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What is the hangup with posts about bargirls? As can be seen from this very long thread (11+ pages), it is a topic a lot of people are interested in, and, after all, isn't what this forum is about, discssions about things people are interested in? www.barladies.com is a site to find/see bargirls, not to discuss/share our members' experiences with them.
Obviously you haven't been around here that long so you don't get it. What you have just said is correct, however, this forum with its admin and moderators made it very clear quite awhile ago that discussing topics concerned with bargirls is prohibited. You will sadly see that this is the one and only ongoing thread on the subject of a bargirl/s simply by default because it's a 'news' item. I was disappointed as many here were when they pulled the plug on discussing such things. I was only pointing out the fact that it seems rediculous to let this thread go on and at the same time not allow a small forum area for this type of discussion. Comprende?
You're right, only been "around here" for about 2 years, so I guess I don't know much, and was not aware of a law banning posts about bargirls. Is it stated somewhere in the signup process? I must have missed it.
I wonder what the reasoning is behind such a law, given the membership interest in the topic. Are religion and politics treads banned too? How about violence? Where does it stop? Just WHAT can we talk about, o wise one?
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That's really a whoremongers' site. If you want a good bargirl thread, you're still far more likely to find one here.
The rason for my posting this TV associated link is simple: Discussions about bargirls and bargirl related issues were banned from this forum site some months ago, yet this thread continues. I was simply trying to inform my fellow posters that this should be moved to the more appropriate website where it belongs because forum rules are being broken. And mods, don't tell me that barladies.com is in no way associated with Thai Visa. You know it is, or the link for it that I put up before would have been removed days ago.
What is the hangup with posts about bargirls? As can be seen from this very long thread (11+ pages), it is a topic a lot of people are interested in, and, after all, isn't what this forum is about, discssions about things people are interested in? www.barladies.com is a site to find/see bargirls, not to discuss/share our members' experiences with them.
well when all is said and done one must realize the type of person they are dealing with - this usually means dealing with people in a sober state - wake up people, never get involved with a bar girl period. Bar girls are in the bars for a reason, and honestly is NOT one of those reasons folks - wake the hel_l UP!
On the other side of the coin, there are many many MANY FINE BEAUTIFUL KIND SEXY and GOOD thai women that are not in bars but are available to meet and greet and have 'good' fun and relations with.
These are the ones to know,
I agree 100%. One good place to meet real Thai girls is
www.thailandfriends.com
There are many fine nice honest thai girls who would like to meet you and have a good time.
The bars girls pretty much guarentee you some action that is not all becoming of a good thai girl. I myself stay away from the bars because of that reason. Try the MILK ZONE over by CMU if you want to see what I mean.
And you don't think the bargirls go to this site also??
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Bar girls lie..............so that statement that you talk to them and ask them why
they do it, shows how ignorant you are.
Stay I while and you will learn...........if you are going to marry I bar girl,
me thinks that you will learn quite fast.
Then I must be a slow ignorant learner, I have now been married for more than 12 years to a X bargirl, and I'm telling you it has been 12 good years, and I don't know any more honest woman.
Being a reasonable person i find it hard to believe some of the posts on this topic.
I must be living on another planet i think trying to take in some of the stuff that,s been sent in.
The last statement did not say ALL bar girls lie nor did anyone else to my knowledge indicate this, and if so they are obviously wrong. ( cutter007 said bar girls lie, not all )
Some members have been lucky in finding a genuine wife but the percentage that have not are many as the posts again prove.
Do not take it as a personal if you have a good relationship, ( i also am one of the lucky ones ) and show a bit of compassion for the genuine ones who haven,t, and let,s not be smug either if we have.
I know of many that have not had such good fortune and they are not all stupid farang.
For the ones who have been stupid let them learn from there mistakes.
For the ones who have been took advantage of for being decent human beings, i feel for you all and wish you well in your future and hope your situations change for the better, especially if you have children.
marshbags
In that case he should have said, SOME BARGIRLS LIE, but then again a lot of people lie.
