BygonKeaw

I don't find it any more sinister than a bunch of wealthy chaps getting together at the country club, and discussing their local community.

Nor do I think that there is some grand sinister plan.

As I stated, I think it is a bunch of people with common interests, and of common social strata, which are drawn together to discuss the issues of the day.

What you are missing from my post, is that I am fully aware that these people may come to form certain conclusions (ie- one world government is good), and being the ones who have power to make change, bring about the very change you worry about. Fait Accompli.

No sinister group, nor sinister people, just powerful self interested people who have the power to bring about change, even without a plan to do so.

Is it fair if they bring about there change by manilpuating finiancial crisis/wars to get there way? There is a very very high if not definate chance there doing this?? Actually i would say certain but would you be happy about this?

Bygon,

Watched your video, and found it quite interesting. It didn't really answer any questions, just posed many reasonable ones. Also, it was guilty of presenting things as facts, without substantiating. That said, there are a lot of reasonable people asking reasonable questions, and I think the government owes it to those who have lost so much (family members as well as 2 wars) to explain things. Sure they will get to it shortly after closing Gitmo, releasing the torture photos, etc, etc.

As for Bilderberg, not so amazing that rich and powerful people would meet together, and even discuss the world and what they think is good for it. I really dont believe in some secret sinister group acting in concert. To say that these people share common interests, and that people are self interested, is reasonable enough, and may result in the same outcome as your sinister group.

Yes your right but why are the questions refused to be answered?? Its quite simple really get the president of the usa to show us a decent clip from the 87 security cameras around the pentagon all pointing at the pentagon and show us that plane hitting. After all its the most protected building on the planet isnt it.

Prove the millions wrong and then we can all relax and remember what such a beautiful planet we live on with lots of lovely american/uk leaders trying to protect us for the good of the world!

Arguments?? You cant argue you silly uneducated old fool. You have admitted to many times already you dont look at both sides.

Why do all the donuts end up in pattaya???

Or i could just say naam...........Your way behind times mate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4

Of course planes hit the towers but u need to research about the arabs that apparently flew them. 4 are still alive btw.

the ones which climbed the Nanga Parbat with my grandmother last year and none of them used oxygen masks?

http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

Oh 4 were still alive since when the bbc reported it in 2002 since then they have found alot more are alive. Oh dear It must of been bin laden in one of those planes, thats why they cant find him.

BK, here's what you said:

"Of course planes hit the towers but u need to research about the arabs that apparently flew them. 4 are still alive"

-it is highly unlikely that those who flew the planes are still alive.

-it is a fact that scores of people in arab countries are bearing the same names as the hijackers.

question: if the hijackers had been westerners named John Smith, Ole Svenson, Werner Müller, Jean-Claude Meunier, etc. (or used these names) would the existence of their "comrades in name" prove that the attack was a part of a conspiracy arranged by the Bilderbergs, Illuminati, Zionists, Greenpeace, Pope, KGB, Thaksin or whoever?

I said apparently flew the planes. Just watch the documentary or shut up.

Im right along with millions of awakened people and your wrong again. The only evidence u have ever seen is what they have shown in main stream media(1 way traffic) which once analiyzed proves to be a complete load of <deleted>(any fool could debunk the offical story yet its seems u cant), To be honest George bush and the people behind the curtain have trained the general public(you) that well not to think so much they knew they could away with it.

Why the hel_l would the supposed terrorist pilot fly a a massive plane 3 feet off the ground and hit the pentagon in the strongest defensive angle. Obi Won couldn't do it, neither could the arab they say did it. I challenge anyone to prove to all of us that this is even possible, let alone where the multi-ton engines went, or why the most protected building IN THE WORLD was allowed to be struck. You cant.

911 in relation to this topic is the starting place to understand the lies and how things are manipulted behind the scenes(bilderberg group) to get a One world goverment!

Left handed??

