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As I have said before, Pattaya should concentrate on what it does well. Cheap sleazy bars full of girls is what it can do better than most cities in the world and is world famous for it already. Why try to reinvent itself into yet another bland family resort where it has to compete with Spain?
When I first came to Thailand it was not to be with families - I came to get away from them and experience a totally different type of holiday. Personally I preferred Samui 20 years ago but since families took over there Pattaya was one of the few interesting places to go even though I now am with my family.
As someone else pointed out - who wants to go to Khoa San Road anymore since it got modernised? 20 years ago it was always my first stop. Now I avoid it altogether. It used to be interesting and an experience now it is just ugly and a chore.
Pattaya evolved, what worked flourished same as Khoa San had. Bring in the snobs with their big redevelopment plans and all that will be lost. Spend the money on things that compliment what's already there - nicer beaches and improved travel links are all that it needed.
Don't make it bland as we already have Tenerife for that and Pattaya can never compete with it.
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4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:Does it really? Being fully vaccinated is purely a personal protection that should reduce the severity of the symptoms of any infection. Being double-shotted does not prevent you catching it or spreading it and offers no protections to others, vaccinated or otherwise.
Vaccine 101.
Being vaccinated reduces your chance of infecting others as well so not just a personal choice. Your decision whether to vaccinate or not can affect others.
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2 hours ago, robblok said:Deaths always have a delay, so they come after the peak. So what your saying does not make sense. (peaking deaths have nothing to do with infections and that is what they are talking about)
A rough calculation is multiply the deaths by 1000 to give the number of infections 2 weeks ago. So if daily deaths start going down around the 7th of May they could be right.
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7 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:I wouldn't panic over a couple thousand infections
It's the rate of increasing deaths that you should concentrate on. They lag infections by 2 weeks and really show if infections are slowing down or not.
1 week before ICUs are overrun and you are not worried? And how much longer can they keep infected people isolated? Once all the methods used (successfully) before are overloaded, the numbers will soon be cause to panic.
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7 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:
Thai capital only had enough for one more week at the current daily rate of cases.
One more week before deaths start to really ramp up. Even here in the UK we are not sure about opening up due to all the new variants. So why risk it with an unprotected population?
7 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:"The government and I will do everything possible to ensure that we all will persevere through this crisis."
You have all been vaccinated so you will but what about the rest of the population? I guess they are expendable. Sure you have ordered the extra vaccines but how long before you even get all the vulnerable people their first shot?
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3 hours ago, Amdesign said:
8 of 2070, or only 0.39% of infections are from abroad. This means, risk from international arrivals is marginal, compared to domestic cases.
Why not open the country for business travellers, without quarantine? At this stage, all import/export/manufacturing businesses suffer from unability to travel (unless one is not a street noodle shop). I am not talking about tourism, I am taloking about all other buisinesses.
Have you not heard about the S. Africa or Brazilian strains? They are even worse than the UK variant. They could stop our holiday plans for another year here in the UK. Any travel to or through "red zone" countries will still mean a hotel quarantine here at your expense even if we open up.
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Open your eyes to the truth - read this
I have not seen any evidence that any vaccine is more dangerous than covid. Some are more effective than others but Pfizer and AZ have been "tested" on millions of vulnerable people with excellent results far exceeding the trial results.
Vaccines have only been rolled out this year - less than 4 months, not over 2 years.
Please give links to proof that covid vaccines kill - proof not may have or linked with?
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1 minute ago, Covedian21 said:What I do not understand is that they don't give patients a blood thinner before they inject the vaccine. Way more people have had side effects than we might think.
Amazingly not many patients have died of the flu this year. Something doesn't sound right here:
Compared to the 2019-2020 flu season, for example, the CDC estimated that more than 38 million became sick with influenza, leading to 400,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths. That’s slightly lower than the 2018-2019 season (34,200 deaths) and significantly less than the 2017-2018 season (61,000 deaths).
https://www.prevention.com/health/a34671428/how-many-people-die-from-flu/
If I was about to have the AZ vaccine I certainly would take an aspirin with me.
