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2 minutes ago, Percy P said:
What's wrong with it. China is almost back to normal after using it.
So they say. The draconian way they lock down has helped the most. Even if it only helps 50% of the time it will be a big help but I would still choose the others first.
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2 minutes ago, KC 71 said:
time to get the hazmat out then Pal
That's how I felt when working in a mortuary the other day. An N95 mask does not give you much confidence.
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14 hours ago, Moonlover said:
I've been taking fish oil for many years and never catch colds or flu. I'll go along with this one.
What could possibly go wrong?
I've been weeing everyday since I was born and never been run over. As it obviously is infallible I now don't bother looking before crossing roads.
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36 minutes ago, KC 71 said:
So far 82 fatalities ,in a population of 69 million.
Last year it was much the same in the UK. Now it's more like 10x that a day.
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1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:Having done enough research to be able to make an informative judgement, I have decided to decline getting the "experimental vaccines", of any kind at the moment.
When the vaccine has been tested more, with more information coming along down the track, I will then perhaps revise my decision based on the science, not what people in the same position for decades advise me and others, currently they are "experimental vaccines" from the interpretation under emergency use, and because every Tom, Dick & Harry are getting there's doesn't mean I am getting mine.
More information needs to be coming in, it was enough that they changed the procedures as to how to complete death certificates when the virus first surfaced, e.g. anyone dying within 28 days of being tested positive was have their death put down that they died from COVID, regardless if they have comorbidities with the virus or died in a car accident, this is fact, so that made the death count to be way way over inflated, the procedure later changing back to how deaths should be reported as per normal allowing for commentary noting that the deceased also tested positive to COVID within the last 28 days, suffice to say if you had a stroke (underlying condition) previously from the past, and tested with a positive result within the past 28 days, your death certificate should say deceased from a stroke with the commentary noting the deceased was tested positive from COVID within the past 28 days.
Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, COVID is very real, is very contagious, but it is not a death wish, the % of those recovering without any issues or even realising that they had it are very very high, the latest information from research states that most times people don't even have a fever, yet everywhere you go, you are tested for your temperature, it is now know that the symptoms are a soar throat, muscle pains, usually the back area, loss of taste and smell and fatigue.
The vaccine doesn't even protect others if you have been vaccinated, go figure.
It will allegedly give you up to 95% efficacy and yet you will still be asymptomatic, W-T-F, ok, it will protect you up to 95% depending on the "experimental vaccine" you get, but no information on how it will affect those with underlying conditions, maybe down the track with more information we will know, so I say, let everyone else get it to build up herd immunity and maybe, just maybe I will just get through it, in the meantime I will still to get my annual flu jab, and Pneumonia booster this year.
If the governments make it mandatory for visa renewals and or entry back to my homeland, and airlines not allowing you on board without a vaccine stamp, then I will revisit my options which would slowly be fading, but not without challenges of course, force is not something I take to easily.
Here's to more years on this planet without the "experimental vaccine" or bureaucratic idiots making stupid decisions that effect the odd black sheep.
Assuming you are in Thailand, you have the luxury of having little chance of being infected so a lot of what you say is fine.
I am in the UK and almost everything you say has a totally different meaning when applied here. The figures even without those who died of unrelated causes are still very high.
Our second wave with the new variants are far worse than what Thailand is used to. I know people who have had it and even those who didn't end up on a ventilator say it is very scary how bad they became. Most factories I visit have had bad cases and some with workers who died. These are not people with underlying problems they are normal workers. Many places test you before letting you in and not just a temp checks. Lateral flow tests are becoming normal. The local hospital mortuary is busier than ever. Bodies were coming and going non stop. Still going at half 6 when I left. Normally they finish at 4. Extra storage has been brought in as well. So here vaccine is by far the smaller risk. Most people over 70 have been vaccinated without major problems. So vaccines seem to be safe.
The UK variant looks likely to have come from someone who was infected for an extended time. So anyone not vaccinated is risking becoming the source of the next variant.
You say you have done research yet you cannot understand how a vaccinated person can pass on covid. The way I understand it is that you can get infected but your body can fight off the infection (assymptomatically) and while this is happening you can pass it on. You seem to be confusing this with passing covid on just from being vaccinated.
