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5 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

 

That video was supplied by EV maker BYD!  I kinda doubt they'd upload an unsuccessful crash test.

Ah, so they faked it. You really have an extremely closed mind.

Here's the Euro NCAP video of their test. Is this staged too?

2 minutes ago, Homburg said:

Those who need their EV for work are entitled to suffer from range anxiety.  In the real world one is not always able to find a working charger when one gets home after work and then the boss calls first thing to tell you to travel 300km to an important client meeting to cover for someone who has called in sick.  You are correct about chargers needing a phone signal, but no network has 100% coverage and the signal used by the charger may not be on the same network that your cell-phone uses, and your point about installing chargers only where there is a phone signal also explains why it is more challenging to use an EV outside of an urban environment - because there are very few chargers.  By comparison my ICE vehicle can travel 1000km between refuelling stops and so, until I retire from work, I am reluctant to switch to an EV.  

Guess what, if you have a job where your boss can call you on a whim to drive 300kms straight to a meeting then an EV is probably not right for you. No one is saying they are perfect for everyone. Personally I'd consider a new job but that's just me.

How often does that happen by the way? Is it about as often as a motorway being unexpectedly closed and you being diverted tens of kilometres through deserted forests? Or does it happen more frequently than never?

10 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

 

None of those are subject to extremely intense and rapid combustion as is a damaged EV battery.

 

Never know what the previous driver of an EV rental did with the car.  

Here's a video of an EV being smashed up. And then you see the battery is removed in perfect condition, placed in another car, and it works perfectly.  

If the previous driver of the rental had smashed the car badly enough to damage the battery I am pretty sure the rental company would notice it. Do you think these batteries are on the outside of the car and made of cheese?

Surprised you (or any of the others) haven't trotted out the "but what if it rains and the road floods" yet. Come on, you're missing a trick!

6 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

 

Good point.  And it might be a damaged 4-year-old battery.

 

(As, incidentally, might be the case for an EV rental car ...)

 

Surely you're just dreaming up hypothetical scenarios that have nothing to do with the topic in hand. I could rent a car with a faulty gearbox, or with timing issues, a loose clutch. That has nothing to do with anything.

And I believe the battery swap is a subscription so you are changing them after every charge is depleted and it takes the same amount of time as filling up with petrol. You don't keep the battery they give you.

3 hours ago, Homburg said:

I read the Guardian article on "range anxiety".  I found it to be superficial and deceptive. It suggests that range anxiety is about only two factors:  that batteries don’t have enough capacity for journeys and that there is a lack of chargers.  It IGNORES the issue of time taken to recharge, the issue of non-working chargers (when was the last time you found a gas pump that did not work?), the issue of cell-phone signal (because the chargers won't work if you can't get a signal),

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the issue of potentially spending significant time in an otherwise deserted car-park at night-time waiting for the battery to recharge (would you be happy for your wife or daughter to do that?) 

It ignores the issue of "charge evaporation" when the temperature drops (less of an issue in LOS, but certainly an issue in Europe & much of North America as even Florida gets frosts sometimes).  It ignores the issue of unexpectedly closed freeways/motorways with unplanned diversions of tens of kilometres through sparsely populated countryside  - with potentially zero charging facilities available.  It assumes that every EV will start a journey with a full charge - this can be really challenging for those without dedicated parking who may need to drive to a charging point some considerable time before setting off on any journey, so drivers may need to get up an EXTRA hour or more early to drive to a meeting because of the need to charge the EV prior to setting off.  Unlike The Guardian I find that range anxiety is real and completely justified and I suspect that the Guardian is being intentionally dishonest.  Those who read the Guardian regularly may not be surprised at this suspicion.

Hilarious. You accuse the Guardian of being superficial and deceptive then you go on to come up with most extreme examples of things that could maybe possibly happy.The Guardian was talking about general real-world ownership and typical usage.

 

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It IGNORES the issue of time taken to recharge, the issue of non-working chargers (when was the last time you found a gas pump that did not work?),

No it doesn't IGNORE that, it talks about it. It also talks about the 55% increase in the number of public charge points globally in 2022, and a 43% increase in fast charging in the UK in the past year. They also said there are still concerns about finder a reliable charger in the UK but that is being resolved quickly. 

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the issue of cell-phone signal (because the chargers won't work if you can't get a signal),

Seriously? They are installing charges in such remote uninhabited areas that there is not a phone signal? Why would they do that when a) people need to use a phone app to use them, and b) the stations themselves need a signal to operate? 

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the issue of potentially spending significant time in an otherwise deserted car-park at night-time waiting for the battery to recharge (would you be happy for your wife or daughter to do that?) 

How often are you left in an otherwise deserted car park in the middle of the night to charge? Again another ridiculous example plucked out of thin air and never likely to happen. How many charging units are installed in deserted car parks? Anyway I would tell my wife or daughter to not be so stupid as to run out of battery in the middle of the night in the middle of nowhere.