It would be very interesting to how many of these ex bar girls who have married or become "permanent" girlfriends of Farangs are really actually "ex", or carrying on with their previous profession, both with and without the husband's (bf's) knowledge.
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Do not judge all girls working in bars, maybe family send them to work because situation home. Not all of them choose by them self. We western people makes them be like her! Treat them nice and you got a lot back. Me also swede but do not ask to much of their background. My girl she pays when we go out and she is proud to be doing that! She also paid fine for motorbike because i treat her like a woman. But if she sees me sitting in a girly-bar i think she do like POM But then i dig my own grave.... Now we will soon be married to each other Even if she started in a bar! ฉันรักเธอ หน่อย
I hope her husband/boyfriend is invited to the wedding. I laugh at how many people say my bargirl is different ..heeheeheehee...sorry had to laugh again. Of course she pays now, the payoff at the end will be huge. Read "Private Dancer" by Stephen Leather (attached) before you marry her. I think the main female in the story's sister would interest you
If you want to marry a Thai girl meet a decent working girl. Would you marry a whore at home???**attachment deleted for copyright reasons**
From your comment I guess you have forgotten the ending to the Private Dancer story.
Thanks to whomever finally managed to get the "Private Dancer" attached. Very interesting story, and certainly very culturally accuate (IMHO), and probably accurate for this girl as well (Joy). Interesting that Pete accepted that she regularly had sex with strangers, but flipped out when he thought she was doing same with the Thai guy (presumably her bf, not a customer) in her apartment.
Also interesting is that she was only 20, and the story referenced many even younger. I haven't run into many in this age bracket, usually in the 28+ range, so perhaps I'm luckier??
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And let's not forget the MILLIONS of Thai gals who choose not to work in bars to "support their families," and so forth (and whatever other romantic reasons the punters here like to give in support of bargirls..... saving the rainforest, developing Issan real estate, etc.), but instead choose to work in factories, as waitresses, and every other conceivable low paying job AND STILL manage to send money home (ever try going to the post office on the 1st of the month?).
Heng,
You're right in some ways...but, I wager many of these MILLIONS of Thai gals who chose not to work in bars do "the same kind of work" on the side, just not in bars. Seen it a lot myself.
I've seen it a lot myself as well. They are no different than the professionals. I wouldn't include them in the group that aren't prostitutes.
Makes one wonder, just what percentage of Thai females are willing to "rent" thier bodies...especially since so many of them are so beautiful and sexy to most Farangs.
I think a lot of farangs who marry bargirls like to wishfully extrapolate that most Thai gals are bargirls of some sort. It takes away (or so they think) from the stigma of selecting a prostitute as a life or temporary partner. But I don't mean that in a condescending way, by the way. Just feel that it unfairly paints Thai girls who aren't prostitutes of any sort.
Could be, although I see no negative stigma of prostitutes...not the "Poo" kind of course, but the large population of them. Just working girls, like any other. I made the ealier comment mainly because almost every Thai woman I encounter, except the older married ones, seems to be "available" in various degrees, much the same as in the bars...just not as obvious or visible.
I would have no issue whatsoever with having a bar girl as a wife, just another job.
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And let's not forget the MILLIONS of Thai gals who choose not to work in bars to "support their families," and so forth (and whatever other romantic reasons the punters here like to give in support of bargirls..... saving the rainforest, developing Issan real estate, etc.), but instead choose to work in factories, as waitresses, and every other conceivable low paying job AND STILL manage to send money home (ever try going to the post office on the 1st of the month?).
Heng,
You're right in some ways...but, I wager many of these MILLIONS of Thai gals who chose not to work in bars do "the same kind of work" on the side, just not in bars. Seen it a lot myself.
I've seen it a lot myself as well. They are no different than the professionals. I wouldn't include them in the group that aren't prostitutes.