Personally I have no problem with people refusing to be vaccinated without a valid reason but they should be prepared to pay for every consequence should they become ill with covid. Hospital staff are risking their lives to treat people yet you won't even take a vaccine.
Maybe you need to find some better sources for your research as being an anti vaxer is not making you look very clever. But if your talking about the Chinese vaccine then I agree and would only take that as a last resort.
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9 hours ago, Pinot said:14 hours ago, smedly said:100% agree
no way will I be allowing anything from China into my body
Why is this racist nonsense allowed?
China is not a race it is a country. A country with a very untrustworthy government that did little to stop the spread of covid19 outside its borders.
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18 minutes ago, theonetrueaussie said:
No vaccine for me at all thanks, I will wait a year or two and see what the side effects are first thankyou!
Assuming you don't die first.
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1 hour ago, salsajapan said:
only idiots can be scammed, so I guess that they deserve it !
Wrong 2 times.
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39 minutes ago, Salerno said:
I was talking about existing internal lines, not the new lines.
It's linking stations/new stations on the line, not just airport to airport direct. Hence the monorail being delayed due to changes to the new Pattaya station.
Hence expanding U-Tapao into a larger international airport.
See previous.
Look up the bigger project this is just a part of (EEC - Eastern Economic Corridor ... from memory, been a while since I looked into it but pretty sure that's what it's called).
Points taken. I have not kept up and thought that it was just an airport link that would be later continued eastwards.
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1 hour ago, jacko45k said:
A Pattaya that does not change, will there be anyone willing to fly very far to see it in the future? It is stuck in the past, but I wonder if that will appeal to the next generation.... like it did to me!
The point is it has its niche which can attract people and not just sex tourists as a lot of other attractions like street food can flourish.
Then ask what will attract the next generation to a modern sanitised Pattaya that is no different to half the beach resorts in the world?
How many people do you hear saying Thailand has become a great place to visit compared to 20-30 years ago (ignoring the exchange rate). Of those that say it has, ask them why is it better than Spain or Miami.
Many tourists like to see things stuck in the past such as preserved villages. Even more so if they are actually still functioning as they used to.
It all comes down to supply and demand. If the girls have better options the supply will dry up. If the bar scene experience becomes unpleasant or places like Amsterdam and Eastern Europe offer something better/cheaper then demand will fall.
The mayor thinks he is preparing Pattaya for the future and will say he was right as the last bar closes. In reality he could go either way. His way will finish off the bars but he could have kept them as the main attraction. Unfortunately he sees much more financial rewards from big business than small business. The risk is, like KSR, just because it looks nice and modern, doesn't mean people will want to travel thousands of miles to visit. Being so close to BKK means pattaya should be popular no matter what the mayor does. Will killing off its only stand out attraction be a good idea, who knows? I certainly don't.
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6 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:
Wow, you've really missed the point. The HSR will connect Don Muang with Bang Sue (main train station), Suvarnabhumi, then go on to U-Tapao with some stops along the way - Pattaya being one of them where it will link with the monorail if it ever gets built.
Did you really think it's just going to airports? If you're going to be so critical of something it's better if you actually know a little about it.I stand corrected I didn't know there was other stops along the way. So it will hardly run at high speed for more than a few miles.
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8 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:
"From what I've read" - you forgot to add "on TVF".
So repaving the road and pavements and adding bollards to stop encroachment by cars has destroyed KSR has it? You do realise that that work was done during Covid when there are no tourists and we are still under Covid and there are still no tourists. Would love the see the article you read that said the repaving has destroyed it.
Problem with TVF naysayers is they listen to all the other TVF naysayers, and most of the TVF naysayers have no first hand experience of what they are naysaying. Perfect case in point.KSR was my first stop after arriving at Don Mueang. It was packed and full of energy a great way to start a 3 month trip. Gradually it has been modernised and the life sucked out. Last time I was there, about 3 years ago, it was just plain unpleasant. Now I avoid Bangkok completely when possible.
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10 minutes ago, Salerno said:
To speed up international/domestic/international flights for tourism/business.
How many international tourists/businessmen travel by train? Pretty sure the idea is to expand U-Tapao including more domestic and international flights.
Swampy and Don Mueang are close enough to be connected by a normal sky train linked in with existing transport options. A high speed train will barely have got going before it has to stop.
