chang1

22 hours ago, Upnotover said:

You might want to research that reply a little.

Apparently it was 14 here is my reply to chipbutty who corrected me -

"I read it was about 22 which was all that were on the plane but can't remember where I  saw that. Thanks for the correction"

22 hours ago, ChipButty said:

Only 14 got quarantined not everybody on the plane

I read it was about 22 which was all that were on the plane but can't remember where I  saw that. Thanks for the correction

22 hours ago, Millcx said:

23 hours ago, chang1 said:

We are flying to Phuket this week. The transfer and testing will cost more than the hotel. 

WHY???

I presume you mean why are we going - my wife is Thai.

17 minutes ago, BusyB said:

I wonder how many of them 'brought infections into the country' ...

I heard 1 did causing everyone on the plane to be isolated. 

19 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Yes, the UK is ahead in medical terms but way behind in how they dealt with this pandemic.

You are ignoring that the pandemic didn't spread the same in warm countries as it did in cooler countries. Also people in the UK are much more sealed in within buildings so air is much more recirculated. Thai buildings have much more fresh air unless air conditioned. 

The Indian strain had evolved to spread in warm climates so now you will get a better comparison to what the UK, US, Italy etc. first had to deal with before vaccines. Also much more is known now about prevention and treatment. 

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

21 minutes ago, Kwaibill said:

3,502 REPORTED deaths, to date.

Even a number of Thai doctors have said that is much lower than the real number.

Even if it were 10x that it would be less than 25% of the UK's deaths

Most of them caused by the much less transmissible Wuhan strain and with lockdowns in place. A stark warning as to what is on the way if vaccines are not procured soon or other measures introduced. 

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

The other theory being ........

Most of the Brits likely to die of COVID have already died.

Spread by utter muppets. Most of the population is vaccinated so now it is the ones who don't want to get vaccinated or those that cannot be helped by the vaccines that are dying. 

Anyone who thinks the death rate has not greatly reduced due the massive vaccination programme is beyond stupid or living in an anti vax bubble. 

4 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

And how are the other vaccines any better....Stats from the UK are not giving a much better outlook for the other vaccines!!

These stats are either fake, misleading or very worrying. They go against what we are being told in the UK. 

Twice as many fully vaccinated dying compared to single dose. Can you provide the source please?

8 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

Not sure how much this is happening in Bangkok but 2 of my wife's friends have been diagnosed with covid in Bangkok, asked to go to their home province and told ok but go straight to your local hospital there.

I should add that this is exactly what they did and seem to be getting excellent care.

Seems a good way to infect others. Did they actually need any care?

3 hours ago, Millcx said:

No mention of Black Dives Matter with a cheating ballerina untouched or lazer in the eyes of Danish Goalkeeper .. No I didn’t think so … Let them show class by booing other countries national anthems .. Yep shows the class

Edited 2 hours ago by Millcx

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Penultimately, I would like to wish all Italians the best of luck for the match tonight (2 am Thai time Monday morning) and ask that the England fans remain quiet for their national anthem and put their laser pointers away

16 hours ago, internationalism said:

in march was already known from an India experience, that AZ don't work that well

What experience was that? In the UK it has been a fantastic success - way more effective than the trials suggested even on the Indian (delta) variant.

6 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Wouldn't argue with that.....other than to reinforce the fact that to extend some 'minor' infringements on liberties, like masks on public transport, might have remained a powerful mitigating factor.

BoJo said they are likely to remain in such places.

52 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

vaccines  alone are not going to completely prevent it from spreading like we were first made to believe.

This is a problem  - people are told one thing and believe something different.  No-one with an once of common sense would say "completely". Reduce is as good as it will ever get. Same as they won't completely stop you getting, transmitting or even dying from covid. They may, however, reduce those happening and allow us to return to a normal life albeit with a few restrictions. 

14 hours ago, connda said:

Those who don't get shots are virus mutation factories.

Here: 10 stages of genocide as outlined by academic Gregory H. Stanton.  Stanton stated that the stages may not follow a linear progression and may occur concurrently.
Prevention can occur by interrupting the process at any stage.

 

We're at number 4:  Dehumanization: People equated to animals, vermin, or disease.  ^{<-- (you are here)}

Keep a close eye on this as Apartheid of those unvaccinated is being called for by members of governments and funneled to the general public by main-stream media world-wide.  Then read the 10 stages of genocide.  See where it can leads. If it's seen for what it is quickly enough, "it may be prevented."  Wake up and smell the coffee.  Very disturbing.

1. Classification:  Vaccinated / Unvaccinated
2. Symbolisation: Unvaccinated force to wear masks
3. Discrimination: Unvaccinated are targeted and refused essential goods and services.
4. Dehumanization:  The Unvaccinated are variant mutation factories (CNN says 'experts' say so, so it must be 100% true)
5. Organization:  Planning to implement apartheid of unvaccinated citizens
6. Polarization:  Implementing those plans.

Steps 7 through 10 are messy.  Just look at the results by remembering a little Khmer history just a few decades ago in our SE Asian neighbor. 
"But it's not the same!"
But it's never the same.  As a quote attributed to Mark Twain so aptly states, "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme."

"But the unvaccinated just need to get vaccinated!"
Yeah, past victims just needed to accept Communism (insert your own -ism), they just needed to accept (insert religion), they just need to accept (insert ideological viewpoint), they just needed to <insert some action>. All for "the better good of mankind", of course.
"Just do what we say to do and we won't oppress or kill you.  Promise!  Just submit."