Makes one wonder, just what percentage of Thai females are willing to "rent" thier bodies...especially since so many of them are so beautiful and sexy to most Farangs.
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And let's not forget the MILLIONS of Thai gals who choose not to work in bars to "support their families," and so forth (and whatever other romantic reasons the punters here like to give in support of bargirls..... saving the rainforest, developing Issan real estate, etc.), but instead choose to work in factories, as waitresses, and every other conceivable low paying job AND STILL manage to send money home (ever try going to the post office on the 1st of the month?).
Heng,
You're right in some ways...but, I wager many of these MILLIONS of Thai gals who chose not to work in bars do "the same kind of work" on the side, just not in bars. Seen it a lot myself.
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Some very good posts here but only two have hit the nail on the head so to speak..
she told him a lie.....he found out
His mistake was to confront her about it in public and when drink was involved...Once again a farang who has not grasped the dire consequences of losing face in Thai society. He had two options....walk away or wait till they were both sober and in private then ask her about it calmly, What did he do???
Ok maybe she should have been truthful, But these girls learn quickly to tell the farang what he wants to hear. If she has had a child usually there are ways to identify this fact.....something he obviously didnt see or didnt want to see.
I take it this little relationship wasnt a long lasting one prior to this incident, so what gives him the right to start demanding of her just cause he has bar fined her a few times. He became aggressive and confrontational....and that created the problem.
Ok her reaction was extreme, but again if he had learnt a bit about Thai culture then he may have handled it differently.
To the guys using this thread to bash BG's....Get off the girls cases...they are not all as described in THAT book....many a fine rose can be found amongst the weeds.
YES!!!!
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i don't know which stupefies me more; the endless parade of idiot foreigners here who get themselves involved like this with low-life prostitutes, or the larger picture of how much the economy of this country is BUILT on prostitution. it truly BOGGLES the mind...
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Well; Mr. "Newworks": I bet you now feel whole lot better for having blown-off steam, huh ?!?
Before you 'classify' the Thai Bar-Girls in general as being "low-life prostitutes", perhaps you should learn a little bit more about the why and the how of Thai societity.
Your severe insult at these fellow human-beings is totally un-fair and unacceptabe.
I, for one, am not surprised that your mind boggles, by your own admission: it's pretty obvious that there's some seriously underdeveloped grey-matter where there could be common sense !
J. Klasema
Pattaya-City
who's blowing off steam?
i am well-aware of and in a subsequent post acknowledged the "why and how" to which you refer, and i don't intend to get into a knowledge-of-thai-society-credentials contest with you or anyone else in this forum. i would hold my own, trust me...
in my original post i referred to the lovely knife-wielding miss poo as a low-life, and not necessarily prostitutes in general, although it seems that i could have worded my post more thoughtfully. i thought that i clarified that in an earlier subsequent post as well. perhaps you only read the first page or two and then responded...
Newworks, good comeback. Granted, this string is so long, I would bet many have since fogotten your earlier comments.
On your "knowledge-of-thai-society-credentials contest" comment, I don't believe this issue has anything to do with anyone's depth of understanding of Thai culture. Rather merely possessing compassion for human dignity and life circumstances beyond individuals' control...ie the oft mentioned poverty situation.... in ANY country, not exclusive to Thailand. This is not a Thai thing, it's a global social issue, and evey culture deals with it in their own way, which more often than not, is very similar.
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i don't know which stupefies me more; the endless parade of idiot foreigners here who get themselves involved like this with low-life prostitutes, or the larger picture of how much the economy of this country is BUILT on prostitution. it truly BOGGLES the mind...
Low life prostitues....hmmmmm....not sure what you mean by that. Seems alittle pompous to me and naive. From my experince most are nice young ladies trying to earn a buck in a country that doesn't provide them with much option. They behave a heck of alot better than most English girls out on a Friday night thats for sure and they don't fill every sentence with swearing. Yes there are bad ones but there are just as many horrible girls back home who are what I call sluts.
