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7 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Thai capital only had enough for one more week at the current daily rate of cases.

One more week before deaths start to really ramp up. Even here in the UK we are not sure about opening up due to all the new variants. So why risk it with an unprotected population?

7 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

"The government and I will do everything possible to ensure that we all will persevere through this crisis."

You have all been vaccinated so you will but what about the rest of the population? I guess they are expendable. Sure you have ordered the extra vaccines but how long before you even get all the vulnerable people their first shot? 

3 hours ago, Amdesign said:

8 of 2070, or only 0.39% of infections are from abroad. This means, risk from international arrivals is marginal, compared to domestic cases.

 

Why not open the country for business travellers, without quarantine? At this stage, all import/export/manufacturing businesses suffer from unability to travel (unless one is not a street noodle shop). I am not talking about tourism, I am taloking about all other buisinesses.

 

 

Have you not heard about the S. Africa or Brazilian strains? They are even worse than the UK variant. They could stop our holiday plans for another year here in the UK. Any travel to or through "red zone" countries will still mean a hotel quarantine here at your expense even if we open up.

Infection rates may stagnate but will death rates? I don't think so.

1 minute ago, Covedian21 said:

I haven't seen any quality products from China yet. And that includes car parts and other stuff.

 

 

 

         

They certainly can and do produce quality products when asked to but most companies go for cheap hence low quality.

1 hour ago, club said:

And then when they go to purchase a Vaccine, they pick the cheapest and the one from CHINA with a 50,4 % success rate. Reminder, Where do you think Covid came from? 

A mate of mine knows a hospital worker that was given a vaccine (I presume from China) and is suffering so badly that she is not wanting the second dose. It sounds far worse than what the AZ vaccine produces. I personally would avoid it unless it was the only choice, as in her case.

1 minute ago, bougnat said:

one death every 20 mn on  motorcycle. There is still room before we panic...

I think this is what many people in the UK and USA were saying but comparing it to flue instead. This is the start, just look at the UK figures when the 2nd wave took off with the same UK variant even with a lockdown. Thailand needs to have a severe lockdown now until vaccine rollout is well underway. Don't go by the recorded infections - look at the daily death rate and multiply that by 1000 to give you an idea of how bad it was 2 weeks ago. Then looking at the rate it increased daily over the last 7 days you will realize how much worse it is now. Then you have to factor in - are they reporting every death caused by covid?

"There is still room before we panic..." - Panic won't help but it is too late to be complacent as it will take real effort to slow it down now but those in charge are immune so don't care now.

If vaccines are this good for the weakest, eldest and otherwise most vulnerable then they are amazingly effective. Much better than the trials predicted. Just hope there are no long term, as yet unknown, side effects but I think we would see some signs of them by now. 

An almost insignificant number of blood clots, which may have been caused by covid (which is known to cause clots), are no reason to stop the vaccine rollout. I wonder how many people the likes of Macron and Merkel etc. have killed with their stupid comments and vaccine restrictions.

10 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand is the country with the highest death rate from road accidents in ASEAN of 32.7 per cent

What does this figure mean? 32.7% of people in accidents die? Does that include those that don't die at the scene? 

54 minutes ago, bermondburi said:

Oh, I have no doubts about herd immunity being real. But I wouldn't make it my exit strategy for the virus without vaccination. 

Exactly.

12 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Actually I just read the article and was totally gobsmacked, if you haven't read it, I would suggest you do as it says face masks are dangerous to the wearer, and that is the NIH stating it.

 

I couldn't believe what I was reading, but when I saw it was from NIH, I said it has to be credible. 

I only skimmed through but soon came to the conclusion it was mostly truths and half truths twisted to give the wrong conclusions.

It was not from the NIH just look at the reference list - 67 of them so credibility is suspect.

Masks especially the thin blue ones don't stop you getting covid19 and it has never been claimed they do - by anyone clued up. They are worn to reduce (not stop) the transmission of covid19 by reducing the droplets coming out of your mouth, especially when talking or coughing, from spreading. This reduces transmission by about 30% according to the last figures I saw.

The article also goes on about breathing problems - absolutely not a problem for all but those with severe breathing problems. Funny how some cannot walk from the restaurant front door to a table wearing a mask but are quite happy to sit around people when they should obviously be shielding at home if they are that ill. 

Masks are for other people's benefit not yours so selfish people will use any excuse to not wear them hence this biased article. 

One real problem I didn't see mentioned that is real is glasses or in my case safety glasses get steamed up making it hard to see where you are going or what you are doing (it is still  cold in the UK). This is a real danger.

I will now look at the article you linked to from the same source and expect much of the same bias.

7 minutes ago, bermondburi said:

Herd immunity?! Hmmmm. 

That's where you lost any credibility....????

Herd immunity is real but will you survive until/if it is ever achieved?

19 minutes ago, Johnnyb2good said:

Hi guys! Wanted to put the FINAL nail in your hoax coffin.

 

The coffin that has “sociopathologized” virtually everyone in this group, the ones who can’t wait for a deadly “vax,” the ones who have locked themselves away in mortal fear for over a year, the ones who staunchly and religiously wear their ridiculous face-panties even when driving alone and admonish those who don’t...it’s all a lie.

 

All of it.

 

Should you have even ONE shred of intelligence and intellectual curiosity left in your brain...read and download your beloved science from the NIH. Do so now as they’re deleting it and people across all platforms desperate to hide the truth.

 

It’s over.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

There's no hope for some people once they join the cult.

"It’s over" - if only that was true. Unfortunately for Thailand it is just about to take off.

6 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I hear you loud and clear, however I still have time as there isn't any vaccine here yet, when it arrives, I will more than likely have to go with one the mRNA ones via a private hospital, and from what I have read, they have the least, AZ & J&J would be like Russian Roulette for me.

