interested in a post to answer this question.

nmailt2you: If someone pm's you with an answer, could you please either post the answer, or pm me.

Thanks

I think it would help if traffic directions on Beach Rd and 2nd Rd were each reversed. It would certainly help the Dolphin Roudabout problem.

My first reaction: Sounds like a good idea to reverse the flow. Question for the readers:

Where / what negatives might there be arising from that? Ideas for discussion please.

Out of context quote: "It is up to the moderator to use his dicrection as to what is posted."

If the posters don't have the common sense, then I would agree that a moderator should step in.

For example, that Walen School thread has long outlived any value. Long overdue for a moderator to close it. (IMHO

If its a lot more expensive than View Talay 1 or 2 better buy at VT1 or VT2 which are good and cheap...

Better go look at VT 1&2 first to compare quality. If "Cheap" is the defining word, then VT 1&2 probably fit the bill in all aspects.

Already lots of excellent posts above in this thread. After reading my own post I see it could be a bit confusing to the reader. VT 1&@ certainly are cheaper. But I'm not sure I made it clear that if cost is not the only, or primary, consideration, then cheaper is certainly not necessarily better.

If its a lot more expensive than View Talay 1 or 2 better buy at VT1 or VT2 which are good and cheap...

Better go look at VT 1&2 first to compare quality. If "Cheap" is the defining word, then VT 1&2 probably fit the bill in all aspects.

All quite nice, but if you are going to do a word for word cut and paste like this, the least you can do is credit your source, Wikipedia. Something along the lines of:

"From Wikipedia:

(etc., or the link, not the full text)"

Gee Mcgriffith, you caught me out. You could be the private eye that the op is looking for. I was hoping that readers thought I came up with all of that independently.

Sorry for not posting the link before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigonish_(poem)

Yesterday, upon the stair,

I met a man who wasn’t there

He wasn’t there again today

I wish, I wish he’d go away...

"Antigonish" is an 1889 poem by American educator and poet Hughes Mearns. It is also known as "The Little Man Who Wasn't There", and was a hit song under that title.

Inspired by reports of a ghost of a man roaming the stairs of a haunted house in Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada,^[1] the poem was originally part of a play called The Psyco-edwhich Mearns had written for an English class at Harvard University about 1899.^[2] In 1910, Mearns put on the play with the Plays and Players, an amateur theatrical group and, on 27 March 1922, newspaper columnist FPA printed the poem in "The Conning Tower", his column in the New York World.^[2][3]

cont....

When I came home last night at three

The man was waiting there for me

But when I looked around the hall

I couldn’t see him there at all!

Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!

Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door... (slam!)

Last night I saw upon the stair

A little man who wasn’t there

He wasn’t there again today

Oh, how I wish he’d go away

Given that Thailand has no shortage of former FBI, CIA, Special Forces Op's, Ninja's, Assassins, Soldiers of Fortune, you should fine someone. Just look for any disheveled farang in any bar.