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Well, the idea is to vaccinate people equitably without prioritizing one nationality over another which is now what the Thai government has decided to do.
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My understanding is that the US is vaccinating everyone present in the country without regard to nationality. Thailand has now declared that they will do the same. I hope to be vaccinated, for a price, at Bumrungrad in a month or so. The hospital confirmed my registration just two days ago. This will, of course, be subject to their ability to import the vaccines.
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Read page 2 of your passport.
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If you're an American, read the first inside page of your passport. Countries where Americans are residing do have an obligation to provide them with assistance. Thailand fumbled its timely procurement of vaccines. This puts Americans in danger, especially the elderly and those with health conditions that make them particularly vulnerable to infection by the virus. I think that it should be possible for some of the tens of millions of doses that are being sent to India to be diverted to Thailand and given to Americans and possibly other foreigners as well. Thailand would be averse to losing face over its inability to provide vaccines on a timely basis. This is probably partly behind its previous declaration to deliver vaccines to Thais first, now rescinded. A supply of America's surplus AZ vaccine could help Thailand out of a tough place. It might take strong demands from Americans to get that done. The medical establishment in Thailand is plenty angry about the tardy procurement of the vaccines. Perhaps the face saving for certain highly placed officials will win out and we will just have to wait. Flying out to get vaccinated would be costly in terms of time and money and probably dangerous as well so I am going to hope to be vaccinated in June.
BTW, doesn't America provide many millions in financial aid to Thailand each year?
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I registered for my vaccine shots with Bumrungrad back in February. They called me two days ago to confirm that my registration is still in effect. They will call me as soon as they have a shot for me. I hope to get it next month since I am over sixty. I have paid the hospital top dollar for various medical procedures over the past 15 years and they have treated me well. I am number seven on their list of farangs to be vaccinated.
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Have any of you Americans who say that you are not entitled to assistance once you have left America's shores ever read the first inside page of your passport? Have a look.
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Many posters have criticised my sense of entitlement. I am curious what their nationalities are. What degree of prejudicial thinking would make the segregation of Thais and foreigners in regards to their access to a vaccine acceptable?
My doctor at Bumrungrad anticipated that I would be able to be vaccinated in April. As the acquisition of vaccines was delayed and then delayed again, he and more than 75,000 colleagues petitioned that the health minister, Anutin, resign. If the government's tardiness in buying the vaccines has resulted in a shortage of doses, that makes it reasonable for foreigners to appeal to their various embassies for Vaccinations. As a single American, not a high level decision maker, it is only appropriate for me to ask for vaccines for Americans. Other nationalities can appeal to their own embassies and, perhaps, suggest that their embassy piggyback on an American shipment of AZ vaccines.
People have referred to me as belonging to the other half which they are ashamed of. I served my country in dicey situations for 24 years. Which half would that put me into?
There is a certain amount of virtue signalling in some posts. Putting America and certain Americans down does not make you a superior person.
I can't find it now, but a poster on this thread posted a link to information about foreigners being able to request vaccines from their embassies. That is helpful. Thanks.
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To say that there is no emergency is inaccurate. Especially for the elderly, COVID is a dreadful disease. Being vaccinated should be a priority for all elderly people. There should be no need to fly out of the country to be vaccinated. Would you say that Thai residents of America should be vaccinated only after all American citizens have been? I didn't think so.
No country gives up its freedom when it simply allows medical supplies to be flown in. Obviously other countries have already been allowed to fly vaccines in for certain groups of their nationals. The scenario of Ospreys landing on US Embassy grounds was meant to be dramatic, not to be taken literally.
'Whatever the motivation was, the government has now decided to allow the equitable vaccination of people living in Thailand.
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Yes, I am ex-military and my demand was meant to be provocative. It did trigger a lot of discussion. Some posters impute to me naivite about third world countries and anger toward Thailand. Apart from beauracratic frustrations, I am quite happy with Thailand and have been treated kindly here.
Regarding my experience with third-world countries and delivering medical aid, I have much experience participating in MEDCAP activities delivering medical care and supplies to villages NW of Saigon from 1966 - 1969 so I know that the US military is capable of delivering medicine by air when the situation calls for it. During my time in Vietnam, I had pleasant working relationships with Thai Air Force officers.
