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But the bars won't be open on the 12th. The 12th is also Mothers Day.

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He's probably working as a teacher, reasonably well paid ( enough to just about secure a family ) but not enough to jump through the hoops.

He probably wants the work permit and the security it bestows.

He probably can't get one because of the policies and attitudes of his employer ( Needs work, two kids to feed and a wife he probably wants to stay with etc...)

 

 

 

 

 

Still does n´t explain an 18 month overstay. He could n´t have got a tourist Visa or even an non o to visit his children plus the relevant extensions? (not that I condone working on the incorrect visa due to the potential risks!)

 

I do feel for the guy but it is he that has deprived or potentially depriving his own children of their father every single day he has worked here on the incorrect visa, potential penalty much greater than being banned from entering Thailand for 3 years (max penalty of 200K fine and 5 years in prison if I am not mistaken). I also note that he is potentially screwing himself and his wife´s future as I doubt he would be on a UK contract of employment, and thus ensuring his work record and ability to retire an obtain a state pension (hope his ass is covered there when the time comes).

 

It is a dire situation and best of luck to him.

 

Out of interest what causes someone to overstay by 18 months? I sh*t my pants at the thought of overstaying by 1 day! 

 

That said, it is a position he has put himself, and ultimately his family into. Regardless of his situation, he will have known the rules of the game, and unless he has been confined to bed for the last 18 months, should never be where he is.

But, the reasons for his overstay are another story, what he should now do about it is the concern. I realize that not everyone reads TV and other forums or reads newspapers and that the person on overstay may be living remote, but the very fact that he has someone asking questions for them means that he has known about the crackdown and has opted to do nothing about it until the last minute.

Don't get complacent folks, if you are in the wrong and the media projects that crackdowns are possibly going to happen in areas concerning you, do something about it then, don't wait....................

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Update:

The immigration at swampy called my friends wife back.

They have the rules in place now.

If he goes out with 18 months now he will not be allowed back in for 3 years.

Game over

OP, as an option, have him (or his wife) phone Don Muang immigration and ask the same question. See if the answers are the same.

As has been stated, the new rules for overstay are still in process and under consideration.

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If you can't afford 25k for a phone then maybe it is time to start thinking about going home.

alt=cheesy.gif width=32 height=20> The most ridiculous (but extremely funny) post of the year, so far.

Finally. someone noticed my post for the pisstake it was.

Thanks !!

It was recognized for what it was a few posts ago.

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If you can't afford 25k for a phone then maybe it is time to start thinking about going home.

But if you can get a phone for 6,000 that can do everything the 25,000 one can do, you can start thinking about going out for a 19,000 binge.................

If that is your want.................

IMO, I-phones and the higher range brand name phones are greatly over rated anyway, but if that is your wish and desire, go for it.

This has been going on for a long time. It does make you wonder, with the on-going changes with immigration policies, especially with regard to reducing the criminal element from foreigners staying long term. If loopholes like this are left unplugged, likely endorsed by members of the very department implementing the changes, house cleaning comes to mind.

Not only do I believe in them, I've had sex with them as well.

Oh, ghosts.

I thought it said goats...................................

For a family income, on average of both parents and one sibling, earning minimum wage of 300 baht a day, based on a 30 day month would be 27,000 baht.

But of course, you could work that out for yourself, eh?

And that is based on minimal, with only one job for each person.

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Funny that. My name was on the licence for almost 13 years. Not one baht was paid to the BIB. And it is the licence that denotes that it is a bar, no need to own the property.

People should really get their facts straight before making generalized statements like that.

Chris, are you a US citizen by any chance ?

http://www.doingbusinessthailand.com/blog-thailand/doing-business-in-thailand/starting-a-business-in-thailand-3bar-business.html

May foreign investors run bars?

In a nutshell, Bar Business is also a business activity which is subject to restriction under the Foreign Business Act list 3. Therefore only Thai and Us Citizens may legally go into the business. For the rest of the world the only alternative is either to find a real Thai partner that will own 51% of the business while you will own only 49% or not to get involved at all.

http://www.samuiforsale.com/knowledge/thai-business-law.html

List 3: These businesses are treated in a manner similar to those in list 2 except that the power to grant an Alien Business License to foreigners who wish to start a new business is vested with the Director General and a committee. Exemptions are possible under the Treaty of Amity and Economic Relations between the Kingdom of Thailand and the United States of America. Also, the Board of Investment may grant exceptions for businesses covered by Lists 2 and 3.

Absolutely not, and my name was still on the original licence. This was renewed/extended every year, albeit by my wife.

I aked the question in the business forum and this is what Sunbelt Asia, which I consider are reputable legal advisers, answered.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/744692-bar-license/#entry8132375

Can a foreigner obtain a license in his personal name to open a beer bar in Thailand, or is this a restricted business under the foreign business act ?

