BNZ

 PS, is that what I think it is on his head?

Yeeaah, if you look at it long enough it starts to move 

I hear choppers over my head for the past 10 minutes (Rajaprasong area)... what's going on, anyone?

EDIT: Added photos. Apologies for crappy quality, used 30+ times zoom as it's flying VERY high, in circles around the area.

Heh heh heh heh heh

Perhaps not in economic theories, but in fiscal common sense, the old school military guys did a decent job. ... The greatest UK PM ever Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty, well what can one say, he just totally rocks.

Oh, come on please ... yes, Churchill was a great PM and he united the country like no-one else could have done at the time, but he was no more successful as an economist than he was in the military where he spent most of his time as a war correspondent. As for his time as First Lord of the Admiralty, you seem to have overlooked his main contribution to WWI: Gallipoli.

"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it"

Winston Churchill

That he did, for he was a fine writer however as destroyer of 'The Empire' this celebrated drunkard was unbeatable. 

Another topic ..at another time we have more pressing incompetents to deal with. 

ANZAC day this weekend.

                                                       Truth For Today

In the UK we don't have any of these problems including Military Coupes so you can't really compare the UK to Thailand.

I do not recall a protest in the UK where live ammunition was fired at demonstrators.

Another dumb Thaksin apologist.

Ever heard of Bloody Sunday?

Heh heh, you got 'em there yoshiwara  27 times ..and 14 dead !

But here's the one of the "Military Coupes" mentioned, heh heh... 

 

In free speech, there is nothing wrong with lying.

As you rightly point out, all the yellows are liars. So what. Let them carry on with it because they are proved liars again and again and lose credibility.

So much credibility have they lost that they have to hide in an Army Camp. Remember other recent (elected) PMs being protected by the Army? Flown around by the Army?

They have also brought scathing scornful reports by all international media on themselves and back tracked on numerous occasions.

They have encouraged a mob to try and intimidate the Army into KILLING red protesters. With no policies or attepmpts to solve anything, the PAD is back to demonstrate just how unfairly Abhisit was put into power and how uneven handed is the definition of Mobster and terrorist.

This mob at the Army base brought the country to its knees and members of the Government were at the airport with them. Now, they have called them into protect them from the rest of the country.

Lie on I say. It's done them more harm than good.

So we can assume that everything you write is a lie, based on your ethics as stated.

Take it easy on the Cocoa ?

 Give K Chavalit a few top notch harvard trained advisors

and he still might pull it

 

 In my opinion he's 'pulled it' too much

Some pictures from Silom a few hours ago ...

 Looks like a game changer to me

Tango anyone ?

Some pictures from Silom a few hours ago ...

So the 'Reds' declined to show up for their appointment in Silom this morning.

That's bad manners.

I'm sure there is another appointment on the dance card for them.

MCOT: Chavalit, Somchai announce 5 demands to end violence; urge govt to dissolve Parliament,revoke State of Emergency,stop distorting information

Soo... how does one read that? As admission that they are behind violence?

 The Reds,(even though I think they have moral right on their side)

Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Yeah the morality of 'Ronin Warriors'

and the Yellows towards Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe

Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 

grandpops That's that funniest post yet

You yellow, old-school, old-money supporters posting here would still be in the factory earning less than five dollars a day if it wasn't for socialists fighting for workers rights, true democracies, legal systems functioning equally for rich and poor, and universal healthcare and education.

Really?

I thought I'd still be owning the factory paying the peasants less than five dollars a day, and enjoying every minute of it!

Your really getting reamed, I've got five factories offshore and I'm only paying the serfs $1.00 a day

More Champagne !

I'm quite sure if you can present 'documented and provable' misdeeds against Abhisit it will be displayed right here in black and white free of any censorship ! for all to peruse

".. that really says it all ".... ..doesn't it ?

Well, since you raise the point, where shall we start?