Then ermmmmmmmm

Oh no im getting this all wrong, silly me....bin laden isnt even wanted for the 911 attacks??? Omg the US goverment are making this all to confusing with there web of lies

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4

Of course planes hit the towers but u need to research about the arabs that apparently flew them. 4 are still alive btw.

the ones which climbed the Nanga Parbat with my grandmother last year and none of them used oxygen masks?

http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

Oh 4 were still alive since when the bbc reported it in 2002 since then they have found alot more are alive. Oh dear It must of been bin laden in one of those planes, thats why they cant find him.

well how about you watch this documentary and get back to me....Even if my 14 year old nephew watched this he'd know the muslims didnt do this. Come on naam, investigate 911 and once you do this you want to know more!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2296490368603788739

BK, it is politically incorrect to assume, claim or prove that "the muslims didn't do it" besides... i don't need a video to arrive at my own conclusions or suspicions when other strong indications exist which have been published but nobody took note. there is no doubt that the aircrafts were piloted by arabs, most of them holding saudi passports although nearly all their names are of non-saudi origin, who did there flight training in Florida. there is also no doubt that the aircrafts hit the towers which then collapsed. i saw the second incident live. in my view the Pentagon incident was a poorly inscenated forgery meant for brain-amputated people who lack even rudimentary technical knowledge.

BUT it doesn't make sense that i "investigate" what happened on sep11, 2001 because it neither changes the past nor will i gain any information that enables me to prepare myself better for any rigours the future holds for me, my wife and my dog.

Yes me too naam and i fully believed what the media told me about who did it for 3 years. Once you watch it all again you will realise that what you saw that day is not exactly as it was There are hundreds of facts proving otherwise.

Once you watch that documentary you will realise it does make sense to seek the truth, why it happened and for what reason.

Bloody hel_l mate your so stubburn its unbelievable. Your worse than my father.

My advice would be...... watch it and then decide on your opinions. Its always good to see both sides of everthing so you can put forward your real opinion.

and yes it might just affect your wifes you and maybe your dogs future

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4

Of course planes hit the towers but u need to research about the arabs that apparently flew them. 4 are still alive btw.

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This short video will make you cry Nothing to do with subject at hand!

Nothing to do with the subject in hand BUT the elite dont care about this and will make more of it on a scale never seen before just to get to there evil domination.

Oh and whats your opinion about osama bin laden controlling the hijacking from a cave of 4 planes and get basic pilots to fly 3 commercial aeroplanes into 2 world trade centres and collapsing them both(the first buildings in history to collapse from fire damage, as the us goverment say this is y they went down) and the other plane into the pentagon after the pilot that struggled to control a light aircraft(according to his instructor) turn his commercial plane at a 270 degree manouver(impoosible without the plane falling out of the sky) then avoiding all lamp posts poles and 87 security cameras and smashing into the pentagon vapourising everything(scientificly impossible) from the plane apart from a rolls royce engine?? Oh i forgot to say they managed to leave the windows intact either side of the hole the plane entered, so did the plane fold its wings prior to impact?

-Osama did not control these terrorist acts from his cave. this was neither required nor would it have been possible.

-although my PPL has expired 28 years ago and i never piloted a big aircraft i still consider myself capable of flying one into a prominent building like the WTC, assuming of course that the craft is already airborne and has all the features of a modern aircraft. the autopilot in connection with GPS does 99% of the job.

-in my opinion it is correct that the official versions and presentations of the WTC and especially the Pentagon "incident" look extremely fishy and your description of the "foldable wings" hits the nail on the head. the same goes for flight UA 93 which, as the large area of spread debris proves, was clearly shot down. but why spoil a nice story where heroic passengers sacrifice themselves with facts?

associating these acts with the Bilderbergs is however beyond my comprehension.

well how about you watch this documentary and get back to me....Even if my 14 year old nephew watched this he'd know the muslims didnt do this. Come on naam, investigate 911 and once you do this you want to know more!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2296490368603788739

Debiunk that naam or anyone for that matter. If anyone can debunk it ill send you 100k THB via bank transfer. Seriously try to??

That doc is the evidence to shut u up once and for all.

Oh and whats your opinion about osama bin laden controlling the hijacking from a cave of 4 planes and get basic pilots to fly 3 commercial aeroplanes into 2 world trade centres and collapsing them both(the first buildings in history to collapse from fire damage, as the us goverment say this is y they went down) and the other plane into the pentagon after the pilot that struggled to control a light aircraft(according to his instructor) turn his commercial plane at a 270 degree manouver(impoosible without the plane falling out of the sky) then avoiding all lamp posts poles and 87 security cameras and smashing into the pentagon vapourising everything(scientificly impossible) from the plane apart from a rolls royce engine?? Oh i forgot to say they managed to leave the windows intact either side of the hole the plane entered, so did the plane fold its wings prior to impact?

-Osama did not control these terrorist acts from his cave. this was neither required nor would it have been possible.

-although my PPL has expired 28 years ago and i never piloted a big aircraft i still consider myself capable of flying one into a prominent building like the WTC, assuming of course that the craft is already airborne and has all the features of a modern aircraft. the autopilot in connection with GPS does 99% of the job.

