BeauKarl

Occasionally a concession will come up for sale from around 600,000 baht on Jomtien beach anyway, my Thai neighbour has 4, one he operates himself and the others are rented out, OK just now but dead as a dodo off season or rainy times???

the lady who is doing my pedicure has gone to her home town so i went on tuesday to Jomtien Beach to have the job done. everything was crowded, hardly an empty chair to find.

I drove along there last friday, maybe the ones near waterpark are full but the further you drive from there, there were only a few seats taken but personally I think it must be one of the worse businesses to be in at the moment.

There's 80+ tattooshops in Pattaya, I've visited just about all of them and only 4 of them have the right sterilizers. An oven or dryheat sterilizer isn't allowed in the west and isn't sufficient enough. Only an autoclave is. An autoclave works under high pressure steam.

Most shops advertise photos of work that they downloaded of the net.

They had a meating with townhall relating to the hygiene and were exp[alined some things, after the meating they got a certificate with their name, but nobody actually went to check out the shops.

Being a tattooist myself for 15 years it's shocking how irresponsible some are in Thailand. Well it isn't really

And how much of that 300k did you put in your pocket and what was it really worth?

1.I said: "I have a lot of friends who spend $300k and more for property in Pattaya."

Did I said that I was involved in that deals? Did I said that they are my clients?

You don't have to answer.

And where can you still find decent townhouses in a nice place for 2 ml.

2.A lot of and much better then I've seen in Italy

Because most of us have to be here for work or are married to a Thai.

Well, you nave income here and happy with your Thai family?

In my opinion this is most important things.

Visa regulation and property registration rules really doesn't matter in this case.

I bought 3 rai of land just outside Pattaya and near regency school, directly from the Thai owner

Good deal but there is always hundred of question about any plot of land.

Those same houses on very small plots are now being sold for 10 ml, can you explain me why?

3.I don't know what houses you're talking about - maybe is very expensive or maybe very cheap -

The price always depend on location, infrastructure, size, quality etc

And some realestate prices are to high

Right!

4.But some is really cheap. You can have apartment for just 30k euros or even less - is it possible in Europe?

1.So either you didn't want to ripp your friends of or they didn't want to buy of you.

2.I'd like to know where in Pattaya.

3.The houses I'm talking about are about 500 m from my land (4 houses), my wife asked the builder who is making them how much it would cost for exactly the same on our land? 3 ml They are with a realtor for 10ml.

4. You can't anymore, because realtors have overvalued them and made the minds go nuts of those who bought them with 'nice' talking points, resulting in God knows how many for sale on the market at ridiculous prices. But I wouldn't wanna live in one of those boxes anyway.

I said "for example" Daytona Beach. It doesn't mean have to be there. But for this kind of money you can buy a house everywhere, even in Europe, Germany or Switzerland.

Yes, I can but I don't want to live in that country, especially in Germany or Switzerland. And for me really doesn't matter the prices of houses over there. Anyway you'll never find cheap property in good location there. I've just been to an international property show and checked the prices of townhouses at Garda Lake in Italy - the price of small townhouse was 500,000 euros and not in prime location. Here in LOS that kind of house will cost no more than 2 ml. You can not compare buildings in the west with those in TL, labour, materials, land,... is far more expensive there and quality is far higher and better build. And where can you still find decent townhouses in a nice place for 2 ml. You can't because you realtors have been overvaluing them! I've seen exactly the same situation in Spain and look where they are now, property market has gone nuts and now the realtors are crying that they are going bust. This is exactly what's going on in Thailand, but once that happens here, guys like you will just move on to ruine another place on the map, and the 'goodbelieving' buyers will be stuck with overvalued houses.

Why they do it over here, where everyone can be a House builder??? Not only this! You have to remember wee all stay on a visa over here. We never 100% sure what gonna happen one day or next year with the immigrationlaw. A damm car accident can result in a deportation. What you gonna do then when all your cash is stucked in LOS? It is very unsecure to buy property overhere. Even some builders sometime you can't trust. I know peaple who not even build a Doghouse in their past. But overhere they building big real estate projects....Farangs should wake up and not forget where we stay.

Can I ask one question?

Why people like to stay in that kind of country? Because most of us have to be here for work or are married to a Thai.

There is a lot of country's around the world where you can have citizenship, buy property on your name etc

Really rich peaple not gonna stay in Pattaya

Really rich people will never buy a property for $500k because is cheap for that kind of people.