Although it is not a restricted activity you cannot hold the licenses as an individual. You would need to open a company and the Food and Alcohol licenses would be issued to that company. You can open other types of juristic entities but you would not be able to act as a managing director of the business and you would not be able to get a work permit so a Thai Limited Company is recommended if you plan on running the business yourself.

Hi Jesse, just to put the record straight. I looked up some old documents last night from the bar just to make sure I was right in what I said. On looking at the old licences, my name is not on them. I am not sure what it was that I signed; this was back in 1999 in Phitsanulok when the bar was opened.

So my apologies for having mislead anyone reading this thread, my information was wrong. We did not form a company and my wife had everything done in her name.

C

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You appear to have an extension of say based upon teaching from immigration not a visa. You mention doing 90 day reports (they renew nothing) which you would not be doing if you had a visa.

Your extension of stay ends when your job ends meaning you must leave the country or apply for a 7 day extension when you cancel your extension. The school should give you.a letter stating the date your ends and you need to on that date or shortly before.

You or your school also need to cancel your workpemit.

OP, I have read the rest of the posts in the thread, sorry to hear about your predicament. Just to emphasize what Joe said above reference the letter from the school and cancelling the work permit.

You need to speak with the school and explain your situation about having to leave (or get the 7 day extension) to find out what date they will give to stop your employment. This is necessary before you find yourself in an overstay situation which will only add to your misfortune.

You don't want to find that they have already stopped your contract. That said, they should be responsible for giving you adequate notice before ending your employment. Check your contract.

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Well if Immigration is following ThaiVisa, I have a message for Immigration: "How about giving longtime married expat residents of Thailand, who have demonstrated good citizenship, a reasonable pathway to permanent residency at a reasonable cost?"

A 100,000 baht non-refundable application fee is not reasonable; it is gambling. Also, selling a five year permit to stay for a 2 million baht fee via the new Elite Card is not reasonable. Other countries have a reasonable road to permanent residency; why not Thailand?

I think you need to look at your figures again before ranting at immigration............................

Don't just take a typical ThaiVisa style potshot at me. If I have errors, please be so kind as to specifically point them out and offer corrections for the benefit of all.

I try to put on a worthwhile suggestion and all you have done is flame me. Thanks a lot.

Woah!! Apologies if you thought that was a flame, it wasn't. You were ranting at immigration with the wrong figures.

Thanks for the posters for posting the right ones.

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Funny that. My name was on the licence for almost 13 years. Not one baht was paid to the BIB. And it is the licence that denotes that it is a bar, no need to own the property.

People should really get their facts straight before making generalized statements like that.

Chris, are you a US citizen by any chance ?

http://www.doingbusinessthailand.com/blog-thailand/doing-business-in-thailand/starting-a-business-in-thailand-3bar-business.html

May foreign investors run bars?

In a nutshell, Bar Business is also a business activity which is subject to restriction under the Foreign Business Act list 3. Therefore only Thai and Us Citizens may legally go into the business. For the rest of the world the only alternative is either to find a real Thai partner that will own 51% of the business while you will own only 49% or not to get involved at all.

http://www.samuiforsale.com/knowledge/thai-business-law.html

List 3: These businesses are treated in a manner similar to those in list 2 except that the power to grant an Alien Business License to foreigners who wish to start a new business is vested with the Director General and a committee. Exemptions are possible under the Treaty of Amity and Economic Relations between the Kingdom of Thailand and the United States of America. Also, the Board of Investment may grant exceptions for businesses covered by Lists 2 and 3.

Absolutely not, and my name was still on the original licence. This was renewed/extended every year, albeit by my wife.

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You cant be in the child protection division for very long, especially the serious crime unit, you risk losing your sanity or worse losing your humanity, Either you switch off and become cold or go a little bit nuts, either is very bad. My cousin says he wouldnt touch it for double the pay and wouldnt put his family through the stress let alone himself,some of those he knows that have arn't the same after and often end up divorced because they get so emotional and it comes out in other ways at home... thats how bad it can affect these heroes that work on these cases... and make no mistake they are heroes for what they have to deal with.

When I was just a 14 year old lad i had the common sense to call in the met police while being chatted up on a train by a pedo by pretending to make a call home before accompanying the perp... police showed up in 2 mins took him to the top of the platform stairs at baker street stn from the platform and then making sure i was watching from below helped the guy slip and tumble all the way to the bottom. he wasnt in good shape by the time he landed... not at all, the 2 policemen strolled back down the stairs as if they had all the time in the world while the guy moaned and nursed what i realise now were rather serious injuries. One looked at me, smiled and winked then said "dont worry son we'll take him from here, he wont be doing anything for a while" That has stuck with me throughout my life seeing instant justice and have never even had a sweat on about it since. Im pretty sure if I hadnt seen what we used to call street justice id never know if he had got off with nothing or not... Im not saying the police were right on some levels but I am damned glad they gave me closure and some form of justice right there and then and i will never ever report it or forget what those 2 policemen did for a scared kid.