-in my opinion it is correct that the official versions and presentations of the WTC and especially the Pentagon "incident" look extremely fishy and your description of the "foldable wings" hits the nail on the head. the same goes for flight UA 93 which, as the large area of spread debris proves, was clearly shot down. but why spoil a nice story where heroic passengers sacrifice themselves with facts?

associating these acts with the Bilderbergs is however beyond my comprehension.

well how about you watch this documentary and get back to me....Even if my 14 year old nephew watched this he'd know the muslims didnt do this. Come on naam, investigate 911 and once you do this you want to know more!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2296490368603788739

Bilderberg 2009 Attendee List (revised)

Infowars

May 18, 2009

Note: The previous version of this list, translated from Greek via an automated translation device, has seriously distorted quite of a few of the names on this list. Infowars staff have gone over this list twice; if you have information on the people with question marks (?), please send an email to [email protected].

Dutch Queen Beatrix

Queen Sofia of Spain

Prince Constantijn (Belgian Prince)

Prince Philippe Etienne Ntavinion, Belgium

Étienne, Viscount Davignon, Belgium (former vice-president of the European Commission)

Josef Ackermann (Swiss banker and CEO of Deutsche Bank)

Keith B. Alexander, United States (Lieutenant General, U.S. Army, Director of the National Security Agency)

Roger Altman, United States (investment banker, former U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton)

Georgios A. Arapoglou, Greece (Governor of National Bank of Greece)

Ali Babaca , Turkey (Deputy Prime Minister responsible for economy)

Francisco Pinto Balsemão, Portugal (former Prime Minister of Portugal)

Nicholas Bavarez, France (economist and historian)

Franco Bernabè, Italy (Telecom Italia)

Xavier Bertrand, France (French politician connected to Nicolas Sarkozy)

Carl Bildt, Sweden (former Prime Minister of Sweden)

January Bgiorklount, Norway (?)

Christoph Blocher, Switzerland (industrialist, Vice President of the Swiss People's Party)

Alexander Bompar, France (?)

Ana Patricia Botin, Spain, (President of Banco Banesto)

Henri de Castries, France (President of AXA, the French global insurance companies group)

Juan Luis Cebrián, Spain (journalist for Grupo PRISA; his father was a senior journalist in the fascist Franco regime)

W. Edmund Clark, Canada (CEO TD Bank Financial Group)

Kenneth Clarke, Great Britain (MP, Shadow Business Secretary)

Luc Cohen, Belgium (?)

George David, United States (Chairman and former CEO of United Technologies Corporation, board member of Citigroup)

Richard Dearlove, Great Britain (former head of the British Secret Intelligence Service)

Mario Draghi, Italy (economist, governor of the Bank of Italy)

Eldrup Anders, Denmark (CEO Dong Energy)

John Elkann, Italy (Italian industrialist, grandson of the late Gianni Agnelli, and heir to the automaker Fiat)

Thomas Enders, Germany (CEO Airbus)

Jose Entrekanales, Spain (?)

Isintro phenomena casket, Spain (?)

Niall Ferguson, United States (Professor of History at Harvard University and William Ziegler Professor at Harvard Business School)

Timothy Geithner, United States (Secretary of the Treasury)

Ntermot convergence, Ireland (AIV Group) (?)

Donald Graham, United States (CEO and chairman of the board of The Washington Post Company)

Victor Chalmperstant, Netherlands (Leiden University)

Ernst Hirsch Ballin, Netherlands (Dutch politician, minister of Justice in the fourth Balkenende cabinet, member of the Christian Democratic Appeal)

Richard Holbrooke, United States (Obama's special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan)

Jaap De Hoop Scheffer, Netherlands (Dutch politician and the current NATO Secretary General)

James Jones, United States (National Security Advisor to the White House)

Vernon Jordan, United States (lawyer, close adviser to President Bill Clinton)

Robert Keigkan, United States (? - possibly Robert Kagan, neocon historian)

Girki Katainen, Finland (?)

John Kerr (aka Baron Kerr of Kinlochard), Britain (Deputy Chairman of Royal Dutch Shell and an independent member of the House of Lords)

Mustafa Vehbi Koç, Turkey (President of industrial conglomerate Koç Holding)

Roland GT, Germany (?)

Sami Cohen, Turkey (Journalist) (?)

