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Even in the BBC we had
""That there was corruption is undeniable; there is plenty of evidence. The generous subsidy was also financially unsustainable."
From the same article, the following sentence in fact :
[...]Nor were Ms Yingluck's opponents able to explain how impeachment was possible against a politician who has already been removed from office, and by an assembly entirely appointed by the military. So this was not about corruption, or the rule of law. [...]
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The ammart have made a big mistake by inserting an ugly and ill-tempered simpleton. Thai people are charmed by good looks & a mild manner.
True, true, good looks and mild manner can get away with murder, 700 billion Baht losses, lying and cheating.
'rule of law' has no meaning for those especially when they're also Amply Rich and have a big, caring brother.
The rule of law (also known as nomocracy) is the legal principle that law should govern a nation, as opposed to decisions by individual government officials.
A kangaroo court of hand picked military brasses and officials is the polar opposite of 'rule of law' however many times you repeat it.
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History will see him as a savor of Thailand and truth be known there will be a 20 ft statue to honor him in Chiang Mai.
Haha....
My business partner (who I respect dearly) is the head of the yellow shirts in my area, he's a sensible guy who wants the greater good for Thailand, his wife however is a crazy Hiso who hysterically shouts all wide eyed whenever there is a discussion... you remind me of the latter
Wikileaks revealed Suthep's own camp complains about his corruption... you believe he's a saint you are no different than the people who make Thaksin a hero... you don't know it but you are two sides of the same coin, both part of the problem not the solution.
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Wow, you're utterly clueless. Suthep wanted mayhem and death. He RELISHED the violence.
Suthep like him or hate him , Will go down as a Hero in Thai history... And he is a Hero... He risked his life daily to bring down the most openly corrupt government ever to be installed in Thailand... Long live the King..!
he will go down as a megalomaniac who brought down the elected government by brute force
and please do not bring His Majesty into it
He will also go down as the man whose greed and land grabs as a minister brought down Chuan Leekpai democratically-elected government before there even was a Thaksin in politics... escaping prosecution by .... wait for it... paying protesters to march in the streets of Bangkok.
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Yes general, micromanaging a beach one day per week, a floating market..... that will bring all the tourists back
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Which reminds me….Did he finish up banning the newspaper for printing material that he didn't like?
No. He lodged a complaint...
Turns out this undemocratic Junta is more democratic than the last "democratic" government...
I don't remember the last government owning half the terrestrial TV stations or running compulsory soviet style programming.
That is because you have a selective memory my dear friend.
Newspapers considered “critical” of the all shin governments had their advertisements pulled, first by the advertising agency owned by the thaksins family, then later by state enterprises under government control. Toeing the government line brought financial rewards. “Friendly” newspapers had been pleasantly surprised by the increased advertisements from business concerns related to the country’s CEO’s empire.
Soviet style programming?
The yingluck happy hour once week on TV? Or the red villages? Or the UDD schools?
If anything the Junta are mimicking the PTP. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. So when you accuse the Junta of being anti democratic you are inadvertently showing that they have the deepest respect for the PTP.
Nice post and have a lovely day my friend.
You are comparing YL's weekly show, even Abhisit's for that matter, with the Military outright ownership of channel 5, channel 7. and Marshall law compulsory programming on ALL TV channels.
Seriously??
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Which reminds me….Did he finish up banning the newspaper for printing material that he didn't like?
No. He lodged a complaint...
Turns out this undemocratic Junta is more democratic than the last "democratic" government...
I don't remember the last government owning half the terrestrial TV stations or running compulsory soviet style programming.
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It's kind of curious though, how AFP always mentions the rice pledging scheme as funneling money to Thaksin's base among NE farmers. But somehow, they conveniently seem to forget it was YL's government's failure to actually pay those farmers what they were owed that led to a lot of the protests at the time.
It was Thaksin's OTHER supporters and cronies -- not the common people farmers -- who didn't end up having to wait months to get their substantial serving from the gravy train.
While others will conveniently forget it was the street protests, disruption of elections and threats of legal backlash that meant Thai commercial bank withheld the loans.
It was the law that meant the Thai commercial banks withheld their loans. A care-taker government is not allowed to take on new debt. The banks are not allowed to give loans to care-taker governments.
Look at firestar's join date. Now, look how active he has just become. Troll? I think so. I refuse to answer him as he is always making loose and non-factual statements.
Then don't.
If you did please explain how the street protest didn't lead to Yingluck's caretaker status in the first place, or how Suthep didn't threaten the banks while there was still some debate over the loans or how the PDRC didn't sometimes just resort to outright violence to impede the sale of rice http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/protesters-stall-rice-auction
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Will make it all the more amusing when a Thaksin affiliated party wins the next election.
Oh, we thought of that. The requirements in the Constitution will be enhanced a bit. It will exclude political parties affiliated, or owned / managed by known criminals. I think even in Italy the Mafia is not allowed to be politically involved, a field trip seems in order
Awww that's a cute but I think you'll find a different mafia will be quietly running the country . One that has enough power never to be convicted.
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180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters
310 - 0
310 - 0.
180 - 18
180 - 18
Which one do you think is more democratic????
Thank you for highlighting why reform is needed.
<EDIT> I got to add this one.
The 310 - 0 was to represent the wishes of an accused mass murderer, accused terrorist and convicted criminal fugitive that is unelectable….
The 180 - 18 vote was voted for by the people that think the vote above was not a representation of the majority...
