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21 hours ago, Loiner said:

What’s so bad about an EU army? Guess you think your offspring would be safely at the back somewhere.
Theres always the strong possibility that they would be pushing British regiments to the front of any EU manufactured dispute with Russia or anybody else.

When the British are a member of a - by far not existing European army - yes.. just like the Portugese, Spanish, Italian, Maltese, Danish etc regiments.

Same when the Argentines want to repeat to get the Malvinas/Falklands again, as the Royal Navy now by far does not have the capacity of then, so French, German, Italian, Dutch etc naval ships have to join.

This medal also has two sides.

21 hours ago, nauseus said:

An EU army will give military control to the EU over its peoples. It won't have the capability to challenge any existing superpower. You are so blinkered! Why should the UK hand over years of capability, investment and expertise to the EU? This is the prime reason to leave! 

Which expertise the EU member states do not have yet, but will need ? 

On 9/9/2019 at 3:12 PM, welovesundaysatspace said:

What is so bad about a common European army?

Nothing is bad about it, they’re just clutching straws while at the same time enjoying NATO. 

Why to be dependant of a guy in a White House in Washington DC- USA ?

Time Europe ( with or without the English) is able to defend itsself.

Remember Bosnia/Kosovo: the Europeans were able to nothing. Needed the Yanks for everything. 

On 9/9/2019 at 1:01 PM, billd766 said:

All the time that some 650 elected people called parliament keeps faffing about the more it costs the UK. Being elected as an MP does not give them super powers and it really doesn't matter if they think it does.

 

They were elected by, and are paid for the people of the UK to represent those people, but most of them should be charged with dereliction of duty and taking money under false pretenses. 

 

For a couple of years the opposition have been shouting and ranting for an election and now Boris has offered them one.

 

Do they want it, will they take it now?

 

Not a fracking chance because, if they did, many of them would not be returning to the cushy life they have now.

So, for what "Leave" the British voted for with an overwhelming and landslide majority of 51,88% ? ( and 48,11 % for only ONE alternative: "REMAIN" )

A Brexit with no deal, a Boris Cummings deal -whatever that might be - , a May deal, a CEPA ( Canada) deal, a Norway deal, a Swiss deal, or … 

Do all understand and accept the consequenses like import duty of British products into the EU according WTO rules = for instance 10% on cars, but a LOT higher for agricultural products like confectionaly, meat etc.

The only thing I gave seen is a 350 mln pounds a week for the NHS ( = 18,2Bn, while the NET UK contribution to the EU  is less than 7,9 Bn, so inclusive all what is done now together, in my - food - field: EFSA, RASFF.

On 9/9/2019 at 12:13 PM, snoop1130 said:

Johnson: I want a Brexit deal but parliament doesn't daunt me

 

Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson gestures as he speaks next to Ireland's Prime Minister (Taoiseach) Leo Varadkar (not pictured) in Dublin, Ireland, September 9, 2019. REUTERS/Phil Noble

 

DUBLIN (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Monday he wanted a Brexit deal on Oct. 18 and that he was undaunted by attempts by parliament to block a no-deal exit.

 

“I’m absolutely undaunted by whatever may take place in parliament,” Johnson said. “I think what the British people want us to do is to deliver a deal and to get on and take us out on Oct. 31.”

 

Speaking in Ireland alongside Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, Johnson said he was bringing ideas on ways to resolve the Irish border backstop but that a breakthrough was unlikely on Monday.

 

“I have one message that I want to land with you today, Leo, that is I want to find a deal, I want to get a deal,” Johnson said. “Like you I’ve looked carefully at no-deal, I’ve assessed its consequences both for our country and yours.”

 

“And yes, of course, we could do it, the UK could certainly get through it but be in no doubt that outcome would be a failure of statecraft for which we would all be responsible,” Johnson said.

 

“So for the sake of business, for farmers, and millions of ordinary people who are counting on us to use our imagination and creativity to get this done. I want you to know I would overwhelmingly prefer to find an agreement.”

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-09

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So.. present YOUR ideas of a correct deal, especially an open border between N and S Ireland. Till now, nobody heard anything. pfiffle wiffle, pfaffle waffle… 

2 hours ago, JAG said:

No, the government of the United Kingdom signed the Good Friday Agreement. The Government of the Republic of Ireland also signed, as did various parties involved in politics in the province of Northern Ireland. Neither the British Empire ( which, rather like the Dutch Empire for that matter is pretty well a thing of the past) nor the EU were party to it. The agreement (GFA) removed conventional border controls on the Island of Ireland. The government of the UK has no intention of reinstating them. The EU is the driving force behind reinstating them. 