Henry Kissinger, United States

Marie Jose Kravis, United States (Hudson Institute)

Neelie Kroes, Netherlands (European Commissioner for Competition)

Odysseas Kyriakopoulos, Greece (Group S & (?)

Manuela Ferreira Leite, Portugal (Portuguese economist and politician)

Bernardino Leon Gross, Spain (Secretary General of the Presidency)

Jessica Matthews, United States (President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace)

Philippe Maystadt (President of the European Investment Bank)

Frank McKenna, Canada (Deputy Chairman of the Toronto-Dominion Bank)

John Micklethwait, Great Britain (Editor-in-chief of The Economist)

Thierry de Montbrial, France (founded the Department of Economics of the École Polytechnique and heads the Institut français des relations internationales)

Mario Monti, Italy (Italian economist and politician, President of the Bocconi University of Milan)

Miguel Angel Moratinos, Spain (Minister of Foreign Affairs)

Craig Mundie, United States (chief research and strategy officer at Microsoft)

Egil Myklebust, Norway (Chairman of the board of SAS Group, Scandinavian Airlines System)

naam, cuckoo land (Chairman of the board of no Answers, Former dog abuser)

Mathias Nass, Germany (Editor of the newspaper Die Zeit)

Denis Olivennes, France (director general of Nouvel Observateur)

Frederic Oudea, France (CEO of Société Générale bank)

Cem Özdemir, Germany (co-leader of the Green Party and Member of the European Parliament)

Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa, Italy (Italian banker, economist, and former Minister of Economy and Finance)

Dimitrios Th.Papalexopoulo, Greece (Managing Director of Titan Cement Company SA)

Richard Perle, United States (American Enterprise Institute)

David Petraeus, United States (Commander, U.S. Central Command)

Manuel Pinho, Portugal (Minister of Economy and Innovation)

J. Robert S. Prichard, Canada (CEO of Torstar Corporation and president emeritus of the University of Toronto)

Romano Prodi, Italy (former Italian Prime Minister and former President of the European Commission)

Heather M. Reisman, Canada (co-founder of Indigo Books & Music Inc.).

Eivint Reitan, Norway (economist, corporate officer and politician for the Centre Party)

Michael Rintzier, Czech Republic (?)

David Rockefeller, United States

Dennis Ross, United States (special adviser for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton)

Barnett R. Rubin, United States (Director of Studies and Senior Fellow, Center for International Cooperation)

Alberto Rouith-Gkalarthon, Spain (?)

Susan Sampantzi Ntintzer, Turkey (?) Guler Sabanci, President of Sabanci Holdings (?)

Indira Samarasekera, Canada (President of University of Alberta, Board of Directors Scotiabank)

Rountol Solten, Austria (?)

Jürgen E. Schrempp, Germany (CEO DaimlerChrysler)

Pedro Solbes Mira, Spain (economist, Socialist, Second Vice President and Minister of Economy and Finance)

Sampatzi Saraz, Turkey (banker) (?) possibly Süreyya Serdengeçti (former Governor of the Central Bank of Turkey) http://arsiv.zaman.com.tr/2002/05/29/ekonomi/h6.htm

Sanata Seketa, Canada (University of Canada) (?)

Lawrence Summers, United States (economist, Director of the White House's National Economic Council)

Peter Sutherland, Ireland (Chairman, BP and Chairman of Goldman Sachs International)

Martin Taylor, United Kingdom (former chief executive of Barclays Bank, currently Chairman of Syngenta AG)

Peter Thiel, United States (Clarium Capital Management LCC, PayPal co-founder, Board of Directors, Facebook)

Agan Ourgkout, Turkey (?)

Matti Taneli Vanhanen, Finland, (Prime Minister)

Daniel L. Vasella, Switzerland (Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer at Novartis AG)

Jeroen van der Veer, Netherlands (CEO of Royal Dutch Shell)

Guy Verhofstadt, Belgium (former Prime Minister)

Paul Volcker, U.S. (former Federal Reserve director, Chair of Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board)

Jacob Wallenberg, Sweden (chairman of Investor AB and former chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken)

Marcus Wallenberg, Sweden (CEO of Investor AB, former chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken)

Nout Wellink, Netherlands (Chairman of De Nederlandsche Bank, Board of Directors, the Bank of International Settlements)

Hans Wijers, Netherlands (CEO of the multinational corporation AkzoNobel)

Martin Wolf, Great Britain (associate editor and chief economics commentator at the Financial Times)

James Wolfensohn, United States (former president of the World Bank)