Let me tell you: in 1967, Thailand really was a third-world country. Its improvement in many ways since then is admirable.
Many Thai doctors were upset with the government's slowness to acquire vaccines - so much so that they demanded the resignation of Anutin. The fault that I was addressing in my post was the decision to vaccinate all Thais before foreigners which was completely wrong headed. Various embassies had imported vaccines to inoculate their staff but had not provided vaccines for their nationals living in Thailand, leaving that up to the Thai government. The government did not bear that responsibility In an equitable manner. Since America at that moment was sending tens of millions of doses to India, I didn't why some of that vaccine couldn't be diverted to Thailand. Other embassies apparently have not reached out to nationals of other countries with offers of vaccination. If Canada had demanded that its nationals be vaccinated too in return for their assistance to American diplomats in Iran that probably could have been done. Fortunately, no American importation of a vaccine was necessary because the Thai Government quickly saw the light and decided to vaccinate everyone regardless of nationality.
I don't know of any other country that proposed to vaccinate only a select nationality in their country, do you?
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If i were the Thai PM, I would be looking for ways to start mass vaccinations immediately at any price. If the number of infections and deaths spins out of control, the long-term psychological costs to the country will outstrip the financial costs of the vaccines and their deployment. The loss of confidence of tourists in being able to travel to Thailand safely could be very long lasting.
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I'm proud to be an American and not ashamed to demand that I be treated fairly. I literally can't count the number of pages on this forum in which people complain about being treated badly. In fact, mistreatment of foreigners is a common theme. The Thai government has recently switched from prioritizing Thai citizens for vaccinations to prioritizing Thais and non-Thais equally. That's as it should be.
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That picture is not of the embassy, by the way. The helicopter landed on a neighboring house.
The help volunteered by the Canadians is acknowledged. My point is that it would not be appropriate for me to appeal to the Canadian Embassy here for help in getting vaccinated. It they were to volunteer to help other nationalities, I would certainly not turn them down. -
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Gee, I don't know how I could have had the temerity to demand that the US government divert a couple of hundred thousand of the ten of millions of doses that it is sending to India to vaccinate American citizens in Thailand instead. Especially when they do not have priority but will be be vaccinated after Thais.
Actually, something seems to have caused the Thai Government to recalculate. An article in a local paper today declared that Thais and foreigners would be granted the same priority. I called Bumrungrad today to confirm the news and received a callback from the cardiology department assuring me that they would contact me as soon as a shot was available and that my place on the list remains the same. So I won't have to register with that government organization.
I don't know what to make of posters accusing me of wanting to go the the front of the queue. I just want a place appropriate to my age in a mixed group of vaccination candidates which is not segregated by nationality. Also, as an American citizen it is appropriate for me to appeal to America for help, not to other countries or entities. Actually it is up to Thailand to distribute the vaccines fairly without making it necessary for me to spend a lot of time and money to leave the country to protect my health. That is now apparently what it is prepared to do. I breathe a sigh of relief as it appears that I will be vaccinated at an appropriate time in my age group.
Incidentally, my friends and former colleagues in Japan are NOT being vaccinated as a segregated group but are being mixed in normally with Japanese of their age group. Fair is fair!
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What is the purpose of the 90-day report and how is the data gathered used? If it serves no effective purpose, it should be discontinued.
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There are numerous examples of Americans whose lives were in danger in friendly or neutral countries being rescued by small American contingencies. Think of Gen Schwarzkopf. Americans can't rescue citizens of other countries. That is up to those countries' embassies or militaries. I think that many foreign embassy staff and their Thai employees have already been surreptitiously vaccinated.
As the different government entities discuss vaccine permissions to be passed between them and then government registered patients being recommended to a hospital for a likely kickback. The tax and fees will be paid by the foreign vaccinees. This is still only at the stage of discussion at committee meetings. When the vaccines will be ordered is apparently not known. This is actually putting the lives of us old guys in danger. I could leave personally but many American residents can't afford to do that. That's why
US Military intervention seems necessary. The Thais seem to care very little about saving elderly American lives. Vaccinations could have been started much earlier. Medical staff seem furious about the situation. I think that this debacle will strongly affect future tourism. Amazing Thailand Indeed!