 

Never mind, having piled so many chips (perhaps we should say "frittes") on your shoulders it is understandable that you don't wish the facts to get in the way of your little jibe!

So, the ironly about the "British Empire" was clear.

2) I thought, the UK want sovereignity between their borders. Which border, where ? 

At least, the EU - just like any country, federation or Union - wants to have BORDERS, which are not open for a 500 km without any control. To give you an example: in my working years ( around 1988) , as dried fruit trader, the EU agreed a minimum import price for raisins when Greece joined the EU. When the import price was too low, an extra levy (even till DM 300/ton) could be charged. By coincidence, the Californians, Chileans, South Africans nor Australians were affected, ONLY the Turks.

In ONE year, 800.000 tons of raisins were imported into the EU from.. Switserland, seen the open border with the EU. The EU will NEVER make such a blunder again.

Can you imagine an open N-S Irish border ? And the EU to set up some camps for migrants from Asia and Africa now stuck at the gGreek islands or in Ceuta, just 100 mtr away from that line... I wonder what Boris the Liar and his brains Dominic Cummins will say then. Drinking tea with milk or warm beer will not solve the problem then anymore.

But, Boris will soon come with a solution, as most of the 30 days are already gone. ( I still see Merkel laughing after the reply of Boris ) 

10 hours ago, JAG said:

That is perhaps the thinking behind Mr Varadkar's suggestions. 

 

Ah, wait, what about the Good Friday Agreement requirement that unification will require the consent of the people of Northern Ireland?

 

Oh, silly me. I should have realised, this is now a matter for the European Community - voting on it is now, how shall we say, less central to the issue?

Who wrote any unification of N + S Ireland will NOT be with the Mutual consent of both nations ?

Has NOTHING even to do with the EU, only with the N+S Irish and maybe the UK ( or England) 

7 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

As I said earlier, the British parliament may huff and puff but it's up to the Europeans to grant an extension, and it seems the French aren't that keen - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/08/france-threatens-to-veto-further-brexit-extension

Why the EU should grand an extention atgain ?

may: 29 March… WE LEAVE

Then postponement till.. 12 April

Then.. again, not the slightest idea, what to do, except no, no, no, no, no, to.. France would allow 3 months, but was convinced to accept 6 months.

What is the conclusion at present ? Still the same, the British do not have the slightest agreement among themselves.. So.. sorry, finished.

16 hours ago, Joinaman said:

Could you also include the full wording to the public of the Lisbon treaty and how this will effect the people of the UK if we remain in your simple question to the people ?

Please also include the cost to the Uk on staying in the EU, and what additional cost the Lisbon treaty will have , on our laws, our freedoms. our armed services, our parliament

Perhaps someone as clever as you can give us the answers to these questions, or is everything just your biased opinion

Ask the EU council, which consists of the heads of government of each EU member state, and the ONLY decision body. If the UK PM does NOT agree, there will be no decision. All others are ONLY allowed to come with suggestions, like the EU parliament with their 3 Spitzencandidates. At the end.. the Council decides = Von der Leyen as president of the EU Committee, a kind of ministers. Time to learn some of how the EU words... UK being a member since 1972 = 47 years.. a little bit time to do so.

2) Armed service: there is only ONE military alliance the UK is in: NATO. Any EU force... is tried since 1947 and failed completely till now. Also ne expectation it will come to a vote the coming 20 years. And if.. it will still the UK PM to accept, and after the UK Parliament to vote about that. So, pure Dominic Cummins nonsense.

3) Think also of the import duty, which will NOT be levied on UK goods into the EU when the UK is still a member. The UK contribution is just a small portion of that. Total NET contribution of the UK to the EU is a 7,8 Bn pounds, the rest is Cummins nonsense.

4) Think of all activities done now together, which teh UK shall have to bare alone after a Brexit. In my = food job: EFSA, RASFF

6 hours ago, JAG said:

That is perhaps the thinking behind Mr Varadkar's suggestions. 

 

Ah, wait, what about the Good Friday Agreement requirement that unification will require the consent of the people of Northern Ireland?

 

Oh, silly me. I should have realised, this is now a matter for the European Community - voting on it is now, how shall we say, less central to the issue?