As for flue - it proves covid prevention measures work for flue as well - only to be expected.
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1 hour ago, club said:
And then when they go to purchase a Vaccine, they pick the cheapest and the one from CHINA with a 50,4 % success rate. Reminder, Where do you think Covid came from?
A mate of mine knows a hospital worker that was given a vaccine (I presume from China) and is suffering so badly that she is not wanting the second dose. It sounds far worse than what the AZ vaccine produces. I personally would avoid it unless it was the only choice, as in her case.
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4 minutes ago, 10baht said:For me, the most important statistic here is the 7 new deaths. R.I.P The sad reality of consistently finding more and more Covid infections every day.
How wrong can you be, with 7 ++ deaths EVERYDAY on the roadways why are they so fixated on 117 over more than a year form CV-19, especially with no real vaccine efforts. Something seem off kilter.
This is a common view when there is a successful campaign that kept numbers down with a lot of restrictions.
Think of it like the dutch boy with his finger stopping the water leaking through a dyke. It is only a trickle what was he worried about. Just let it flow and go and have some fun instead.
The UK variant is much more contagious so the difference now is a finger is not going to stop the flow the hole is already bigger than the boys arm and the mud is being washed out faster all the time.
Soon hospitals may get overrun and it will not only be covid deaths rising but others who would normally have been treated.
I was working in the mortuary at our local hospital (UK in full lockdown, early March I think). Normally they finish at 16:30 but they were at the time having to work until 19:00 with a constant stream of undertakers coming and going. Extra cold storage had been supplied to cope with the bodies. This really brought home how bad things were. 2 days ago I was working near there and did not see one undertaker during about 1 hour after 16:00.
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1 minute ago, bougnat said:
one death every 20 mn on motorcycle. There is still room before we panic...
I think this is what many people in the UK and USA were saying but comparing it to flue instead. This is the start, just look at the UK figures when the 2nd wave took off with the same UK variant even with a lockdown. Thailand needs to have a severe lockdown now until vaccine rollout is well underway. Don't go by the recorded infections - look at the daily death rate and multiply that by 1000 to give you an idea of how bad it was 2 weeks ago. Then looking at the rate it increased daily over the last 7 days you will realize how much worse it is now. Then you have to factor in - are they reporting every death caused by covid?
"There is still room before we panic..." - Panic won't help but it is too late to be complacent as it will take real effort to slow it down now but those in charge are immune so don't care now.
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10 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:that's not true. They've tested upwards of 10,000 a day at times. Like the last wave from the seafood factories.
Cult members are blind to real facts. At least he was not advocating injecting bleach as a cure.
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If vaccines are this good for the weakest, eldest and otherwise most vulnerable then they are amazingly effective. Much better than the trials predicted. Just hope there are no long term, as yet unknown, side effects but I think we would see some signs of them by now.
An almost insignificant number of blood clots, which may have been caused by covid (which is known to cause clots), are no reason to stop the vaccine rollout. I wonder how many people the likes of Macron and Merkel etc. have killed with their stupid comments and vaccine restrictions.
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Yesterday the BBC were reporting some UK statistics that are mind blowing. I am doing this from memory so may be a out on the numbers. These numbers are mostly referring to the most vulnerable people who were first in line for the vaccine.
Research shows vaccines are working well at preventing hospital admissions in UK
"Further encouraging results have emerged on the effectiveness of the coronavirus vaccines used in the UK. Only 32 people have been admitted to hospital with covid-19 more than three weeks after receiving at least one dose of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Oxford/AstraZeneca jabs, a study has found.
The research, which looked at more than 74,000 hospital admissions between September and early March, found that nearly 2000 of these people had received a covid-19 vaccine. But for the vast majority of these, the vaccine would not have had time to kick in, as the three weeks thought necessary for maximum immunity to develop had not elapsed."
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3 hours ago, Tech65 said:The most important number is '4' , shown in a little corner.
= +4 people died (over a population of 60.000.000).
108 is also a very important number, but it is the total, including also 2020, which means a 16 months period. Divided by 16 it seems another tiny little number.