So even the Junta, who never purported to be democratic show through their voting they are more democratic that the PTP why purport to be democratic...
Have a democratic day my dear friend and I hope I can buy you a reconciliation beer at the TV bar next week.
One more.
One more poster who can't see the difference between a whole National Assembly and an individual party.
A National Assembly is suppose to represent all citizens whereas an individual party it's voters, a party who votes has forces of opposition: other parties, the senate etc. An Individual Party more often than not in democratic countries adheres to party lines. Whole National Assemblies only in Burma, North Korea...
Unbelievable
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How can Yingluck be impeached when she isn't in office and no one has been tried never mind convicted yet?
not even moderate "yellows" think this is good news. it just shows that after months of trying General Prayuth gave in to hardliners and went ahead.
Decades more of color coded politics is what awaits, but the TV yellow crazies won't mind they'll cheer like it's a football game.
How can she be impeached? Didn't you watch the news?
'rule of law', holding a former PM to her responsibilities and accountability. Only crazies seem to have a problem with that.
Haha.... I won't even go into your trolling, if you want accountability please google "Suthep palm oil" and ask yourself why he is left alone.
Anyway, apart from the fact you didn't care much about "the rule of law" when ballot votes where hijacked you haven't answered the question:
Impeachment is the removal of an official, how can the NLA impeach someone who isn't currently an official?
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Shortly after her impeachment, Ms Yingluck was due to hold a news conference at a Bangkok hotel.
But troops arrived and prevented her from speaking.
BBC
that says it all
You're surprised?
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How can Yingluck be impeached when she isn't in office and no one has been tried never mind convicted yet?
not even moderate "yellows" think this is good news. it just shows that after months of trying General Prayuth gave in to hardliners and went ahead.
Decades more of color coded politics is what awaits, but the TV yellow crazies won't mind they'll cheer like it's a football game.
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This was all cut and dried neatly packaged and rubber stamped. The 18 that voted against will no doubt be shunned.180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters
The 18 will be just fine.
The powers that be didn't want a repeat of the 99% in favor vote that got them mocked by the foreign press last time.
Lesson learned, have to keep up appearances.
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Better than 304 to Nil.
And another one who doesn't understand the difference between an individual party and a National Assembly.
An individual party of MP's all paid a salary by a convicted criminal fugitive on top of their MP's salary and all voting has he wished and instructed.
As against an appointed assembly being allowed to vote based on evidence presented.
Seems clear enough.
You managed to squeeze all that yellow shirt rhetoric in two sentences. congrats.
A National Assembly is suppose to represent all citizens whereas an individual party it's voters, a party can vote as one but has forces of opposition, other parties, the senate etc. A National Assembly that votes as one has a name but you're not going to like it.....
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I'm sure her brother did very well out of the scheme........his wealth jumped some 30 billion over the past couple of years
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His total worth is estimated at $1.7 billion, mostly from the sale of AIS and nowhere near the richest Thai anymore.
Hmmm.... any source for your estimate?
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Better than 304 to Nil.
And another one who doesn't understand the difference between an individual party and a National Assembly.
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180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters
Is that anything like a 310 to 0 vote by the PTP on the bill to give Thaksin, Abhisit, Suthep and 25,000 + people accused of corruption (and themselves also) a pardon?
Shame on the PTP and its anti democratic master.
PTP is an individual party not a National Assembly can't you see the difference??
Yes I can. At the time the PTP government was ruling the country and attempting to do just about anything it wanted.
The NLA isn't.
If the PTP was "ruling the country" why did the bill follow the proper channels go to the senate and was voted down?
If PTP "ruled the country" surely they would have the power, like the NCPO, to suspend the constitution and force it through.
You still can't see the difference between voting as an individual party and a National Assembly? Unbelievable.
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It's kind of curious though, how AFP always mentions the rice pledging scheme as funneling money to Thaksin's base among NE farmers. But somehow, they conveniently seem to forget it was YL's government's failure to actually pay those farmers what they were owed that led to a lot of the protests at the time.
It was Thaksin's OTHER supporters and cronies -- not the common people farmers -- who didn't end up having to wait months to get their substantial serving from the gravy train.
While others will conveniently forget it was the street protests, disruption of elections and threats of legal backlash that meant Thai commercial bank withheld the loans.
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What I like about the yellow ultra-partisans is that first it was about "democracy" then "national reconciliation".... every time it's then thrown out the window ...nothing matters not corruption not national interest it's only about getting a win against the Shinawatras.
When even The Nation starts questioning the stretch it is to link Yingluck to rice scheme corruption and brings up the words political persecution you have to start wondering..- 6
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180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters
Is that anything like a 310 to 0 vote by the PTP on the bill to give Thaksin, Abhisit, Suthep and 25,000 + people accused of corruption (and themselves also) a pardon?
Shame on the PTP and its anti democratic master.
PTP is an individual party not a National Assembly can't you see the difference??
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180 to 18 , well the NLA is not loaded one way then is it. Shame on them and their anti democratic masters
It was a democratic vote - they weren't told how to vote unlike the red shirts
Democratic vote...... bwahahahah
NLA members were ALL selected by the National Council For Peace And Order.
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The same NLA ( military and hand picked senators) who voted for the general 0% against?
One thing can be said is that they are good at following orders
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Luckily we still have the "journalists" at
@pravdathe Nation to tell it like it is.....
'Democracy has died in Thailand today': Thai ex-PM Yingluck
in Thailand News
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Sure they did.
The same senators who owe their seats to the last Junta voted on evidence alone