I have a lot of friends who spend $300k and more for property in Pattaya. They are not "really rich" and they like to stay here, in LOS

And how much of that 300k did you put in your pocket and what was it really worth? I bought 3 rai of land just outside Pattaya and near regency school, directly from the Thai owner, could build a 3 ml house on it. Total cost to me 4.5 ml + tax

Those same houses on very small plots are now being sold for 10 ml, can you explain me why?

I'd like to see the country improve, but not being westernised (if that makes sence)

Meaning better healthcare, education, infrastructure,....

but like my Thai wife sais, it won't happen because it's to hard to teach Thais something as most think they know it better

Reporting is the lowest, the very lowest of all options. It is out of question.

Maybe so, but it appears that there is no one here that knows how to report someone working illegally. Rather people here are offering opinion about the OP, rather than the issue there may be an illegal maid, where the problem has been brought to a head because of their dog's behavior.

Possibly also in the reducing economic climate, weeding out the illegal workers may not be such a bad thing.

Yes, I do have a real Work Permit.

Doe sit harm you when somebody works as an illegal maid. It's not like she doing armed robberies, sell drugs or guns. she's trying to make a living from working for a rich family who probably don't care about her.

Our neighbour has a Cambodian maid, she gets 5000 a month, needs to pay for her own food and needs to take a lot of shit from her boss and minute of the day as it suits him.

Who in their right mind would even consider reporting somebody trying to make a living for their family.

Neighbors have a maid who has never heard of common courtesy or respect for the people around her. She walks around houses, looking in and giving dirty looks. She lets their dog shit everywhere and bark from 7 in the morning to nighttime nonstop. I want to see her burn.

The problem is that I doubt that she has a work permit though she might. Should I call the cops anyways?

Neighbors have a maid who has never heard of common courtesy or respect for the people around her. She walks around houses, looking in and giving dirty looks. She lets their dog shit everywhere and bark from 7 in the morning to nighttime nonstop. I want to see her burn.

The problem is that I doubt that she has a work permit though she might. Should I call the cops anyways?

And reporting her whether she has a WP or not will almost certainly make problems for you...why dont you just talk to her employer....your neighbours.... and see where that gets you first...instead of wanting the maid to be hung drawn and quartered...

I have complained to her Taiwanese boss several times before, they either don't understand English and Thai or they just don't care. There is no working with these people and after three years I'm fed up with it.

The people of the house are rude in the first place. The wife walks around the village looking inside houses, the kids at one point used to come into my house without asking just to bounce around the furniture, the husband is never in town. They park their cars in the middle of the street. They used to chain their chihuahua to their gate and let it yip all day. I kicked it and tied it up with the leash and set it free. In retrospect I should have put it in a bag and taken it somewhere far away.

Neighbors from hel_l and that's the general consensus around here.

Getting the maid in the shit would kill two birds with one stone. A rude and inconsiderate person would get what she deserves and the family would be out of a worker to watch over the house while they're on vacation.

So should I call immigration?

The red quotes say enough what kind of a 'person' you are.

I guess you're not man enough to handle it on your own and need others to sort your shit out.

Still better then leaving it for the driver to drink it, far worse things could happen then

I used to like AW a lot, but in the recent past I had there two incidents with highly unfriendly staff (one of them involving a moderator of this distinguished board ) I will never ever return to that place again.

Moreover, there are much nicer pet zoos down the same soi....

I had the same a few months ago when in Angle Witch, never been back since.

Some places think they can get away with everything when they're busy, slower times will show them they were wrong

So is it preferable to treat an addict as a criminal, or a patient?

Also be interested to know your source for your last 2 statements.

Your first question: Depends what they do to pay for their addiction, but if put in jail some better programs need to be made to get them of it and to keep drugs out of jails.

Your second question: You've obviously no been around a lot or know any junkies

Your first answer - if they were treated as patients (ie under a legalised system), they wouldn't be in jail, as they wouldn't need to become involved in crime to feed their addiction.

Keep drugs out of jails - yes, a bit more the the corruption I mentioned earlier.

Your second answer - as a matter of fact I know two long term "junkies", one a family member, the other a family member of a very close friend. Both have either held down a long term job (swinging between heroin and methadone), the other running a very successful small business (now off the junk, because she has had a baby).

But I wouldn't profess to know "most junkies"

Everybody who's addicted has a chance in the west to get help, they only get help after they've been caught and are on a courts order to do so or when they lost just about everything in their life or family members tell them to do so as a last attempt.