Let's be scared by the cases then. However, what is a case after all?
I am just commenting the numbers.
Those numbers are low because of the restrictions and preventative measures taken. If nothing had been done it would have been a different story. The English strain currently ripping through Thailand is much more contagious than what Thais are used to. Without a severe lockdown, it will only be stopped by vaccines. This is only the beginning and rough times are ahead especially when hospitals become overloaded. Track and trace will soon not work.
The wifes parents are now shielding for the first time.
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54 minutes ago, bermondburi said:
Oh, I have no doubts about herd immunity being real. But I wouldn't make it my exit strategy for the virus without vaccination.
Exactly.
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1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:As expected utter tosh. Filled with mays and maybes and no relevant figures to back anything up.
The worst thing is that some people will take it as proof they should not get their children vaccinated thus herd immunity is weakened and outbreaks are far more serious. And as they have not shown any figures they will never take responsibility for the deaths and suffering they cause eg. MMR vaccine scare.
All medications carry a risk even drinking too much water can kill you. It would be impossible to warn of every possible outcome so only the relevant side effects are listed.
Just ask yourself "Why would any health care system, such as the NHS, give vaccines that they thought could be more dangerous than what they are given for?".
By all means look at this sites articles but understand that they have an agenda and are not telling the whole story. Don't get sucked into the cult. Statistics can say whatever you want them to if you choose the right way to show them. Just because 2 things happen together doesn't mean one caused the other.
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Exam results in UK universities were correlated against how much wine the students drank.
It was found those who drunk the most wine had the best grades.
So should I start giving my 6 year old wine with his evening meal?
Sorry for all the "real"s in my last post, too keen to read this article to proof read.
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12 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:
Actually I just read the article and was totally gobsmacked, if you haven't read it, I would suggest you do as it says face masks are dangerous to the wearer, and that is the NIH stating it.
I couldn't believe what I was reading, but when I saw it was from NIH, I said it has to be credible.
I only skimmed through but soon came to the conclusion it was mostly truths and half truths twisted to give the wrong conclusions.
It was not from the NIH just look at the reference list - 67 of them so credibility is suspect.
Masks especially the thin blue ones don't stop you getting covid19 and it has never been claimed they do - by anyone clued up. They are worn to reduce (not stop) the transmission of covid19 by reducing the droplets coming out of your mouth, especially when talking or coughing, from spreading. This reduces transmission by about 30% according to the last figures I saw.
The article also goes on about breathing problems - absolutely not a problem for all but those with severe breathing problems. Funny how some cannot walk from the restaurant front door to a table wearing a mask but are quite happy to sit around people when they should obviously be shielding at home if they are that ill.
Masks are for other people's benefit not yours so selfish people will use any excuse to not wear them hence this biased article.
One real problem I didn't see mentioned that is real is glasses or in my case safety glasses get steamed up making it hard to see where you are going or what you are doing (it is still cold in the UK). This is a real danger.
I will now look at the article you linked to from the same source and expect much of the same bias.
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7 minutes ago, bermondburi said:
Herd immunity?! Hmmmm.
That's where you lost any credibility....????
Herd immunity is real but will you survive until/if it is ever achieved?
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19 minutes ago, Johnnyb2good said:
Hi guys! Wanted to put the FINAL nail in your hoax coffin.
The coffin that has “sociopathologized” virtually everyone in this group, the ones who can’t wait for a deadly “vax,” the ones who have locked themselves away in mortal fear for over a year, the ones who staunchly and religiously wear their ridiculous face-panties even when driving alone and admonish those who don’t...it’s all a lie.
All of it.
Should you have even ONE shred of intelligence and intellectual curiosity left in your brain...read and download your beloved science from the NIH. Do so now as they’re deleting it and people across all platforms desperate to hide the truth.
It’s over.
There's no hope for some people once they join the cult.
"It’s over" - if only that was true. Unfortunately for Thailand it is just about to take off.
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No to nightlife, yes to vaccinations: can Thailand’s Pattaya rebrand and reopen?
in Pattaya News
Pure gold, there has to be a good reply to it but I can't think of it yet.