20 1/2 years ago the British Empire ( or better wat is left of it) signed an agreement: the Good Friday agreement. Now already just a piece of paper, as a signature of the Uk proves to be worthless

On 9/5/2019 at 8:07 PM, Slip said:

Please provide details of this 'smuggling' that has been going over the 'border' between EU UK and EU Ireland.

Both are still in the EU, so till 31 Oct.. no use.

But to tell some of my working experience:

When the Greeks joined the EU, a minimum import price of raisins was negotiated ( could cost up till DM 300/ton if price was under this MIP. By coincidence, not the Californians, the Chileans, South Africans nor Australians were hit, but ONLY the Turks. Via the open border with Switzerland, in one year, 800.000 tons of raisins were imported into the EU.

The EU will NEVER accept such a hole in their controlled borders anymore.

2 hours ago, dexterm said:

USA sent a hostile drone into Iranian airspace and Trump supposedly was within 15 minutes of starting a war, after Iran shot it down.

Who told that ? Boris the Liar, or his colleague Donald Trump ? 

12 hours ago, MadMuhammad said:

Yep agreed. America should just pull out all their forces across the globe and let the world police itself....

And when it rains rockets with nuclear loads in it.. pity for that nation. ( till of course Your or MY nation is at stake. Then we cry the entire would should come to help us…. like the British and French in 1914-18, again in 1940-45, South Korea 1952-54, South Vietnam ( remind the boat fugitives, who knew maybe 10% would survice the journey out of the Glorius Socialistic state of Vietnam), Kuwait ( 1991), Bosnia and Kosovo in 1993-97, Liberia and Sierra Leone... And now the Kurds again, who does not want to be terminated by Putin and Assad, or be killed by Erdogan ?

And when a government decides to kill a minority because… like the Ukrain farmers in 1930-35 by the Sovjets, or the Nazi's the jews in 1941-45, Zimbabwe the entire opposition of the Ndebele ethnic group, in Cambodia 1/3 of the population, Darfur, south Sudan, than turn a blind eye and a deaf ear… 

20 minutes ago, GuyFawkes said:

Just a thought - was it a waste of time passing the bill to delay Brexit?  I ask because a newspaper is tonight reporting:

 

The EU will refuse another delay to Brexit in the current circumstances, according to the France's Foreign Minister.  Jean-Yves Le Drian said on Sunday that as things stand, a delay beyond the October 31 deadline would not be granted. 

 

Asked if a Brexit delay was possible, the French minister told Europe 1 radio not under the current conditions.  "We are not going to do [extend] this every three months," he added. "The British must tell us what they want." He described the current situation as "very worrying".

 

Only askin!!!!!

First of all: the EU is NOT only France. There are 26 other EU members.

2) Can you imagine: the daddy of the family tells the local sports club he wants to cancel the family's membership, and..he will NOT honour the commitments he signed for, but insists… to use the club's pub, the shower and parking facilities. His wife is mordicus against, and the children cannot agree, to continue with whatever sports and where. This already for over 3 1/2 years since the letter to cancel the membership. What you think, that local sports club will do with such a members ?

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The Dollar, the Aus dollar and many other currencies are also down on the baht. Whats their excuse they have nothing to do with Brexit.

A few graphs say more as a million ( unfunded ) words.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-per-capita

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&idim=country:GBR:USA:CAN&hl=nl&dl=nl#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:GBR:USA:CAN:AUS:DEU:THA:VNM:PHL:IDN:CHN&ifdim=region&hl=nl&dl=nl&ind=false

Just now, Pique Dard said:

boris must stop smoking pot, only then he will understand the reality

I wish it was only smoking pot. I am more afraid his brains are called "Dominic Cummings". 

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

a) Yes a GE and then the people can decide. 

The Dollar, the Aus dollar and many other currencies are also down on the baht. Whats their excuse they have nothing to do with Brexit.

Why not a simple question to the British peieople:

a) seen all information what popped up the last 3 1/2 year: you still prefer "leave" above "remain"?

b) if leave: which form:

b1) the Boris/Cummings way: out, whatever the consequences, so no if's and but's, better die in the ditch as member of the EU ?

b2) the May deal

b3) the Canadian (CEPA) condition

b4) the Norway agreement

b5) the Swiss agreement

b6) an agreement we cannot specify yet, so goverment, come with a better proposal as till now.