If businessmen and tourists won't use the train, then who will?
If I landed at Swampy and wanted to go to Pattaya a direct high speed train would be perfect. Flying or taking a high speed train to U-Tapao and then looking for a bus or taxi is not better. It may work for businessmen going elsewhere or Chinese tour groups.
International flights to U-Tapao will always be more expensive than flying to BKK and taking a taxi to Pattaya. Also no chance of direct flights from most countries.
I would have thought businessmen would be a very small amount compared to the number of tourists going to Pattaya so why drop tourists miles away at an airport they could have flown to.
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14 minutes ago, jacko45k said:
Pattaya is a place and does not discern in the slightest.... for the people of Thailand I doubt the slums of Soi VC hold much meaning unless they live there. Arrogant of Westerners to hold this country and it's people back over foreign nostalgia due their sense of fun over their old tatty crumbling buildings....
Thailand needs to modernize.
Yes and no. Would you modernise Stonehenge or the Tower of London? Modernisation is killing Pattaya. Large malls and hotels filled with Chinese along an uninviting beach is driving Farang away. Now the decline is in full flow the mayor thinks making everything shiny and new is going to bring them back. Then there is the problem of who will benefit in the end. Those with money will make money far more than those with small businesses that get pushed out.
Sure you can bulldoze Stonehenge and replace it with yet another awful metal sculpture surrounded by big hotels but would anyone want to fly halfway around the world to see it?
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5 hours ago, Salerno said:
Thought the three airports in question are Dong Mueang, Suvarnabhumi and U-Tapao?
What is the point of joining airports with high speed trains? Much more sense to join the places that people want to travel between.
Why not join the 2 Bangkok main train stations to the monorail in Pattaya via Swampy? U-Tapao could then be closed as it would be redundant.
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5 hours ago, webfact said:Economists in a Reuters poll had forecast the economy would shrink 5.4% year-on-year and grow 0.8% quarter-on-quarter.
These figures don't make sense especially the ones above. The economy is shrinking and growing at the same time. TAT may have massaged them.
-5.4 = 0.8 x 4
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56 minutes ago, Snackbar said:
OK to pass judgement with a third party version of an event?
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OK for this teacher to be free to threaten further violence if the case is not dropped when there is strong evidence against him?
No
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6 minutes ago, eastlight said:
Your description is just what the Pattaya I visited in 1985 was actually like.
Same as Lamai in 2000. I knew the good times were over when McDonald's came and every way to get to the beach was built upon. I have not been to Samui for about 10 years so need to see what it is like after covid.
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3 hours ago, Orton Rd said:
what if they applied the 1996 law which is about the suppression of prostitution ? not only providing as it does penalties for prostitution, but for soliciting, pimping and just about everything else to do with it. People used to get pleasure from bear baiting and the sex trade does affect other people. It's mired in criminality, exploitation, drugs, depression and ill health.
Mongers should read it
Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents or printed matters, or by any means makes known to the public in a manner apparently indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of himself ,herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand to forty thousand Baht or to both.
Section 8. Any person who, in order to gratify his or her sexual desire or that of another person, has sexual intercourse or acts otherwise against a person over fifteen but not over eighteen years of age in a prostitution establishment, with or without his or her consent, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of one to three years and to a fine of twenty thousand to sixty thousand Baht.
If the offence under paragraph one is committed in relation to a child not over fifteen years of age, the offender shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of two to six years and to a fine of forty thousand to one hundred twenty thousand Baht.
If the act under paragraph one is committed in relation to one's own spouse, and not to gratify the sexual desire of another person, the offender is not guilty.
Section 9. Any person who procures, seduces or takes away any person for the prostitution of such person, even with her or his consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute an offence are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand Baht.
What an uneducated, narrow minded view. You must have had a very sheltered life. No-one can deny prostitution has some very bad sides to it including in Thailand. I have spent many hours researching bars and spoken to many bar girls so know a lot of the good and bad things that go on.
What is the alternative - planting rice for little reward.
What are the rewards - decent money and the chance to snare a relatively or even very wealthy husband. Money for the family.
What are the risks - very little but they can be very bad.
Is it a bad life - no worse than a normal job if they are mentally up to it.