In know of a doctor who uses a gram coce everyday, all his patients think he's great, but he comes homes and start smashing his wifes head in on a regular basis. He has the opportunity to seek help, just chooses not to.

If you want to lock yourself up and use whatever drugs, alcohol,... you want go ahead. But the fact is that nomatter what their addiction is, there's always other people around them who suffer.

I can't believe that some people here actually support the use of drugs or want to make it legal.

Have you actually seen what it does to people? Have you spoken to people high on crack, or children in their strange cannabis world. Should those be the future of our world?

Yes Karl - all this is happening at the moment, under a long tried and utterly failed system.

If you legalise something (and I am primarily talking about heroin), you can achieve a number of things, including:

1. take away (almost entirely) the criminal element, and the associated corruption in law enforcement

2. take people with an illness out of the criminal justice system, and into the health system, where they belong

3. have far better control over purity and standards, thus avoiding unnecessary deaths from overdose

4. have a far better opportunity to get to people with strategies and help before they become addicted

etc etc

The cost of use is far to high to stop the crime behind it.

Alcohol is legal, have you seen the statistics on alcohol related insidents?

Alcohol and drug prevention has proven not to work looking at how it all goes at the moment.

The truth is that some people know their limits, but most never will.

Most addicts words before they start: Just gonna try it once

Most addicts words after they started: I can stop whenever I want, I just choose not to.

So is it preferable to treat an addict as a criminal, or a patient?

Also be interested to know your source for your last 2 statements.

Your first question: Depends what they do to pay for their addiction, but if put in jail some better programs need to be made to get them of it and to keep drugs out of jails.

Your second question: You've obviously no been around a lot or know any junkies

I can't believe that some people here actually support the use of drugs or want to make it legal.

Have you actually seen what it does to people? Have you spoken to people high on crack, or children in their strange cannabis world. Should those be the future of our world?

Yes Karl - all this is happening at the moment, under a long tried and utterly failed system.

If you legalise something (and I am primarily talking about heroin), you can achieve a number of things, including:

1. take away (almost entirely) the criminal element, and the associated corruption in law enforcement

2. take people with an illness out of the criminal justice system, and into the health system, where they belong

3. have far better control over purity and standards, thus avoiding unnecessary deaths from overdose

4. have a far better opportunity to get to people with strategies and help before they become addicted

etc etc

The cost of use is far to high to stop the crime behind it.

Alcohol is legal, have you seen the statistics on alcohol related insidents?

Alcohol and drug prevention has proven not to work looking at how it all goes at the moment.

The truth is that some people know their limits, but most never will.

Most addicts words before they start: Just gonna try it once

Most addicts words after they started: I can stop whenever I want, I just choose not to.

I can't believe that some people here actually support the use of drugs or want to make it legal.

Have you actually seen what it does to people? Have you spoken to people high on crack, or children in their strange cannabis world. Should those be the future of our world?

Don't confuse the subjects.

If it was up to me no-one would use drugs as they would be so clever and contempt with their lives that they didn't feel the need to.

But it is not up to me. And the fact of the matter is that the War on Drugs is a failure.

Your recipe is throwing more tax-money on the problem, longer penalties for sellers and users...and the problem will go away? Last 80 years would tell us it doesn't work. When is enough just enough?

As long as it's out there, it doesn't matter how contempt they are with their lives, some will always use it.

Dealers should be punished much harder and put in bkk Hilton lookalikes, so they hardly cost any taxmoney, TV ads should be posted as to where they'll go when caught and they'll think twice before they start. And stop all that human rights crap for them.

I'll even throw you a beer or two before your demise.....

I'll throw another 2 in if I can watch what happens, but I think we gonna have to drink them ourself as they wouldn't feel so brave without their computer

I can't believe that some people here actually support the use of drugs or want to make it legal.

Have you actually seen what it does to people? Have you spoken to people high on crack, or children in their strange cannabis world. Should those be the future of our world?

However, I do find it interesting the way some farang accept and in some cases revel in non-white discrimination against whites, and at the same time abhore any form of white discrimination against non-whites. Just an observation, maybe some of the previous posters can explain?

Very simple, political correctness has gone that far that it's become a one way street

If some firm in the west would make an ad 'caucasians only', the world would be to small to even start running.

These discussions pop up from time to time, and I find them really interesting and couldn't help throw in my observations.

Firstly, I don't think anyone is putting all "Thai" women down. Read carefully.