Why people have to vote indirect = or Cons or Labour or LibDem or Green or... and then pray for the outcome of "Brexit".

Ah.. wait.. it's a) who is your fear = "remain"

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Preparatory work may already be underway! 

Better not waste time, but organise a referendum: OR stay in the UK, join "leave", and .. what form of "leave" OR stay in the EU = finally free again from London colonialism.

What Boris and his brains  Dominic Cummings will do to stop: send in the army ? 

6 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

It's the role of parliament to scrutinise the government; it's not parliament's role to be the government

And when Parliament is for the majority convinced the governement is going the wrong way, they have to interfear. Exactly as is done.

6 hours ago, Victornoir said:

 Yes, October 31 at the latest, as promised.
Or organize a second referendum, but out of pity, let's stop this indecision.
Uncertainty is bad for the EU and killer for the UK.

Only ONE solution: let the British "enjoy" their no deal Brexit for a year or so. Pity for the voters of "remain", but it will unify the country again

After that,

a) 95+% of the British ( or only the English, as the Scots + N-Irish "Left" before the Glorious UK) will "crawl on their knees" to "Brussels" to ask for a re-membership again, and all sabotage as from Thatcher onwards is over forever. ( as Charles de Gaulle said already in 1963: The British are Island dwellers, and will NEVER feel themselves continental Europeans )

b) The rest of the world has seen how dangerous it is to follow lying demagogues, and to vote with the "belley" instead of with the "brains". 

To give you an example:

For decades the environmentalists were against any increase of the Dutch river dikes, as.. here was a special tree to protect, there the nest of a buzywonderbirds, another place the twisted-tail salamander... till in 1 feb. 1995 it really went wrong and a 250.000 people with as much as they "could carry" had to be evacuated out of the area between Rhine and Maas, sometimes in hours ( area around Ochten).  https://wikikids.nl/Evacuatie_van_het_Rivierenland

https://hydro-social-deltas.un-ihe.org/sites/hydro-social-deltas.un-ihe.org/files/mosquera_internship_report.pdf

After that… never any comment anymore about enlarging and expanding the river dikes.

7 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

Excellent news. Has anyone told the EU they're not allowed to say "no" to an extension request?

The EU did not hear anything new from the Glorious Leader nor his brains Cummings yet.

7 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Oh dear God no. Not this (bus) again!

A lie will follow you, till the lie is stopped and corrected.

8 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

What is factually incorrect about that?

It's a suggestion of what the money could be used for.

Is that difficult to comprehend?

52 weeks x 350 mln = 18,2 Bn pounds.

See the paper CBP 7886 of 24 June 2019 of the HoC Library: the net contribution of the UK is at max 7,9 Bn.

Where to get the other 10 Bn from ? The Brexiteers pay that form their own pockets ?

8 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

Really ?  I heard a lot of lies, especially from Brexiteers.

 

 

 

 

For sure the Brexiteers will stand as one man behind the promise of their Glorious Leader:  no but's of if's, better break their neck than their words… die in the ditch before brakingtheir promise .. they will pay this 350 mln pounds even out of their own pockets..  ( ha ha ha ha ) 

8 hours ago, JAG said:

Well the EU is delighted - Westminster is doing it's bidding. I believe that it is called a transfer of sovereignty - wherever possible done without having to resort to actually asking the people.

I advise you to learn how the EU works as "transfer of sovereignty" is IMPOSSIBLE.

The EU top decision layer is the EU council, consisting of the leaders of government of the EU member states, so inclusive the British.

The EU Commission exists of a commissioner ( more seen as a kind of minister)  of each EU member state, so .. still… inclusive the British

The 3rd is the EU parliament, inclusive British members.

The rest are civil servants, inclusive quite some British   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Civil_Service . As soon as the UK leaves the EU, they could

(  As of 1 January 2018 there are staff from all member states, with the largest group being Belgian (15.7% – 5,060 out of 32,196). From the larger member states, 12.1% were Italian, 9.9% French, 7.5% Spanish, 6.7% German, 4.4% Polish and 2.8% British.^[5] =  https://ec.europa.eu/info/about-european-commission/organisational-structure/commission-staff_en )

Different as the UK, the EU will honour their cont4racts and obligations, meaning: No Brit will see his job cancelled ONLY because of Brexit, but they can continue till their contract expires. When it is one for .. "till retirement", they will have a job at the EU till… their retirements.

The EU does not run away from its obligations as the British do.