Most girls have at least one child to support which reduces their chances of getting a decent Thai husband.
It is not suitable for most girls but it certainly is not that bad when compared to the alternatives most of these girls have. Tourist bars are a fraction of Thai prostitution and I doubt are any worse than karaoke bars.
Instead of just taking the moral high ground do your own research and put yourself in their position. Bars have lifted many families out of desperate poverty and helped many to be happy but there has also been many exploited and harmed as well. Remember, people are also hurt in normal jobs whether physically or mentally. I slipped on ice at work yesterday and smashed my head on the ground while doing some welding. I bet you don't want to stop people welding though. I wish I could earn a month's wages just for sleeping one night with my choice of one of the women who came to my pub.
I doubt much has changed but I am out of touch now as I have been married over 10 years and I don't think our 6 year old would want to sit in a bar at night just yet - but he does love the Hooters (bar) near Nana plaza.
Edit - I forgot to mention, that law is not generally enforced for a reason - money, lots of it.
If it was enforced it would not help anyone as it would just drive prostitution underground meaning it would be more unsafe for everyone.
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38 minutes ago, Tony Calderazzo said:
Need get rid of other type of filth .. that would take care of the rubbish ..
a great opportunity to move the whole “mixed business” away from the foreshore
That would make plenty of room for multistorey hotels. A great way to kill off anything of interest. Maybe widen the roads a little so that they can be lined with pretty Chinese tour buses.
Pattaya could be like Miami that should have the Americans queuing up to stay - or just maybe they will just go to Miami. There is a big market for that kind of tourist and they have a lot of choices that are much more suitable. Pattaya caters to a niche tourist who has very few options so why not concentrate on that instead?
Remove big hotels and shopping malls, create small streets filled with seedy bars and of course make a nice quiet natural looking beach. A place where men can enjoy nights out without families, snobs or Chinese to spoil the atmosphere.
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2 hours ago, Mister MXYZPTLK said:They could be handing out Free Gold Nuggets and that won’t be bringing back tourist later this year. They’re smoking their own stash again.
It will take 2-3 years before any significant tourist industry reappears. Remember as Thailand has suffered economically, so has all other countries. They simply don’t have the disposable income to spend it on traveling. They’re hanging on by a thread financially.
There’s a better chance of an elephant Stampede from Surin than there is Tourist reappearing this year.
But the good news is that it gives the Govt plenty of time to make the required repairs.
Here in the UK we have been hit pretty hard but most businesses have kept going. This means most people are in work and not able to go out and spend their money. Many people here are longing to get away and have the money to do so. As soon as quarantine and other restrictions are gone there will be a sudden rush for holidays and all the other things that have been stopped by covid. This could all start before the end of this year. A group of us are wanting to go to Thailand this summer so are hoping vaccine passports are sorted out by then.
Don't think it is all doom and gloom. Many are predicting another "Roaring 20s" like after the 1st World War. Probably to be followed by another great depression of the 30s as we start paying back the massive national debt.
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17 minutes ago, Pilotman said:
I was last there about a year later than you. I was not uncomfortable, just bored by it all. Just looked a sad, seedy and down market dump.
Sounds like my kind of place.
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19 hours ago, Orton Rd said:
They need to bury the sex trade as well
Why? Pattaya has been built on the sex trade. Take that away and there is nothing to go there for. Why should any European fly 5000 miles further than Spain to go to a boring shopping street? Pattaya needs to cater for the Chinese market now and prey it lasts.
Being run down with bars and masses of "ugly" cables is not only very cheap to maintain but gave it its charm. People like me would make the effort to go and experience Pattaya but people like you have many places to go shopping and Pattaya will not stand out from most of them.
All this reconstruction will be very expensive, drive away what's left of the tourists and mean starting from zero.
Pattaya had its uniqe place in the world and worked very well. This mayor is trying to turn it into something that can be found in many countries.
I'm just glad I got to see Pattaya in its prime when I was in my prime even though I much preferred Lamai (around 20 years ago).
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1 minute ago, wombat said:
666 on the forehead is gaining popularity so i believe
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Expats in Thailand to be given COVID-19 vaccine: CCSA
in Thailand News
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The UK is testing giving 2 doses of different vaccines instead of 2 of the same as it may be more effective and/or get around supply problems.