 

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It ignores the issue of unexpectedly closed freeways/motorways with unplanned diversions of tens of kilometres through sparsely populated countryside  - with potentially zero charging facilities available

So the article should discuss every perceivable scenario no matter how ludicrous or ridiculous or unlikely?  Yes, it ignored that scenario. It also ignored what would happen if a space ship landed to steal your battery for fuel.

Let me ask you, how many times have you experienced an unexpectedly closed motorway with an unplanned diversion through tens of kilometres through sparsely populated countryside? And on the occasions it did happen, how many petrol stations were in this sparsely populated countryside?

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It assumes that every EV will start a journey with a full charge - this can be really challenging for those without dedicated parking who may need to drive to a charging point some considerable time before setting off on any journey, so drivers may need to get up an EXTRA hour or more early to drive to a meeting because of the need to charge the EV prior to setting off.

If you really needed to leave for work an EXTRA hour earlier to get a charge your EV then you were an idiot for buying one as it clearly doesn't work for your needs. The Guardian did not say every single person should have an EV. If it works for your circumstances (ie you have home charging and don't do weekly journeys of several hundred kms at a time) then great. If not, stick with ICE or a hybrid. But inventing these silly scenarios that have no relevance to the article just shows you are coming in to the argument with a pre-conceived mindset and, let's be honest, makes you look a bit foolish.

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Unlike The Guardian I find that range anxiety is real and completely justified and I suspect that the Guardian is being intentionally dishonest. 

You mean unlike the Guardian that said: "There is no doubt that range anxiety is real."  Just admit you didn't read any of the articles, it's fine.

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Those who read the Guardian regularly may not be surprised at this suspicion.

This is exactly why I ended my post with "(Yeah yeah, the Guardian, lefty liberal, pushing the woke agenda, blah blah)", because there's always one like who will come out with comments like that, and almost always without reading the articles (like you). I am not an EV evangelist. I am not even an EV owner. I just found the articles informative and pretty well balanced. You might too if you try reading them and doing so with an open mind.

15 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Apparently production of EV creates 4x more pollution than ICE vehicles. There are a number of articles from reliable sources if you look on the internet. I would not have an EV for the following reasons:

 

1. Range anxiety - Tesla have been shown to exaggerate the range of their vehicles and it appears there is legal action in the USA as a result of this.

Range anxiety is real. I don't own an EV but I borrowed one for three days for a road trip. I was constantly wondering if the readout was accurate, but actually it was amazingly accurate. (You enter your destination and it tells you how much battery/range you will have when you arrive and also how much you would have left if you chose to drive straight back.). It was a Volvo, not a Tesla, I don't know anything about them exaggerating - what my car showed was accurate. However it all depends on driving style and other factors, just like you never seem to get the mpg advertised. It's on the buyer and how you drive.

If you are contantly doing long journeys, or can't charge at home, then an EV is probably not for you. If you read the article you will see the stats - in the UK 99% of car journeys are less than 100 miles.
 

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2. The cost is prohibitive compared to an ICE vehicle

No it isn't at all, that is just not true. Have you heard of BYD?  I will likely be switching to a BYD Seal on my next purchase - top of the range performance model - and it will be the cheapest car I have bought for myself for about 20 years.
 

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3. There is no assurance that charging points are available for a long distance drive. There may be point but are they functional? Plus the frustration if you are on a long drive with young children.

Partly true. However when I drove an EV I used PlugShare and was surprised by the density of charging stations in Thailand. If you are not looking for them you don't notice them. Definitely not a concern in Thailand right now although it remains to be seen if the infrastructure keeps up with sales (which are going through the roof).

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4. Trade in value will be minimal

That remains to be seen. Imagine you keep a car for ten years and your battery has degraded by 20% - it still has value. And in ten years time batteries will likely be much much cheaper than they are now.

A question for you: did you read any of the articles before posting? They cover most of your "concerns" backed up by data.

I am sure some of the EV owners on here (as mentioned, I am not one of them) will chime in with real world experience.

Just thought I would share this - a series of three articles, each one tackling a different "problem".  Subject are "range anxiety (should you worry about getting stranded)", "the dirty EV mining industry", and "the fire risk of EVs". 

I thought they were pretty well balanced and fair. Would be keen to hear feedback from any open minded anti-EV posters.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/series/ev-mythbusters

(Yeah yeah, the Guardian, lefty liberal, pushing the woke agenda, blah blah)

The Tesla Cybertruck has been spotted in Thailand already!

1 hour ago, brianthainess said:

Well done Nice T shirt lady, can you read English?

There's always one idiot who can only find something critical or stupid to say in a story about Thai compassion and goodness. And it is usually you. Does it give you a kick? What do you get out of it?