LawnGnome

This is what Takki Shinegra hears - constantly

Tick

Tick

Tick

etc...

Time is running out. It will breed desperation.

I am of mixed feelings about this. Relieved that the reds are being denied an opportuntity to use violence, but angered that a small minority can use the treat of violence to dictate the schedule of the Prime Minister of a country. They say that it was the Thai Chamber of Commerce who revoked the PM's invitation, and if that had not happened, he would have gone.

In any event, if the Reds cannot provoke a violent confrontation in the next month - Takki Shinegra lose all chance to get his money back - stay tuned.

Why disrupt the peace... Stay home Mr. Abhisit! Please.

khwai indeed. mak ti sook

Alleged red-shirt guard arrested with 6,000 homemade 'ping pong' bombs, 8 guns

Chiang Mai - An alleged red-shirt guard was arrested Thursday morning when police searched his house and found 6,000 homemade 'ping pong' bombs and eight guns.

Pol Col Songkrit Ontrakrai, caretaker investigative inspector of the Chiang Mai Police head office, led a team of policemen to search the house of Narong Boonjongcharoen, 45, in Chong Thong district at 8:30 am and found the weapons.

Police found four .38 revolvers, 2 automatic pistols and two .22-calibre rifles.

Narong was arrested on charges of having illegal firearms in possession without license.

-- The Nation 2009/11/26

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alleged, of course, but not surprising

anyone think this is genuinely likely to be troublesome? got some friends arriving saturday night who are staying on chang klan.

yES IF THEY PARTAKE IN THE PROTEST AND WEAR RED SHIRTS AND ACT LIKE SOME CRAZY FARANG THAT WE SAW AT THE ASEAN SUMMIT LOL

This kind of anarchy and lawlessness show the true face of Thailand and also the lack of police discipline to enforce the law. It shows the people join the police for their own benefit and not the public

I don't think this time make a lot of differences since the number os American tourist is very low due to the financial situation back home

Not the true face of Thailand - the true face of Thaksin. There is a sizable difference.

As I am that "another member", feel free to explain what "similar spin", "disinformation campaign" and "nice try" (to do what exactly?) you found in my post ( http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=3161037 ). In that post, I explained at length why I was obliged to paraphrase the Bangkok Post report and later ( http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=3161786 ), in response to WTK and others, explained why I used the Bangkok Post source rather than Matichon, acknowledged TAWP's point about Suthep's target (to which I had already referred in the original post) - and went on to look at issues arising. Disappointing if you're now joining in the McCarthy-style reds-under-beds drivel about "False-Flag Friend syndrome" and "Your agenda, masked in conciliation, harmony and magnaminity [sic], is the return of Thaksin" etc etc . From other posts of yours - not to mention your own site, I've always thought rather better of you than to do that.

I did not say what WTK went on to say ("foreigners engaging in political activity will be found and arrested") - a] it's more than I saw Suthep reported as saying (however ambiguously and arguably incorrectly) and b] it's not clear to me whether WTK means only migrant workers or your typical expat or both in that. Feel free to ask him to clarify and to cite a viable source/translation - as I do for what I say on this forum for anything that isn't clearly identified as just my opinion or speculation.

After using all those big words, your brain must be tired - go have a beer!

There's plenty of reading material on all this available, but it's problematic to discuss in detail on this board.

i.e. - I can talk the talk, but I can't walk the walk

I am surprised that Jayboy and Winnie haven't weighed in on this issue yet. lol

None of us want violence, but people who are sympathetic to groups whose members use it regularly, are contemptible. If you support the yellows, reds, blues, etc, then you are no better then those causing the violence. You can say, not all reds are bad - guess what - a lot of them are, and its guilt by association.

Sorry, but that's a fascist statement to make. Though you're right that for this reason I would not claim to 'support the reds', but instead spell it out in full so often.

I don't wish death on anyone, but thinking about Samak's style of politics, it reminds me of something my wife had said, that we have to wait for the old generation to die away, before real change can begin to take place.

YES, and you know what, that's a very Red statement to make. You wouldn't know it if you just read The Nation, but a person that I respect a lot wrote a rather scathing article on Samak's legacy, and he's very much a Red Shirt activist.

Google: " His role in the 1970s is very similar to the roles of ASTV fanatics like Sonti Limtongkul and Censorship Boss Satit Wongnongtuay. "

Exactly which part do you consider "Fascist". I am curious. The part where people who support groups that harbor fugitives and thugs are themselves guilty? Yes, i can see how that might touch a nerve.

I would ask him - How do you spell PRIME MINISTER? lol

Wait, is the reds all about Thaksin or not? Some apologists want to claim it isn't and that his importance has diminished...but if with the stroke of a wand can make 'a million'[sic] protesters delay their march for a week or two...what does that say?

The reds are very much about Thaksin, but definitely not entirely, as some of the more fanatical opponents try to make it appear. In many ways Red Shirt ideology has developed far beyond Thaksin, their demands on the state surpass what Thaksin has given or would be willing to give. Many of Thaksin's former opponents are part of the Red Shirts as well. But dropping Thaksin would mean loosing their mass appeal to the many especially rural supporters for whom Thaksin was the PM that has done more for them than any other Thai PM.

They have the choice to be a mass movement that has the chance to influence some necessary changes in the system, or to be another irrelevant debating club that won't effect nothing.