This is only the beginning, wait until some of the arrested start singing and shopping others for deals.

Expect this to go worldwide when info starts being shared on those that reside outside the UK

If it goes all the way it will very possibly shake more than one establishment to its very core.

With absolutely no disrespect to you englishoak, any policeman that took the word of a 14 year old and carried out 'street justice' as described without being fully aware of the facts, needs dismissing.

As disgusting as these animals are, it still needs to be proven.

It would be much better for them to have an accident after they were charged and out on bail, as would likely happen.

EDIT: Apologies to the other posters who replied to this, was just reading through.

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Corporations who target minors, addict them to their product, poison them slowly and finally kill them deserve to be punished imo. Too bad it doesn't happen more often. Usually these companies are untouchable. I am surprised at a lot of your reactions. A Tobacco Company Does Not Contribute Anything Constructive To Society. It is a parasite. Punishing them is a rare pleasure.

It's really a bit the same as governments who allow the legal sale of cigarettes, knowing the possible effect it can have on an individual's health.

But that isn't going to change anytime soon, the tax generated by the sales has already been spent or earmarked.

BTW, I am a smoker myself.

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Shouldn't they be governed as well? Say a max of 80kph?

I'll support that. In April, I was driving down to Koh Chang when on Route 36 (I think) I came up fast behind me. I was overtaking slower moving vehicles in the outside lane driving at about 90 - 100 km / hr (the same as the traffic ahead of me) when a Bangkok - Rayong van came up behind me fast blasting his horn and flashing his lights. I pulled over to the left as soon as it was safe to do so. Extremely dangerous driving!

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I was also going to ask, where are the speed radar traps? I see plenty of "warning" signs in Thai, but always laugh them off. Despite many claims there are now fixed speed radar traps (or speed cameras as they are known in Australia) I have only ever received one ticket this way and I suspect the camera might have been mobile rather than fixed (I believe it was on the southern outer ring road), which was sent to my address. As I generally do 20-40km/h over the speed limit on that road and other expressways, there can't be any fixed cameras because otherwise I would have received a lot more fines in the mail.

It's quite amazing how low a priority stopping speeders seems to be in Thailand. In Vietnam, the police set up radar traps all over the country at regular intervals. On any given road trip you're guaranteed to see at least a couple such traps. The Vietnamese police strike fear in the hearts of motorists over there. The Thai police merely strike up an attack of laughter. Consequently, I generally drive whatever speed seems to be reasonable for the conditions because 1) there's hardly any speed limit signs in Thailand anyway, so how is one supposed to know the speed limit and 2) speed limit signs, where they exist are contradictory (such as a 90km/h side on the left and a 120km/h on the right on the Bangkok-Chonburi motorway) and since there is almost no enforcement, chances are you'll never get caught anyway. So speed on I'd say, lol.

So you drive between 140 and 160 km / hour on Route 7? Remind me never to travel anywhere with you.

Alan

With reference to the A36/331/332, I feel your pain.

If any of the posters here have not travelled these roads, continue not doing so. These are scary, scary roads with the minivan antics, and the greater majority of the rest of the drivers.

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Surely the 3 females from Taiji being alive says something good about it?

And let us not forget that this is Western influence that is driving this show. Just as it is the same influence that destroys natural habitat with hotels, power supply, communication cables destroying the skylines. Profit by tourism.

BTW, I personally am against any animal being exploited for profit, but when organizations twist facts to suit their cause, that, IMHO, is exploitation as well.

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There are no farang bar owners in Thailand

Not sure what you mean, but
there are "farang bar" owners and farang "bar owners" in Thailand.
Why not?

Farang's aren't allowed to own real property in Thailand. The leases for "bars" are suspect at the least, most likely of no real value in terms of money. You pay for permission to operate. It's really a rather simple concept to understand. You pay but you don't own anything. Keep in mind the types of people we refer to and you have your context.

Funny that. My name was on the licence for almost 13 years. Not one baht was paid to the BIB. And it is the licence that denotes that it is a bar, no need to own the property.

People should really get their facts straight before making generalized statements like that.

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Well if Immigration is following ThaiVisa, I have a message for Immigration: "How about giving longtime married expat residents of Thailand, who have demonstrated good citizenship, a reasonable pathway to permanent residency at a reasonable cost?"