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The absence of vaccines has dragged on for a long time. The Thai government seems to be totally confused about whether, how and when American foreign residents will be vaccinated. The dithering just goes on and on. I think that it is time to appeal to the US Marines to fly in a squadron of Ospreys laden with vaccine supplies and land them on the embassy grounds on Wireless. They could set up a small camp and remain long enough to allow all Americans in the country to come for a vaccination. It's clear that the Thai government holds our lives in no regard. The US military has run such missions before to rescue Americans whose lives were in danger. We now need to call on the military to save our lives. The Thai government certainly isn't going to do it. Our lives are indeed in danger here and many of us can't easily fly out.
Can anybody get behind this and join a petition to the US Embassy or even the Pacific Command in Hawaii? The time for inaction is past. We must save ourselves!
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I can't register on Mor Prom because I don't have a pink ID. I need an alternative way to sign up for a vaccination. I am on a waiting list at two hospitals but I guess that doesn't count.
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There are some threads in which those of us who came in the mid sixties describe what Bangkok and Chiang Mai were like in those days. Patpong was just a normal street with a bar on each side of the street. The Chiang Mai night market was just two pickup trucks selling handicrafts. New Phetburi Road was being developed. There were only two English bookstores in Bangkok. How times have changed! I think that Thailand's heyday is over. Lets see how things turn out post-pandemic.
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Wasn't a petition circulated demanding that Anutin be replaced? Didn't Prayut then announce that he would take sole charge of matters regarding COVID? Why does Anutin now seem to be back in charge?
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Smoke screen! We have read numerous instances of hospitals and private companies submitting applications to buy the vaccines for months only to have the government agencies refuse to authorize them. They were apparently told they couldn't apply individually but would have to obtain their vaccine supplies through the government. Now Anutin is saying that they don't want to apply individually because of insurance risks. It apparently doesn't matter how many people are sickened or die.
In a local newspaper today, the headline of an article was entitled "Government drops the ball again..." It concerned the recent large outbreak in Klongtoey with many people sick and dying.
This is reminiscent of 19th Century mentalities when loss of life meant nothing to governments.
Just a few days ago, it appeared that, though I am an elderly foreigner, I could expect to be vaccinated sometime in June. Now that seems to be put back until August. I am now keenly aware that although Thailand describes itself as a "medical hub," it is not a safe place to be.
Were it not for greed, Thailand could have rolled out vaccines back in April. If I can survive until August, I will not forget that, through incompetence and uncaring, Thailand has put my life in danger. When I talked with my cardiologist at Bumrungrad back in February, he assured me that I would get an injection sometime in April. It is doubly galling that, although I am at high risk because of my age, I must go to the back of the line because of my non-Thai nationality. I am a renter of a serviced apartment so, although I pay quite a lot of money, I do not have the credentials allowing me to register for an earlier jab.
People thinking of moving to Thailand should seriously consider this threat to their health if they reside here.
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Would having both the Roojai and Rabbit policies be redundant? If Rabbit paid you 200,000 upon diagnosis would Roojai then refuse to pay your claim at the conclusion of treatment? Or, assuming that your treatment costs were over 200,000, would Roojai then pay the balance of your costs up to a total of 300,000 (200,000 + 100,000?)
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Dhipaya does not seem to have an English page. If possible, I would like to buy the 200,000 policy online but I don't understand what to do with the QR code that Dhipaya displays. Has somebody who has bought Dhipaya Insurance give me some pointers?
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How many tourists will now be confident of their safety in Thailand if a new pandemic were to occur? Being in Thailand at that time could be a death sentence for foreigners.
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I read somewhere a month ago that the government had approved the buying of vaccines by private companies which could then sell them to the private hospitals. Now it seems that permission has just been granted today!!!!
Overseas and Overlooked, Americans in Thailand Seek Vaccines
in Thailand News Headlines
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How much do you suppose that the current shipment of tens of millions of doses to India is costing the US?