I think what you mean to say is "dropping Thaksin's money" would mean losing their mass appeal.... No Thaksin, no money, no red shirts. Watch how quickly the movement fizzles when Thaksin's money is finally and irrevocably seized.

i thought that thaksin bought thailand out of debt when he came into power. now where is the money going to cme from to stop thailand going back into debt.

It was Chuan and the democrats who instituted major financial changes what helped Thailand recover from the 1997 crisis. Thaksin was there at the crest of global economic times, and took advantage of it fully for personal gain, which is what a good businessman should do, but not a good leader of a nation.

animatic is among the great number of us who are aghast at the timing of the coming reds' street actions. We don't want violence, bloodshed, another coup, martial law or anything resembling such horrors.

Let me wholeheartedly join you in not ever wanting another coup, violence, bloodshed, martial law or anything resembling such horrors.

That said, what's aghast about the timing? The Berlin Wall fell around this time, the Velvet revolution happened around this time, the Orange protests in Ukrain happened around this time.. What's bad about it? And, would you rather that those people also woulnd't have bothered standing up for their desire for democracy, due to 'bad timing' or otherwise? I'm genuinely puzzled why you'd feel that way.

( Also, any time is better than Songkran. I like Songkran. )

None of us want violence, but people who are sympathetic to groups whose members use it regularly, are contemptible. If you support the yellows, reds, blues, etc, then you are no better then those causing the violence. You can say, not all reds are bad - guess what - a lot of them are, and its guilt by association. But blocking the airport was justifiable - no it wasn't, again, slimeballs at work. I stand with the silent majority of Thais who think that reds and yellows are all idiots, and want to see some honest capable people in charge. We have a PM who is that way, and the longer he is allowed to stay there, the more good he can do to move the system in a more positive direction.

I don't wish death on anyone, but thinking about Samak's style of politics, it reminds me of something my wife had said, that we have to wait for the old generation to die away, before real change can begin to take place.

Peace please - Thaksin <deleted>, reds go home and honor HM, yellows <deleted>, PTP try to act like public servants, and not Thaksin's bitches, and all of us work to educate the young and help the less fortunate. Im out.

Righty O.

Set up a big rally and then look like a hero for postponing it,

so he can look like a loyal subject...

It's really a challenge to make you happy is it?

Just takes a few honorable actions - something your master knows nothing about.

Mandela was a terrorist who helped kill a lot more people than Thaksin ever thought of. If he is wandering around free as a bird, Thaksin probably should be too.

Wow - that just about sums you up right here.

Good article. What would the Thaksin apologists have the government do, roll over and turn the other cheek to a violent mob? WHY? They have proven what they are about at Black Sonkran, that was a dress rehearsal.

It was a good article until the final paragraph, then she lost the plot slightly.

If I were Thaksin I would also run away before my court date was due, never any doubts about the verdict.

That speaks volumes about you...not much about Thaksin lol.

What did he do that he has the face to compare himself with Nelson Mandela or even Aung San Sui Kyi?

You might want to try to get your point across in one or two sentences. This diatribe is almost impossible to read unless you want a headache at the end.

The ongoing diplomatic row with the Cambodian Government wouldn't have happened had Abhisit kept his cool. But I guess he just had too much of a hard-on for Thaksin to let it pass... What Abhisit needs is a crash course in Diplomacy.

LOL - you really don't understand the score do you?

Alright then if he is the "good guy" who or where are the bad guy's and hold your breath before any quick answer and have good look at the "bad guy's"....

The bad guy is Thaksin...simple.

Love him or hate him, you have to respect him for his tenacity and willpower.

The real loser are the Thai people via the Abhisit government, which is stubbornly running around in circles, accomplishing absolutely nothing in terms of national reconciliation.

Simple fact of the matter is Thaksin will remain highly influential to millions of Thais for years to come.

Lets see if those "millions" of Thais join the redshirt rally this weekend. Remember - it is "millions" right? Because when the number is less than that, I don't want you backtracking.

You confuse "millions of Thais" with some members of the redshirt rally. Putting words into posters mouths is hardly a way to win an argument

But then how else are you going to win it.

Doesn't matter if I win - Thaksin is the only real loser around, regardless.

Sorry Gnome Samak has just died. You must find a new murdered to champion.

PS. You nailed it on your comment.

I think you have the wrong gnome - I never championed Samak, except perhaps champion of the hot dog eaters.

I didn't like the man personally, and I despised his opportunist politics, but I do think he was colorful and respect that he didn't censor himself (albiet sometimes to his own detriment). I do send my condolences to his family, for this sad time.

May he have his own cooking show in the great beyond, and may it never be canceled.

Bottom line is media organisations all around the world create more news than they report.

Remember when all the news could be reported in 30 minutes at dinner time. 24 Hour news is not a good thing. Its partially responsibile for the hysteria around, otherwise, nonstories. Balloon Boy in the US, etc. The "End Times" plague of H1N1 (swine flue). In fact, the story i hear reported most is " Are we the media covering xxxxxx story to much?" Listen for that story on the 24hr news channels. It airs almost every day.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is - will the recent Camobodia flare up, and the proximity to "He who must not be named" b'day, affect the red turnout for the rallys. Lets be clear - Jatuporn said it would be "millions". Government intelligence figures estimate 40,000. I will be interested to see who is correct.

40,000 people is not insignificant, but its not a million - its not even a 100,000, and it certainly isn't going to "Topple" a sitting government, who appears to be firmly in control (that control being established through Abhisit's leadership during "Bloody" Songkran).