I just hope the vaccines don't have a yet to be discovered major problem like Thalidomide had. 

Hope all goes well for you and that if you do get your vaccine of choice you feel the relief I did when first my father was vaccinated and again when I was. I often work close with others and thin blue masks don't give me much confidence. I always wore an N95 mask but now am happy with the blue masks.

5 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

 

Walking time bombs after being vaccinated, coincidence, maybe, the risks are low they are saying, that appears to be the case when you see the number of people vaccinated surviving the vaccination vs those vaccinated that don't, usually within a week or two after having been vaccinated.

 

Risk is weighed up according to ones own views and to me, any risk of death is high, and in this life we have lived, the risks have always been there, pick any risk you like, it is still a risk, high/low, but to me, while they don't know what is causing these blood clots at the moment and saying it is a coincidence doesn't rub off well on me, e.g. they are saying a person could have had a stroke a week or two later if they didn't have the vaccine, so it might not be the "experimental vaccine", they don't know, and that is what they should be saying, but they don't want to panic people, but that is enough for me when they say, it's a coincidence until they can establish causality, but in the meantime the show must go on for them and if this was an approved vaccine, those deaths would have stopped these vaccines in their tracks, but because it's approved under emergency use, they can still go forward, regardless if more people die, regardless if the risks are low, life is cheap.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00940-0

"they don't know, and that is what they should be saying, but they don't want to panic people" - that clearly is what they are saying as shown in your linked article.

As it is so rare, it is not clear if blood clots are linked but the research is ongoing as it certainly has not been ruled out. 

Even if they are certain that vaccines caused these people to die for no known reason, I would still want to be vaccinated as the risk is so low compared to not being vaccinated. 

To me there are 2 reasons to get vaccinated which need to be weighed up against the risks of being infected with covid19 or risks of vaccine side effects. 

First is the obvious, well proven benefit of having a far greater chance of surviving after being infected and a much less chance of suffering from long covid.

Second is by being vaccinated you help reduce the spread of covid19 to those around you. This is something you seem not to take into account. You may be asymptomatic but you could infect a member of your family who has a serious reaction to covid19. When people stopped giving the MMR vaccine to children,  due to the false claims it caused autism, it seriously reduced herd immunity and caused a lot of suffering. 

Risk of being infected in Thailand is very low compared to where the UK was just 3 months ago. So there is little incentive to get vaccinated. Now that the UK strain is spreading that will change very quickly. Then look at what happens if you get infected. If you are young and healthy you will be at a very  low risk of dying but long covid could still be a problem. But what about those you live with or regularly visit? You may be OK but you could easily end up killing them. 

Then there is the risk of vaccine side effects - incredibly low even from the lower quality ones like sputnik or sinovac. The UK started by vaccinating the most vulnerable people so if there was any significant problems they would have shown up already. You could say it is the world's biggest ever vaccine field trial ever conducted on an experimental vaccine and it passed spectacularly well.

Being vaccinated is like wearing a seatbelt in the back seat of a car. It can not only save you but also the person sat in front of you. 

You aren't just gambling with your life you are gambling with those around you as well and the odds are already stacked against you by a margin that is rapidly increasing. 

2 minutes ago, Miami007 said:

Once you are vaccinated, you are extremely unlikely to get infected and infect others. 

66 million fully vaccinated in the USA and fewer than 6000 that got the virus. 99.99% protection is pretty good odds.

 

Do you mean infected or affected? I thought the vaccines were around 90% effective but very few were affected enough to need hospital treatment. 

22 minutes ago, Benmart said:

I am not qualified to determine if anyone has "a problem with alcohol", nor do I have an education or experience in rocketry.

 

Those who pontificate, may believe they know more than the mere mortal beings who may have different opinions on this complex matter.

Alcohol has been linked to increased infection rates right from the beginning due to it's effects on behaviour and the establishments it is consumed in. Clever people have already done the research and published the results. 

45 minutes ago, SupermarineS6B said:

100 %..........  After all these years abroad with all kinds of nastiness lurking around every corner i'm in the same boat....... Last time i was in Afrika i saw a man die of cerebral Malaria....... three days,    Brown bread !   I'll take my chances with C19 thanks......     As for experimental vaccines........ I'm no guinea pig..... 

This is precisely why vaccine passports are essential. Even some nursing staff in old folks homes are refusing to get vaccinated. The UK government is debating whether or not to force them to and if vaccine passports should be made mandatory. There are many opposing them because they are "devicive". Surely that is the point - I want to be devided from these anti vaxers. Why should most of us get vaccinated and then have to mix with people who treat covid as if it is not a problem and vaccines as a problem?

There should be consequences for those who refuse vaccines when they have been fully rolled out. Vaccines don't stop you spreading covid but they do reduce it which means less restrictions are required. It's like driving a car, we are all forced to take a test, making it safer for everyone. There will always be some who don't want to take a test and are statistically more dangerous to those they are near. If there are too many unlicensed drivers, the number of deaths will become high. 

35 minutes ago, AMFWolfie said:

compared with westerners Asian deaths are massively lower than their western counterparts and that's a fact.

Not that simple. Climate and culture will be playing a much bigger role. Deaths are less but death rate is similar and in the UK Asians are more susceptible than farang. The UK strain is about to show how bad covid is. 

You are doing the right thing by getting out before it gets too bad. The UK was bleak after Xmas but now things are really looking up but the other strains are not far away. I picked up 28 free lateral flow test kits no questions asked (except how many I wanted) this week. So along with the tests I get when visiting sites and my vaccine I should have a good chance to stop me unknowingly pass covid on to the rest of my family. The testing station where I got the tests from was empty whereas they used to have a que.