Secondly, all women who turn to a life of prostitution have a choice. They are not forced to do what they do. They do it because it's easy money and because of the urban myths and Swiss Village's of finding that gullible farang and hitting the proverbial jackpot.

You are not saving the world one girl at a time by taking them away from the bars. They enjoy what they do – sleep until 2, drink and party all night and maybe get lucky and make what a respectful Thai woman would make in a week, or even a month. New clothes, phones and air-conditioned hotel rooms. What's not to like?

Next time you are in a bar, take the time to ask the girls why they don't work in 7/11, or a Bank, or McDonald's. See the reaction you get.

If you are unsure whether these women should be"looked down on", ask a normal Thai person what they think of Thai women who work this trade. And then ask yourself should you feel any different.

Have you seen who they sometimes have to go with???? Do you think that's easy money?

So you mean every girl in a bar doesn't deserve respect?

HYPOCRYTE, maybe they've been mistreated by guys like you all their life that now they don't care anymore and deside to ask money to be mistreated.

the thai women knew exactly what they were going to do so they were not vunerable and would be doing the same in oz as in thailand no doubt.

That may or may not be true. What we have to understand is that a lot of these ladies in thailand would not be doing this sort of thing if they had a choice. Many come from very poor villages with little or no education and have strong family values. They do this sort of thing to support thier parents who are to old to work and try to provide a better life for thier children. This monster would have promised them large amounts of money and a great lifestyle. In reality he was using them for his own personal gain and he alone would have been making the money. They would have received a pitence for their work, thier passports would have been taken from them, they would have been living in sub standard accomadation and supplied with the bare nessecities of life. No medical coverage because they would have been working in an illeagle brothel. They would not have received the funds to send back home to parents and family because they were sex slaves. Yes they were vulnerable to the promises of wealth. It has happened before. The man is a monster and I feel sorry for the women. If they knew the truth they would never have gone.

Wrong:

Everyone has choices in life.

Easy to say when you don't have to live in a shed with 10 other family members, work on farms when you're 10 years old, don't have parents who don't care what you have to do, don't live in a society where you are expected to take care of your family, nomatter how you get the money, earn 3000THB a month for working 12 hours a day in a factory or can't write because you've never been send to school.

I agree that these girls knew what they were going to do, but the false promises and the bad treatment they had, makes the hairdresser scum.

I saw a new shop a few weeks back on the groundfloor from Tuck com

OK, I will admit that the one good thing about xmas is the xmas dinner....but us Americans just had a good dinner for thanksgiving [which is a much less commercial holiday].

So because YOU Americans had a dinner for thanksgiving, the whole world needs to give up on xmas?

Tell that to the many orphants who will get a nice dinner or toys for xmas from charities.

Tell that to the many children in UK schools who are not allowed to sing some songs or even celebrate it because some religions are insulted by it, tell that to the Chinese factory workers who work hard on (crap)toys to have some food on the table, I guess western influences are only good if it suits you.

And no I don't celebrate it either becuase I couldn't care less about the parties and the howling of the carols or the santas in the stores a month before x mas, but that doesn't mean I have to take the joy away from people who do like to celebrate it because I coulda had a thanksgiving dinner

Any restriction on entering a country hurts tourism in one way or another IMO.

They might not hurt the economy so bad as they tink everybody will pay to get visas, but they hurt many workers in the tourism business.

Some people might not like border runners, (because they think they are riff raff, illegal teachers,...) but anybody who makes money out of an illegal activity will somehopw find a way to keep on doing it.

The new rules have no positive impact on tourism.

Does it matter who's comming on the street now? International media will jump on it to show how unstable Thailand is, making it even worse for Thailands tourism all over again.

Are you guys talking about home maid service or is that another one?

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/showfeatur...reID=0000000777

The 2nd question was if she were to get a fake bill through the ATM or from her store and she didn't know it was fake, is she liable for the note - that is, can they accuse her of distributing fake notes?

AKAIK liability falls to the holder of the note if they are aware of it's status, try to use it and don't report it to the police.

My wife saw a program where the police stated that even if you have one in your pocket, you are liable.

Normally my wife doesn't swear, but... well you guessed it

But now the kiosk which you bought DVD has been moved out from Central Center Pattaya since 30/9/2550 beacuse of under standard products they sold .

Better check your watch aswell to see if it's real incase you bought a Rolex.

I don't know what country you're form, but would you seriously concider going to the cops with a complaint about something you bought a year ago and THREW AWAY, has the bad economy hit you that bad