As for the economy built on prostitution.....probably. They have ceratinly enticed millions of people from all over the globe and brought billions of dollars into an otherwise poor nation. Good luck to them !
Where would Thailand be without them, especially as it seems they are kept down and not provided with the necessary education or employment where they can ever earn much money. Bit like South Africa in the good old days eh ? An underclass who provided cheap labour to a tiny elite of wealthy people..........someone's nots stupid.Blue Unicorn, Thank you for your insiteful comments. I totally agree.
I don't know what's up with "Neworks", but sounds like he's had a few bad experiences with BGs.
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Talking about the so-called "cultural underpinnings" of prostitution in Thailand denies the importance of recent sex-imperialist history. Thailand's destination as an "R & R" destination for US troops during the Vietnam war in the 1970s undoubtedly gave a massive impetus to the sex-industry.
I find it strange, and disturbing, that most of these posts indicate a high distaste for the oldest profession in the world, and seem to implicate Thailand as a "world center" for prostitution. There is prostitution all over the world, even where it is illegal and the law is enforced, just not as visible.
Is prostitution so bad, and the bargirls so evil to be deserving of many of the degrading posts here? From just this thread there are several posts of very happy marriages to these "low life, evil..." creatures.
Come on guys, if it weren't for us men, there wouldn't be prostitutes. Poo showed a bad and violent side that I would wager is not typical of BGs, and is also NOT unique to Thai prostitutes. Ever been to France or China???
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All this reminds me of one of Bernard Trink's mottoes. The motto was/is:
"Never, never never never never never never ever marry a bar girl."
Trink was notoriously over-cynical. He also used to say things like, "The Thai national pastime is ripping off farang." The many TV members with happy marriages to former BGs are proof it can work if you choose carefully.
Regarding BGs and violence, a key factor is that many of them have extremely low self-esteem and are therefore very sensitive to any criticism and much more likely to lose it and get violent after some perceived slight.
A typical story is she has been raised in some village and socialised to believe totally that her virginity is everything and without it she is nothing. Then she's either seduced by or marries some local Romeo, who subsequently abandons her. Drifting into bar work with such a fragile ego she's much quicker to reach a violent flashpoint than the average Thai.
I agree totally, especially the most likely path to the profession, and being abandoned by "some Romeo"...most likely a Thai man.
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The mother of my son worked in a Bar in Koh Samui and now lives in Norway with my son and her Norwegian husband. I couldn't offer her what she deserved. She's one of the kindest, most honest people I've met in my 43 years of life.
How dare any of you categorise all girls who work in bars as untrustworthy low lifes. What does that make you? You're using their services aren't you?
You think life's hard at home? Go to some of the villages in Issan and then maybe you'll see things in a different light.
Another WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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well when all is said and done one must realize the type of person they are dealing with - this usually means dealing with people in a sober state - wake up people, never get involved with a bar girl period. Bar girls are in the bars for a reason, and honestly is NOT one of those reasons folks - wake the hel_l UP!
On the other side of the coin, there are many many MANY FINE BEAUTIFUL KIND SEXY and GOOD thai women that are not in bars but are available to meet and greet and have 'good' fun and relations with.
These are the ones to know,
If i understand you right you judge every woman working in a bar for their family, like bad meat? I think you have to talk with a bar-girl and ask her why she do it. Most of the girls comes from poor parts of Thailand like the girls you say is better then them. My girlfriend had to go work in bar before she and i met, please understand the poor people in Thailand! They are proud and they are in many ways better then we are (Farangs) because some men goes only to thailand for easy sex!! Treat every Thai-woman with respect even if they working in a bar.
WELL SAID!!!! The fact is that most bar girls work there because they have to to survive, since they usually send 80+% of what they make back to their families.
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What??? Is nobody going to welcome Thailand becoming a hub of Internet Blocking???
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Does anyone know if "Sanook" website can be switched to Angrit?