How about the 7,000 page Department of Special Investigation report on the 258 million baht donation by TPI Polene/ Prachai Leophairatana, which Abhisit denied existed when he signed off on the Party accounts and which the Electoral Commission has at last recommended should result in the banning of the Democrat Party?

And you are saying this has already been proven in a court of law ?  No

Would you state here for all to see that you know Abhisit knew of it's existence, it is   "documented and provable "  and do you have the proof  ?     No

Has Abhisit been found guilty ?     No

Have you been able to write this free of censorship ?    YES !

 

If you search the threads on TV regarding the drug wars you'll see Thaksin called a murderer many times. And Thaksin is slandered on TV regularly with impunity. But under the lash of Abhisit-military censorship the same words directed at any of the present administration is somehow off-limits. That really says it all.

The misdeeds of Thaksin are extremely well documented, some have been proved in a court of law and many more cases are pending.

I'm quite sure if you can present 'documented and provable' misdeeds against Abhisit it will be displayed right here in black and white free of any censorship ! for all to peruse   

                                                     ".. that really says it all ".... 

                                                                ..doesn't it ?

going mad to read all this stuff, most of you US guys, you came from a free country, Thailand is not a fancy video-game, it is real, the reds are real too. Nobody wants to start the talks first, that is "kindergarten".

Hey 'greasergirl' you may need to wash yourself off in detergent.

They've already had talks and 'the reds' refuse negotiation or compromise ..they only offer their well documented terrorism as threat in the name of 'Democracy' 

It's not 'kindergarten', innocent dupes have ..and are possibly going to die.

Get back to your video game 

"They don't like it up 'em sir!"

I don't think many will doubt the exceptional quality of analysis in the always well-researched, well-informed and fearless Economist magazine. An interesting article was published a couple of days ago that draws some interesting conclusions. It is here:

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayst...ory_id=15908365

The article certainly does not hold the redshirts blameless and points out the seriousness of its misteps. But a couple of the key quotes from the article that were spot on included these:

"The origins of the bloodshed can be disputed. But the underlying causes of political deadlock are not: they lie in the persistent refusal of Thailand's elites to accept electoral defeat"

The cobbling together of a coalition when a majority is not sufficiently established is a cornerstone of DEMOCRACY and not an " electoral defeat"

It amazes me at the level of hatred and criticism being directed towards Thaksin on this forum. He seems to be considered guilty of just about every crime known to mankind. The only thing missing (AFAIK), are accusations of pedophilia...

But when he was in power only a few years ago, I cannot recall reading such extreme views about him from Thai Visa posters. No-one was baying for his blood, or demanding his imprisonment

Now why is that? Seems to me that there are too many 'sheep' on this forum willing to accept the statements of an illegal, post-coup government.

Thaksin was no angel. But he was definitely the best PM for Thailand, given the country's circumstances.

Simon

Ha ha ha ha h ha ha ha ha ha ha  ...oops my ass fell off 

 

Even if it does work, if he is seen too aligned with those who created violence, ie Sae Daeng and the Ronins,

assorted black warriors, renegade army or any of the combinationas.

Then, even as national leader, or deal negotiating puppet master, he would be a international pariah,

and the big business dealers he would want to get into bead with would shun him, as bad juju for their other holdings world wide.

Just as those doing business with Myanmar junta are few and far between, or amorally thick faced.

Some say it's getting like Burma from Abhisit not resigning, but it would REALLY end up like Burma

if Thaksin gained control after leading the creation of a bloodbath, and the necessary control mechanisms

to hold back the peoples hate from him no matter how he tried to hide the tentacles of his culpability.

He imagined he could be the white knight, and yet he hasn't rbnought down his foe,

just drawn his opponents closer together, and weakened the positions of his puppets appreciably.

Agreed, Thaksin has now been exposed nationally and internationally as a leper !

 

It is a Pi in a Violin.... 40% of the population is concerned by drought, rice, rubber price (around 25 Millions people far from the 0.5 million).... Mini measure "Cosmetic", NOTORIOUSLY INSUFFICIENT.