A 100,000 baht non-refundable application fee is not reasonable; it is gambling. Also, selling a five year permit to stay for a 2 million baht fee via the new Elite Card is not reasonable. Other countries have a reasonable road to permanent residency; why not Thailand?

I think you need to look at your figures again before ranting at immigration............................

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so 3 back to back tourists = 180 days plus 60 non-visa = 240 days?

I think it may change the kind of visas people are asking for now that all g7 visitors can stay for 2 months without the need for a visa.........couple this with some tourist visas and the visa runners, who won't show up for another month.....looks like a busy time for immigration. i hope they are all well versed in ALL the new regs!

G7 citizens can stay for 30 days X 3 without a visa, not 2 months as you have stated, I am currently on my 3rd 30 days & will require to get an Non Imm 'O' visa in Laos at the end of july

Which border crossing do those rules apply to? Certainly not all.

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Hi.

I just want to confirm regarding the new rules posted in this thread.

I am currently on my 2^nd entry of my Tourist Visa.

I would like to get a 30 day extension then fly outside Thailand for 6 weeks.

Question:

When I apply for a 30 day extension at Jomtien on September 2^nd , do I need to bring:

1A onward flight ticket or eTicket out of Thailand within the 30 days

2. Minimum 10,000 Baht

3. Hotel booking confirmation

4. One photo, passport sized

5. Application fee, 1,900 Baht

Previously getting a 30 Extension on a Tourist Visa I had a Passport, photo and 1900 baht.

Thanks.

TC.

Anybody who could answer this Dear members ? in my case, especially no.3 Hotel booking ?

From the OP it reads as if all extensions need this proof now. I am on a triple TV myself and stay with friends and therefore no booking for the full period of my 3rd entry to come.

so far I was under the impression "Previously getting a 30 Extension on a Tourist Visa I had a Passport, photo and 1900 baht." is enough.

Thanks in advance for any help.

If you are staying at a friend's place, give that address instead of a hotel when and if asked.

Just make sure your friend reports that you are staying there, as is supposed to happen when anyone stays at your home (here in Thailand)

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Extension seems to be only given with a ticket out, to unsure one is a real tourist.

But as others said, for a visa exempt entry by air one needs to show a ticket out within 30 days in the first place. So you can only get the extension if you buy a ticket that you can change.

I'm pretty sure that the airlines will know about the new regulations and act accordingly

I'm not so sure considering the system used by many still reports the old regulation of max 6 months visa exempt entry each 12.

http://www.staralliance.com/en/services/visa-and-health/#

Man - the announcement has just been made. There is no value in old links.

The ink is still wet. The 'i's need doted and the 't's need crossing. I would very much doubt at this stage that the airlines know anymore than we do.

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Here's a sensible article on this topic: http://goo.gl/FLqHxv

According to this, a school should officially, but rarely does, take you to the immigration department and tell them your employment is over. Most schools can't be bothered. Your only risk is that you could be stopped by a police officer and after checking your passport you could be asked for the work permit to support it. If your lifestyle is one where you are often exposed to the possibility of police checks..... you drive or you visit a lot of late night clubs...you may want to just leave like others have said.

The author does conclude that you should do the right thing, get a 7 day extension and leave the country. I say, if your school doesn't take you to immigration and you don't drive or hang out in late night clubs, go for it. You'll be fine. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking with it. Even if you did have your passport checked, they would probably not insist you produce your work permit. Make a photo copy of your work permit now if it makes you feel better and always carry it with you along with a copy of your passport.

I've departed the country many, many times with my work visa still valid and never been asked a single question about my work. I've never heard of anyone else being asked about when or if they ever stopped working. I can't imagine what CiaranO's friend could have done to arouse suspicion. I don't think we have the full story there.

It is called a computer database.

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When I finished teaching and told my employer I was not coming back for the 2nd semester. I was told I needed to turn in my WP and leave.

They even prepared me a letter they said i would need. I left by air and was never asked for it, but know others told they couldn't leave via land. I think it has to do with tax.

Not sure what would have happened if i would have tefused to turn in my WP.

I was able to get a tourist visa after and return.

Thanks for sharing your experience. You had to turn in your WP, but they didn't touch your passport, did they? Your non-imm visa in your passport still had the same expiration date, right?

Still would like to hear of anyone who has ever popped up on some kind of list when they tried to leave before the expiration of their work visa but AFTER their actual end of employment date.

If the non-B visa is extended for purpose of work, as the OP has claimed, then that becomes invalid when the work permit is handed back. Or rather when it is cancelled by the school with the labour office.

If the OP is using a multi-entry non-B and leaves the country every 90 days for extensions, then that will remain valid up to the use by date.

FreedomDude, if your advice was followed, then you would be dropping the OP into a world of pain.