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I could use similar advice. I want to bring my gf to Hawaii for a week or so vacation. She runs several of her own business, typical Thai style, nothing "official" (not pay taxes), but I can easily prove I will pay for whole trip, in fact it will be prepaid. Anything special I should do? Do these "Visa Services" really help?
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I agree totally with this! Many of these "great" features are rarely used or are available. This new card should focus on what isn't already offered, like the health insurance or car insurance discount. A 24/7 ENGLISH SPEAKING roadside service call in number would be VERY helpful as well. I know this is offered by some cards (SCB in particular), but the "English speaking" is in name only.
Love the idea though, I'm in.
bp
...Finally - don't assume that many of your members don't already have some of these features as p[art of their existing credit card agreements. I carry an Amex gold card which has all these features anyway and I can honestly say that I don't use any of them!
No - keep it simple. Tie the deal in with a good health insurance policy and promote the "Look what I've got" appeal.
(A whole lot less headaches too!)
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I think the work permit fee is up around 160,000 baht, unless you're married to a Thai, than it's "only" 90,000
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fellas, before you reach for your weapons.
Just realise that there are some smart people who work for the Thai government who aren't rabid prudes.
What these people do is set up either powerless ministry's or departments where they stick all these prudes (or 'old heads' in Thai). For most of the year they get to work on useless memo's to each other and get a civil serivce ranking and pension for them which gives them the 'status' that they so desire.
Then every year, just before Songkran, they let them out of the asylum to put out their one spaggetti strap related media release for the year.
Everyone from their PM down nods their head seriously to humour them. Then they are led back into the asylum, and the key is put away until next year when they are let out once more.
This is the funniest thing I have ever heard!
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fellas, before you reach for your weapons.
Just realise that there are some smart people who work for the Thai government who aren't rabid prudes.
What these people do is set up either powerless ministry's or departments where they stick all these prudes (or 'old heads' in Thai). For most of the year they get to work on useless memo's to each other and get a civil serivce ranking and pension for them which gives them the 'status' that they so desire.
Then every year, just before Songkran, they let them out of the asylum to put out their one spaggetti strap related media release for the year.
Everyone from their PM down nods their head seriously to humour them. Then they are led back into the asylum, and the key is put away until next year when they are let out once more.
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I would like to take exception to a few comments about major building projects being late all over the world. The Japanese have become zen masters of precision large scale planning with large projects hitting schedules right on target over and over. In particular, the last winter Olympics held there was one of the best planned and operated in history.
No, this whirlwind of incompetence is plain fun to watch in Thailand. I think it is best when I take a cue from the Thais and laugh with all this zany posturing and not at the people involved. There is a differance between offending your host and enjoying the show. It will eventually open when it is ready to be open despite the best efforts of either political party. It will be rife with operational start up bugs, there will be at least a few corruption cases associated with it, and in the end we will all be coming to one of the nicest airports in the world stuck right in the middle of nowhere with a three hour taxi ride to get to Bangkok.
I would like to differ on the Japanese projects. Look at the airport they build in the middle of the bay (Osaka, think). It may have been on time (don't know for sure) but it's SINKING! I would rather have an airport late than have to jack up a few metres every year or so.
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I had the same problem with getting some Rx shipped from the U.S. via FedEx.
They were held up at Don Muang and I was told I had to go to the airport office to pick them up, after I presented them with a local Thai doctor's certificate. I explained that the labels on the Rx bottles were certificates, and, needing the medicines, offered to pay any "fees" (knowing full they were outright bribes).
I would up paying almot 3000 Baht for 2000 Baht worth of Rx. Never again with FedEx.
Btw, I every single item I have tried to send via Thai post has been stolen. Not ONE made it to the destination, either internationally or domestically.
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I'm glad the crisis is over, but for future reference, does anyone know what the exact details of the rare blood needed?
All I've ever heard of are a letter type and a negative or positive.
Btw, I'm B negative
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