IF allowed to continue this will not be any different this time around. Well, it will rhyme. Just saying.  Study history and "heads-up!"  This could get ugly.

"Unvaccinated force to wear masks" - Since when just the unvaccinated? Although they are usually the ones who refuse to wear masks. 

"3. Discrimination: Unvaccinated are targeted and refused essential goods and services" - Just keep them away from people especially close contact such as on planes.

4. Dehumanization:  The Unvaccinated are variant mutation factorie4. Dehumanization:  The Unvaccinated are variant mutation factories (CNN says 'experts' say so, so it must be 100% true) - Not just CNN, we are all mutation factories when infected but far more efficient when unvaccinated. 

5. Organization:  Planning to implement apartheid of unvaccinated citizens - If only that was possible. 

"Study history and "heads-up!"  This could get ugly." - Which bit of history shows being vaccinated is "ugly"? January in the UK was ugly, vaccines have saved thousands of lives and prevented a lot of long covid here and around the world. Ugly is what happens when people are refused access to vaccines. Ugly is a hospital at breaking point due to too many covid patients. Ugly is stupid politicians who think covid19 is no worse than flue. Ugly is places like Brazil with half a million grieving families. Ugly will be a new vaccine resistant strain. That's evened up the scare mongering. 

Personally I think anti vaxxers should just have their passports taken from them and then left alone. They know the risks. Like smokers - keep them away from me and let them risk their own lives. Shame they can't be taxed the same to cover the extra costs from hospitalizations. Just pity those who unfortunately have to live with them. 

On 6/28/2021 at 2:07 PM, Geordieabroad said:

Why is a "disease" that is 99.97% non fatal getting this much attention?

It's not like it's the Spanish flu or bubonic plague <deleted>

Try asking the families of the half a million who it has already killed in Brazil. It's more like 2% die not .03%. Then you have to take into account the strain on hospitals and those suffering with long covid. 

Open your eyes and look how devastating it really is.

34 minutes ago, dsj said:

How can you find the list of Countries that are allowed to enter Phuket under Sandbox?

As good as it gets and gets updated twice a month. 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/uploads/ckeditor2//files/ประเทศเสี่ยง รอบ 16 มิย 64.pdf

From this website 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/dcd/pagecontent.php?page=606&dept=dcd

21 minutes ago, pentagara said:

Proof of COVID-19 test showing that COVID-19 was not detected during the 14-night stay in Phuket with the document issued by an agency of the Ministry of Public Health

That alone could be a deal breaker for us "tourists". If we can't leave there is no point going. At least the hotel can be cancelled easily. 

2 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

They'll be skinned alive.

I doubt any will be green tourists. They will have a hard time getting much out of tight <deleted> cheap charlies like me. Just got to get to the hotel in one piece.

17 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

Like who in their right mind would even consider a holiday in Thailand under these conditions.

Well I just booked a hotel at Karon as the wife is desperate to see her parents, which I expect is the same for most who are going rather than just a holiday. They say they are ready but there are still so many unknowns.

Can we use any taxi service to get to the hotel from the airport?

Will I get a COE using my own travel insurance or do I need a Thai certificate of insurance covering covid?

Where do I get tested on arrival? and how much will it cost?

Will our proof of vaccination be accepted?

What happened to the tags? Not mentioned anymore.

Will our choice of flights actually be available if bookings are low?

After the 2 weeks will we actually be free to travel around Thailand for the full month we have left?

And of course the big one - will Thailand go on the UKs red list which would us cost thousands of pounds on our return?

As for the mafias, I will pay to go to and from the airport but hire a bike for all other on island travel. Otherwise they can be ignored.

On the plus side I am looking forward to seeing empty beaches. Hope the tar balls have been cleaned up! As much as I like going around the bars, that is not too important. Just hope there are some socialable  people in the hotel. 

As only the hotel is booked we can still back out at any time as that has not been paid for yet. 

54 minutes ago, chang1 said:

Depends on what you mean by work. 

Any fool can see they do work so why anyone would say they don't is hard to understand. They do bring down the infection rate which in turn saves lives. This is a fact. The problem is how good a lockdown can be imposed. China did it very well but would Thailand go to the same extremes? The Delta (Indian) variant is extremely contagious. It is getting out of control in the UK even with an effective vaccination programme. Luckily the vaccines are working and keeping most of us alive and out of hospitals. It's the young and unvaccinated who are dying now but at a much lower rate.

Until more people are vaccinated, lockdowns are the only option to give Thailand more time. Unfortunately a week is far too short to make much difference. Of course, if you think lockdowns are nonsense and lives are expendable, then Brazil shows us how bad it can get - .25% of the whole population dead and growing. Doesn't sound too bad until you realise that that is over half a million people but still not as bad as the US thanks to another leader who thought weak people are worthless. 

 

18 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

I guess it depends on your definition of "work"?

 

 

Lockdowns are like fire-breaks. They're meant to slow the progress of a fire, so that it is easier to fight.

 

Lockdowns require foresight, data and courage.

 

Lockdowns reduce the strain on the healthcare systems and its workers.

 

Lockdowns save lives.

 

With a new variant upon us, a seven day lockdown for Bangkok seems prudent.

 

Any idiot can claim something doesn't work. Just one of the definitions of an idiot I guess?

 

I think you can say we agree!