Paul Wolfowitz, United States (for U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, President of the World Bank, currently AEI scholar)

Fareed Zakaria, United States (journalist, author, and CNN host)

Robert Zoellick, United States (former managing director of Goldman Sachs, President the World Bank)

Dora Bakoyannis, Greece (Minister of Foreign Affairs)

Anna Diamantopoulou, Greece (Member of Parliament for the Panhellenic Socialist Movement)

Yannis Papathanasiou, Greece (Minister of Finance)

George Alogoskoufis, Greece (former Minister)

George A. David, Greece (businessman, president of Coca-Cola)

Yeah it made me cringe after seeing a clip posted on here somewhere where a american lady thought micro chipping is a good thing as it would make the world a safer place after 911??? Thats litteraly makes me feel sick.

Naam do u think micro chipping wil make us all safer??

Oh and whats your opinion about osama bin laden controlling the hijacking from a cave of 4 planes and get basic pilots to fly 3 commercial aeroplanes into 2 world trade centres and collapsing them both(the first buildings in history to collapse from fire damage, as the us goverment say this is y they went down) and the other plane into the pentagon after the pilot that struggled to control a light aircraft(according to his instructor) turn his commercial plane at a 270 degree manouver(impoosible without the plane falling out of the sky) then avoiding all lamp posts poles and 87 security cameras and smashing into the pentagon vapourising everything(scientificly impossible) from the plane apart from a rolls royce engine?? Oh i forgot to say they managed to leave the windows intact either side of the hole the plane entered, so did the plane fold its wings prior to impact?

Excuse me for my poor spelling naam because im sure thats the only thing you will reply about. LOL

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Also talks about the north american union (do people know about it?)

Not bad 7.7 million views, The revelution is gathering pace the sheeple are beginning to see the truth.

Dear Naam

As a scientist I would like you to view the following short video - I would appreciate your comments esp re. fluoride

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWxXZ4hh_o

Great video. Like Alex jones said most people wont understand whats he's talking about as sheeple have been conditioned not to think so much. You know which member of the herd im implying dont you naaaaaaam?

Dear Naam

As a scientist I would like you to view the following short video - I would appreciate your comments esp re. fluoride

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbWxXZ4hh_o

Great video. Like Alex jones said most people wont understand whats he's talking about as sheeple have been conditioned not to think so much. You know which member of the herd im implying dont you naaaaaaam?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_fluori...te-Aigueperse-4

Naam you need to get away from the herd, go against the grain... you know by...thinking.

These people dont like you to........ think!!

your assumptions are unfounded and nothing but silly. now go, play nicely with the other boys and stop fretting about my programming p.s. did you stop beating your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend? delete what is not applicable

This is the normal response from naam once he knows he is wrong. Childish and embarrassing.

it's neither childish nor embarrassing but a tit for tat assumption.

p.s. i assume you changed your underwear after today's Bilderberg scare? watch out and check under your bed! perhaps a bunch of Illuminati (please notice the correct spelling and use it in future) are hiding below it?

Come on Naam - just for once in your life try to argue with the intellect of someone who is meant to be a scientist..................

dont just say " play nicely with the other boys " or try to explain everything away with your favourite statment that everything is just a " wet dream " ?

Give us a well reasoned argument as to why you think these Bilderberg meetings are so secretive if they have nothing to hide ?

Funny thing is its not that secretive anymore, Its just the masses(ie naam) are just to stupid.

your assumptions are unfounded and nothing but silly. now go, play nicely with the other boys and stop fretting about my programming p.s. did you stop beating your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend? delete what is not applicable

This is the normal response from naam once he knows he is wrong. Childish and embarrassing.

it's neither childish nor embarrassing but a tit for tat assumption.

p.s. i assume you changed your underwear after today's Bilderberg scare? watch out and check under your bed! perhaps a bunch of Illuminati (please notice the correct spelling and use it in future) are hiding below it?

Yes i did notice i spelt it wrong the day after but nevermind eh?

Btw you shouldnt be scared, its a sign of weakness. Just be educated, prepared and you'll fine. Be blind and suffer is the other choice.

your assumptions are unfounded and nothing but silly. now go, play nicely with the other boys and stop fretting about my programming

p.s. did you stop beating your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend? delete what is not applicable

This is the normal response from naam once he knows he is wrong.

Childish and embarrassing.

OK, just got back from the meeting, very interesting.

And for the Naam's in here, please have a look at a scan from one of the members book he wrote a while back.

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002