Thai Agriculture needs a "MARSHALL PLAN", present your cosmetic measures to the Kindergarden, they may be impressed.

 

To date, in North Eastern Thailand the soils are dry, Most of the farmers have already prepared the soils. There is only one crop per year. My wife and her brother/sisters are helping her old father (70) when necessary, myself (when I can do it), but now nothing to do just to wait, we are at least at one month of the rain. The village and surroundings have only 2 small tractors. The fields are prepared with the "Tic Tacs". Few buffalos because during the dry seasons no food for them. Similarly only few cows. a Little of Rubber trees do exist mainly nearby Siwilai. But Nakhon Phanom is too dry.

Northern Thailand is very unlucky with this long dry season. Rain arrives lately one month at least after Bangkok. Successive governments have done very little, irrigation should be organised. Pumping is not the solution because in the region there are salt rock at 100m underground (Tha Phanom), salted water is not good for irrigation. Important investments have to be done. I am not a water specialist but I guess taping water from Mekong is probably the solution. Local Universities (Nakhon Phanom, Sakhon Nakhorn) are too weak in term of teachers and investments for helping seriously.

Maybe 10 days ago, I have supported the idea, same as several posters, that Grouping of Farmers was required into Cooperatives or similar. Those cooperatives should be subsidised for purchasing a minimum equipment like tractors....

The rice is of poor quality and difficult to sell. my father in law makes baskets. It is a small income 20/40 Thai bahts per day or is fishing in a small lake/reservoir

Farming in this part of Thailand is not a business it is a survival activity.

If your extracting one rice crop a year when the norm now is three crops a year you have a serious dilemma, change to a more suitable crop ..if there is one for that soil, or ..move !

How about grapes/wine. Good for dry ground, plant a few vines around the edges as a trial and I'll be the first to buy a bottle.

Unfortunately Jerry you can't extract blood from a stone ...or soil, it's futile. You have to do what millions of people over thousands of years have had to do, suffer, adjust or move on. I have been forced into this myself ..I don't expect any government to subsidize me or support me in any way. And in your situation, the same as thousands/millions of others in Thailand Thaksin and his Red Shirts can't help you, no matter what they say, you'll still be ploughing the same dry, salty fallow ground. 

The same dry, salty, fallow political ground !

A "gentleman" - will open a door for a lady ... but will smash that door into the face of any 'aspiring young pretender' that cares to try his hand - and still end up kissing her on the cheek at the door to her place later whilst politely refusing to go in for a coffee.

..and would,  graciously giving in to her wishes ..to drink from her cup ! 

Thence entering her Jade Doors to thoroughly and exquisitely satiate her lusty, bountiful desires exposing the full and complete woman that only an Abhisit supporter could reveal. 

Sorry boys , I had to stay 'on topic'.

Looking at any 'operation' against Rajprasong the government forces would need to try and ensure that the moms and babies weren't in the firing line (which they actually managed to achieve last weekend, by luck or planning ... who knows). I assume that they are not on the 'acceptable fatalities' list this time round ? It might be harder to effect this at Rajprasong.

Let's see.

And when  "any 'operation ' "  starts, the so called Red 'leaders' will slip out the back windows and run like rats deserting a sinking ship to spread their Molotov terrorism throughout Bangkok under the misnomer of Democracy. 

Leaving the decent but duped supporters to naively take the brunt of the action.

Most of them can survive in conditions that would kill most of us and still maintain a fair degree of civility and unity. They are tough and fearless. They will prevail in the long run and all the oracles on TV here will wonder, why did we not understand them better.

They sound rather like the Viet Cong.

And like the Viet Cong, they will win in the end.

And what exactly did the Vietnamese rice farmer win ?

More grinding poverty.

Thaksin is calling room service now to order up more champagne and caviar.

Ohhh what a grand celebration.